Hillary won more votes for President

CM189191 · December 2016

MeanMr.Mustard said:

Gern Blansten said:

JimmyV said:
The "basket of deplorables" line will live forever in our political lexicon. Right alongside Watergate, swiftboating, October Surprise and the 47 percent. Who talks that way about the electorate when they are trying to win votes? Clinton held white, male, Midwestern voters in contempt, just the same as Mitt Romney did the 47 percent. Both believed they were going to win the election. Neither one did.

The platform can certainly be tweaked, but the platform was not the problem. The candidate was the problem. I harp on this not because Hillary Clinton is some villain who deserves it. She isn't. I do it because the Democratic party decided on her long before a single primary vote was cast...and then she lost to Donald Trump! This didn't need to happen. We can't let it happen again.
to be clear....she was referring to racists and the like

The morons who labeled themselves "deplorables" for being Trump supporters were clearly following the right wing bullshit news.
maybe she should have made herself more clear when she used the phrase "basket of deplorables" it's really not any different than other words used by Trump or anybody else that get misconstrued and used against them, it just an opportunity for one side to attack another.
I'm surprised there aren't T shirts that have "angry white men" printed on them already LOL !!

Deplorable: JCPenney looking for two women targeted in shopper's racist tirade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdoMkoM2Zq0
Guessing she didn't vote for Hillary

mrussel1 · December 2016

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

mrussel1 said:

Free said:

eddiec said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:
Same old same old Democratic Party doesn't work anymore!
Crazy that they got away with it for that long. Considering the base, maybe not.
A lot of Democrats I know, and some are family members, are so out of touch with the common struggles of every day people because of their income status level, it is not funny. This elite mindframe of Democrats in general is not working. It doesn't work for the people of this country and now it doesn't work for Democrats. Because they lost the election. Time to learn the lesson and start over again.
That doesn't make sense. Democrats as a party support an increased minimum wage, health insurance for all, policies that strengthen workers rights, etc.

The GOP opposes those things. Who lost touch?
Jesus, like many Dems, you are very resistant to look at your party & just continue to look at Trump or Russia etc. The Dem party is out of touch. Trump appealed to more than Hillary did. (scary, but true) Trump was anti-establishment, Hillary represented more continued establishment. We saw how many millions of people following Sanders and Trump are anti-establishment.

There's no convincing someone who refuses to see things the way they are.
So if Bernie was on the ticket the Dem party suddenly wouldn't be out of touch?
Their policies would still be pretty much the same.

Not at all.
Do you know what Bernie Sanders policies are? They were too progressive as she and her supporters would say. Not enough support for climate change because she takes money from oil companies, free healthcare? Nope. Income inequality? Nope. Free college? Nope only reduced tuition was she pushing. I can go on…
They were also way too progressive to win in the midwest. I'm not sure how you convince a blue collar worker in Flint that he should pay for a middle class kid's college education. To me, that's the disconnect.
There's a way to do it since we're paying for everyone's education through the 12th grade and if their kids want a blue collar job, their trade school could be covered.
Of course there's a way... it's higher taxes. I'm personally an advocate for two things that I've brought up here several times: 1. Controlling the cost curve on public institutions. It is severely out of whack. And 2. Providing more public aid and assistance for STEM jobs training.

I'd be for that. But I'm an east coast liberal who left Cleveland because it had zero to offer me. I grew up literally right next to the Brook Park Ford motor plant, where they made the famous 351C. Half my friends went to work for GM and Ford. They are not lining up to pay more taxes, even for their own kids.
Our priorities are really fucked up. When government (local, state, federal) wants to cut costs it tends to hit education and social programs when it should really focus on cutting military spending and corporate welfare.

The money is there for a giant tax increase. If Trump can get by with saying we need to tax companies that leave the USA and import their products back in then the Dems should be able to propose a gross revenue tax so that these large companies can't hide their profits anymore. Hit them on revenue instead....if the revenue is generated in the USA then pay tax to the USA.
Boom goes the dynamite!! You are en fuego today!

Speculative stock transaction tax!!!

That's just a shitty euphemism for capital gains tax. If you want a higher cap gains, then call it that. But don't act like it's the "wall street casino" like some fucking commercial hawking gold.

mrussel1 · December 2016

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

mrussel1 said:

Free said:

eddiec said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:
Same old same old Democratic Party doesn't work anymore!
Crazy that they got away with it for that long. Considering the base, maybe not.
A lot of Democrats I know, and some are family members, are so out of touch with the common struggles of every day people because of their income status level, it is not funny. This elite mindframe of Democrats in general is not working. It doesn't work for the people of this country and now it doesn't work for Democrats. Because they lost the election. Time to learn the lesson and start over again.
That doesn't make sense. Democrats as a party support an increased minimum wage, health insurance for all, policies that strengthen workers rights, etc.

The GOP opposes those things. Who lost touch?
Jesus, like many Dems, you are very resistant to look at your party & just continue to look at Trump or Russia etc. The Dem party is out of touch. Trump appealed to more than Hillary did. (scary, but true) Trump was anti-establishment, Hillary represented more continued establishment. We saw how many millions of people following Sanders and Trump are anti-establishment.

There's no convincing someone who refuses to see things the way they are.
So if Bernie was on the ticket the Dem party suddenly wouldn't be out of touch?
Their policies would still be pretty much the same.

Not at all.
Do you know what Bernie Sanders policies are? They were too progressive as she and her supporters would say. Not enough support for climate change because she takes money from oil companies, free healthcare? Nope. Income inequality? Nope. Free college? Nope only reduced tuition was she pushing. I can go on…
They were also way too progressive to win in the midwest. I'm not sure how you convince a blue collar worker in Flint that he should pay for a middle class kid's college education. To me, that's the disconnect.
There's a way to do it since we're paying for everyone's education through the 12th grade and if their kids want a blue collar job, their trade school could be covered.
Of course there's a way... it's higher taxes. I'm personally an advocate for two things that I've brought up here several times: 1. Controlling the cost curve on public institutions. It is severely out of whack. And 2. Providing more public aid and assistance for STEM jobs training.

I'd be for that. But I'm an east coast liberal who left Cleveland because it had zero to offer me. I grew up literally right next to the Brook Park Ford motor plant, where they made the famous 351C. Half my friends went to work for GM and Ford. They are not lining up to pay more taxes, even for their own kids.
Our priorities are really fucked up. When government (local, state, federal) wants to cut costs it tends to hit education and social programs when it should really focus on cutting military spending and corporate welfare.

The money is there for a giant tax increase. If Trump can get by with saying we need to tax companies that leave the USA and import their products back in then the Dems should be able to propose a gross revenue tax so that these large companies can't hide their profits anymore. Hit them on revenue instead....if the revenue is generated in the USA then pay tax to the USA.

I'm not disagreeing but you are getting into, what regulators like to call.. the least sophisticated consumer, or Low Information voters. Think about your argument from a branding perspective... Trump wants to re-patriot corp earnings to tax them. You want to tax consumers with more social welfare programs. Which choice would the lowFo voter choose?

Gern Blansten · December 2016

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

mrussel1 said:

Free said:

eddiec said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:
Same old same old Democratic Party doesn't work anymore!
Crazy that they got away with it for that long. Considering the base, maybe not.
A lot of Democrats I know, and some are family members, are so out of touch with the common struggles of every day people because of their income status level, it is not funny. This elite mindframe of Democrats in general is not working. It doesn't work for the people of this country and now it doesn't work for Democrats. Because they lost the election. Time to learn the lesson and start over again.
That doesn't make sense. Democrats as a party support an increased minimum wage, health insurance for all, policies that strengthen workers rights, etc.

The GOP opposes those things. Who lost touch?
Jesus, like many Dems, you are very resistant to look at your party & just continue to look at Trump or Russia etc. The Dem party is out of touch. Trump appealed to more than Hillary did. (scary, but true) Trump was anti-establishment, Hillary represented more continued establishment. We saw how many millions of people following Sanders and Trump are anti-establishment.

There's no convincing someone who refuses to see things the way they are.
So if Bernie was on the ticket the Dem party suddenly wouldn't be out of touch?
Their policies would still be pretty much the same.

Not at all.
Do you know what Bernie Sanders policies are? They were too progressive as she and her supporters would say. Not enough support for climate change because she takes money from oil companies, free healthcare? Nope. Income inequality? Nope. Free college? Nope only reduced tuition was she pushing. I can go on…
They were also way too progressive to win in the midwest. I'm not sure how you convince a blue collar worker in Flint that he should pay for a middle class kid's college education. To me, that's the disconnect.
There's a way to do it since we're paying for everyone's education through the 12th grade and if their kids want a blue collar job, their trade school could be covered.
Of course there's a way... it's higher taxes. I'm personally an advocate for two things that I've brought up here several times: 1. Controlling the cost curve on public institutions. It is severely out of whack. And 2. Providing more public aid and assistance for STEM jobs training.

I'd be for that. But I'm an east coast liberal who left Cleveland because it had zero to offer me. I grew up literally right next to the Brook Park Ford motor plant, where they made the famous 351C. Half my friends went to work for GM and Ford. They are not lining up to pay more taxes, even for their own kids.
Our priorities are really fucked up. When government (local, state, federal) wants to cut costs it tends to hit education and social programs when it should really focus on cutting military spending and corporate welfare.

The money is there for a giant tax increase. If Trump can get by with saying we need to tax companies that leave the USA and import their products back in then the Dems should be able to propose a gross revenue tax so that these large companies can't hide their profits anymore. Hit them on revenue instead....if the revenue is generated in the USA then pay tax to the USA.
I'm not disagreeing but you are getting into, what regulators like to call.. the least sophisticated consumer, or Low Information voters. Think about your argument from a branding perspective... Trump wants to re-patriot corp earnings to tax them. You want to tax consumers with more social welfare programs. Which choice would the lowFo voter choose?

Actually I want to tax the consumers that aren't consuming....the rich. Their taxes could double and they will still be rich and their spending won't change because they are rich.

mrussel1 · December 2016

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

mrussel1 said:

Free said:

eddiec said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:
Same old same old Democratic Party doesn't work anymore!
Crazy that they got away with it for that long. Considering the base, maybe not.
A lot of Democrats I know, and some are family members, are so out of touch with the common struggles of every day people because of their income status level, it is not funny. This elite mindframe of Democrats in general is not working. It doesn't work for the people of this country and now it doesn't work for Democrats. Because they lost the election. Time to learn the lesson and start over again.
That doesn't make sense. Democrats as a party support an increased minimum wage, health insurance for all, policies that strengthen workers rights, etc.

The GOP opposes those things. Who lost touch?
Jesus, like many Dems, you are very resistant to look at your party & just continue to look at Trump or Russia etc. The Dem party is out of touch. Trump appealed to more than Hillary did. (scary, but true) Trump was anti-establishment, Hillary represented more continued establishment. We saw how many millions of people following Sanders and Trump are anti-establishment.

There's no convincing someone who refuses to see things the way they are.
So if Bernie was on the ticket the Dem party suddenly wouldn't be out of touch?
Their policies would still be pretty much the same.

Not at all.
Do you know what Bernie Sanders policies are? They were too progressive as she and her supporters would say. Not enough support for climate change because she takes money from oil companies, free healthcare? Nope. Income inequality? Nope. Free college? Nope only reduced tuition was she pushing. I can go on…
They were also way too progressive to win in the midwest. I'm not sure how you convince a blue collar worker in Flint that he should pay for a middle class kid's college education. To me, that's the disconnect.
There's a way to do it since we're paying for everyone's education through the 12th grade and if their kids want a blue collar job, their trade school could be covered.
Of course there's a way... it's higher taxes. I'm personally an advocate for two things that I've brought up here several times: 1. Controlling the cost curve on public institutions. It is severely out of whack. And 2. Providing more public aid and assistance for STEM jobs training.

I'd be for that. But I'm an east coast liberal who left Cleveland because it had zero to offer me. I grew up literally right next to the Brook Park Ford motor plant, where they made the famous 351C. Half my friends went to work for GM and Ford. They are not lining up to pay more taxes, even for their own kids.
Our priorities are really fucked up. When government (local, state, federal) wants to cut costs it tends to hit education and social programs when it should really focus on cutting military spending and corporate welfare.

The money is there for a giant tax increase. If Trump can get by with saying we need to tax companies that leave the USA and import their products back in then the Dems should be able to propose a gross revenue tax so that these large companies can't hide their profits anymore. Hit them on revenue instead....if the revenue is generated in the USA then pay tax to the USA.
I'm not disagreeing but you are getting into, what regulators like to call.. the least sophisticated consumer, or Low Information voters. Think about your argument from a branding perspective... Trump wants to re-patriot corp earnings to tax them. You want to tax consumers with more social welfare programs. Which choice would the lowFo voter choose?
Actually I want to tax the consumers that aren't consuming....the rich. Their taxes could double and they will still be rich and their spending won't change because they are rich.

Dividends, cap gains, estate..I'm all for them. And your point about consuming is why I'm definitely against a flat tax. People do not realize what a fundamental change that would be. But it takes two seconds to convince them otherwise... just tell them 29% on everything you buy or earn and elimination of the mortgage interest deduction. Done and done.

Gern Blansten · December 2016

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

mrussel1 said:

Free said:

eddiec said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:
Same old same old Democratic Party doesn't work anymore!
Crazy that they got away with it for that long. Considering the base, maybe not.
A lot of Democrats I know, and some are family members, are so out of touch with the common struggles of every day people because of their income status level, it is not funny. This elite mindframe of Democrats in general is not working. It doesn't work for the people of this country and now it doesn't work for Democrats. Because they lost the election. Time to learn the lesson and start over again.
That doesn't make sense. Democrats as a party support an increased minimum wage, health insurance for all, policies that strengthen workers rights, etc.

The GOP opposes those things. Who lost touch?
Jesus, like many Dems, you are very resistant to look at your party & just continue to look at Trump or Russia etc. The Dem party is out of touch. Trump appealed to more than Hillary did. (scary, but true) Trump was anti-establishment, Hillary represented more continued establishment. We saw how many millions of people following Sanders and Trump are anti-establishment.

There's no convincing someone who refuses to see things the way they are.
So if Bernie was on the ticket the Dem party suddenly wouldn't be out of touch?
Their policies would still be pretty much the same.

Not at all.
Do you know what Bernie Sanders policies are? They were too progressive as she and her supporters would say. Not enough support for climate change because she takes money from oil companies, free healthcare? Nope. Income inequality? Nope. Free college? Nope only reduced tuition was she pushing. I can go on…
They were also way too progressive to win in the midwest. I'm not sure how you convince a blue collar worker in Flint that he should pay for a middle class kid's college education. To me, that's the disconnect.
There's a way to do it since we're paying for everyone's education through the 12th grade and if their kids want a blue collar job, their trade school could be covered.
Of course there's a way... it's higher taxes. I'm personally an advocate for two things that I've brought up here several times: 1. Controlling the cost curve on public institutions. It is severely out of whack. And 2. Providing more public aid and assistance for STEM jobs training.

I'd be for that. But I'm an east coast liberal who left Cleveland because it had zero to offer me. I grew up literally right next to the Brook Park Ford motor plant, where they made the famous 351C. Half my friends went to work for GM and Ford. They are not lining up to pay more taxes, even for their own kids.
Our priorities are really fucked up. When government (local, state, federal) wants to cut costs it tends to hit education and social programs when it should really focus on cutting military spending and corporate welfare.

The money is there for a giant tax increase. If Trump can get by with saying we need to tax companies that leave the USA and import their products back in then the Dems should be able to propose a gross revenue tax so that these large companies can't hide their profits anymore. Hit them on revenue instead....if the revenue is generated in the USA then pay tax to the USA.
I'm not disagreeing but you are getting into, what regulators like to call.. the least sophisticated consumer, or Low Information voters. Think about your argument from a branding perspective... Trump wants to re-patriot corp earnings to tax them. You want to tax consumers with more social welfare programs. Which choice would the lowFo voter choose?
Actually I want to tax the consumers that aren't consuming....the rich. Their taxes could double and they will still be rich and their spending won't change because they are rich.
Dividends, cap gains, estate..I'm all for them. And your point about consuming is why I'm definitely against a flat tax. People do not realize what a fundamental change that would be. But it takes two seconds to convince them otherwise... just tell them 29% on everything you buy or earn and elimination of the mortgage interest deduction. Done and done.

Agreed....which is why those fuckers want a national sales tax or "Fair Tax"....fucking bullshit.

what dreams · December 2016

Free said:

what dreams said:

Free said:

what dreams said:
There is not much of an establishment left at the DNC. If the progressives have the widespread support they claim they have, the DNC ought to hire him. That has not been decided yet, so I'm not sure why it's a point. I have not heard Obama or Clinton make one claim about any of it, so I'm interested in seeing that writer's source about their endorsements. Of course, Obama's Labor Secretary is also a candidate. I'm not sure why he wouldn't support his own Labor Secretary. Either way, it's not really a sitting president's job to choose sides in political squabbles, in my view. I'd rather Obama stay silent, and Hillary, too. People want them to go away, and they are. Now people want them back. Doesn't make sense to me.
Someone needs to take ownership and lead. The current leaders are not doing anything like you said. Then get out-of-the-way! Find someone who actually make decent change like Sanders, and establishment dams need to step aside from their anti-progressive values.
I belong to every Democratic Party list there is. None of the information I receive says anything about the Clintons. The people who are talking about the Clintons are themselves and the people who don't like them. The rest of us are moving on, which is a good thing. Everyone agrees that's a good thing. We don't agree that we have moved away from our progressive values. Unfortunately that's a meme from the left that is just not true. Sanders won the platform, and we fought for the platform. The people who stayed home didn't.
No, you're not moving on. You have moved away from your progressive values. There has been nothing done by the Democratic Party except pointing fingers at somewhere else. Even SNL has brought it into their skits! Enough with the wallowing in lead for god sakes. Who is leading exactly? Where is Nina turner? Are the establishment Dems gonna block her like they did at the convention?

Saturday Night Live? You are citing Saturday Night Live as evidence for whatever argument you are making?

JC29856 · December 2016

4 year learning curve for the democratic intelligencia!

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/poll-democrats-independents-no-hillary-clinton-2020-232898

The two people they would most like to see are two of the most prominent Democratic-aligned politicians unlikely to seek the White House in 2020: Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Vice President Joe Biden. Forty-four percent and 43 percent of those voters, respectively, said they would be excited to see Sanders and Biden run.

Degeneratefk · December 2016

He lost by almost 3 million votes. Imagine if all of the registered voters actually voted.

JC29856 · December 2016

Degeneratefk said:
He lost by almost 3 million votes. Imagine if all of the registered voters actually voted.

Half don't vote because they know the archaic system is broken.

oftenreading · December 2016

JC29856 said:
4 year learning curve for the democratic intelligencia!

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/poll-democrats-independents-no-hillary-clinton-2020-232898

The two people they would most like to see are two of the most prominent Democratic-aligned politicians unlikely to seek the White House in 2020: Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Vice President Joe Biden. Forty-four percent and 43 percent of those voters, respectively, said they would be excited to see Sanders and Biden run.

Though your point, if you have one, seems to be that the Dems are still looking to the past, in fact your link disproves that:

A majority of Democrats and independents would like to see a new name, though......66 percent would like to see “someone entirely new” become the Democratic Party’s standard-bearer

JC29856 · December 2016

oftenreading said:

JC29856 said:
4 year learning curve for the democratic intelligencia!

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/poll-democrats-independents-no-hillary-clinton-2020-232898

The two people they would most like to see are two of the most prominent Democratic-aligned politicians unlikely to seek the White House in 2020: Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Vice President Joe Biden. Forty-four percent and 43 percent of those voters, respectively, said they would be excited to see Sanders and Biden run.
Though your point, if you have one, seems to be that the Dems are still looking to the past, in fact your link disproves that:

A majority of Democrats and independents would like to see a new name, though......66 percent would like to see “someone entirely new” become the Democratic Party’s standard-bearer

4 year learning curve, actually it's more like 6 year learning curve if you count when Hilliary officially started her campaign.

Would you consider Hilliary somebody new? Or do you think those polled only most recently prefer somebody new, like over the past month or so?

Go Beavers · December 2016

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

Free said:

eddiec said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:
Same old same old Democratic Party doesn't work anymore!
Crazy that they got away with it for that long. Considering the base, maybe not.
A lot of Democrats I know, and some are family members, are so out of touch with the common struggles of every day people because of their income status level, it is not funny. This elite mindframe of Democrats in general is not working. It doesn't work for the people of this country and now it doesn't work for Democrats. Because they lost the election. Time to learn the lesson and start over again.
That doesn't make sense. Democrats as a party support an increased minimum wage, health insurance for all, policies that strengthen workers rights, etc.

The GOP opposes those things. Who lost touch?
Jesus, like many Dems, you are very resistant to look at your party & just continue to look at Trump or Russia etc. The Dem party is out of touch. Trump appealed to more than Hillary did. (scary, but true) Trump was anti-establishment, Hillary represented more continued establishment. We saw how many millions of people following Sanders and Trump are anti-establishment.

There's no convincing someone who refuses to see things the way they are.
So if Bernie was on the ticket the Dem party suddenly wouldn't be out of touch?
Their policies would still be pretty much the same.

Not at all.
Do you know what Bernie Sanders policies are? They were too progressive as she and her supporters would say. Not enough support for climate change because she takes money from oil companies, free healthcare? Nope. Income inequality? Nope. Free college? Nope only reduced tuition was she pushing. I can go on…
They were also way too progressive to win in the midwest. I'm not sure how you convince a blue collar worker in Flint that he should pay for a middle class kid's college education. To me, that's the disconnect.
Tell them it's part of military defense spending...DONE! Not to mention the cost is peanuts compared to defense budget, it will get lost in the walnut sauce.

"Defeat ISIS with free tuition"

JC29856 said:

Degeneratefk said:
He lost by almost 3 million votes. Imagine if all of the registered voters actually voted.
Half don't vote because they know the archaic system is broken.

What's that theory based on?

CM189191 · December 2016

JC29856 said:

Degeneratefk said:
He lost by almost 3 million votes. Imagine if all of the registered voters actually voted.
Half don't vote because they know the archaic system is broken.

Tell me about it! We need to re-institute the Civil rights Voting Act in it's entirity. Get rid of all voter restrictions like voter ID laws. Make Election Day a National Holiday, and make early voting available for all voters. That would be a start.

JC29856 · December 2016

CM189191 said:

JC29856 said:

Degeneratefk said:
He lost by almost 3 million votes. Imagine if all of the registered voters actually voted.
Half don't vote because they know the archaic system is broken.
Tell me about it! We need to re-institute the Civil rights Voting Act in it's entirity. Get rid of all voter restrictions like voter ID laws. Make Election Day a National Holiday, and make early voting available for all voters. That would be a start.

I'm for it. I recall voter id thread where it was the opinion of those that posted, there be some sort of verification.

JC29856 · December 2016

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

Free said:

eddiec said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:
Same old same old Democratic Party doesn't work anymore!
Crazy that they got away with it for that long. Considering the base, maybe not.
A lot of Democrats I know, and some are family members, are so out of touch with the common struggles of every day people because of their income status level, it is not funny. This elite mindframe of Democrats in general is not working. It doesn't work for the people of this country and now it doesn't work for Democrats. Because they lost the election. Time to learn the lesson and start over again.
That doesn't make sense. Democrats as a party support an increased minimum wage, health insurance for all, policies that strengthen workers rights, etc.

The GOP opposes those things. Who lost touch?
Jesus, like many Dems, you are very resistant to look at your party & just continue to look at Trump or Russia etc. The Dem party is out of touch. Trump appealed to more than Hillary did. (scary, but true) Trump was anti-establishment, Hillary represented more continued establishment. We saw how many millions of people following Sanders and Trump are anti-establishment.

There's no convincing someone who refuses to see things the way they are.
So if Bernie was on the ticket the Dem party suddenly wouldn't be out of touch?
Their policies would still be pretty much the same.

Not at all.
Do you know what Bernie Sanders policies are? They were too progressive as she and her supporters would say. Not enough support for climate change because she takes money from oil companies, free healthcare? Nope. Income inequality? Nope. Free college? Nope only reduced tuition was she pushing. I can go on…
They were also way too progressive to win in the midwest. I'm not sure how you convince a blue collar worker in Flint that he should pay for a middle class kid's college education. To me, that's the disconnect.
Tell them it's part of military defense spending...DONE! Not to mention the cost is peanuts compared to defense budget, it will get lost in the walnut sauce.
"Defeat ISIS with free tuition"
JC29856 said:

Degeneratefk said:
He lost by almost 3 million votes. Imagine if all of the registered voters actually voted.
Half don't vote because they know the archaic system is broken.
What's that theory based on?

Based on this...don't need to trust all these rusted rails, we don't want no change we already had.

CM189191 · December 2016

JC29856 said:

CM189191 said:

JC29856 said:

Degeneratefk said:
He lost by almost 3 million votes. Imagine if all of the registered voters actually voted.
Half don't vote because they know the archaic system is broken.
Tell me about it! We need to re-institute the Civil rights Voting Act in it's entirity. Get rid of all voter restrictions like voter ID laws. Make Election Day a National Holiday, and make early voting available for all voters. That would be a start.
I'm for it. I recall voter id thread where it was the opinion of those that posted, there be some sort of verification.

Oh, and stop voter caging. And stop purging voters without 100% transparency. I forgot those.

Also add in Automatic Registration, Permanent Registration & Same Day Registration / Election Day Correction

JC29856 · December 2016

CM189191 said:

JC29856 said:

CM189191 said:

JC29856 said:

Degeneratefk said:
He lost by almost 3 million votes. Imagine if all of the registered voters actually voted.
Half don't vote because they know the archaic system is broken.
Tell me about it! We need to re-institute the Civil rights Voting Act in it's entirity. Get rid of all voter restrictions like voter ID laws. Make Election Day a National Holiday, and make early voting available for all voters. That would be a start.
I'm for it. I recall voter id thread where it was the opinion of those that posted, there be some sort of verification.
Oh, and stop voter caging. And stop purging voters without 100% transparency. I forgot those.

Also add in Automatic Registration, Permanent Registration & Same Day Registration / Election Day Correction

I don't remember you weighing in on the topic.

CM189191 · December 2016

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Degeneratefk said:
He lost by almost 3 million votes. Imagine if all of the registered voters actually voted.
Half don't vote because they know the archaic system is broken.
Tell me about it! We need to re-institute the Civil rights Voting Act in it's entirity. Get rid of all voter restrictions like voter ID laws. Make Election Day a National Holiday, and make early voting available for all voters. That would be a start.
I'm for it. I recall voter id thread where it was the opinion of those that posted, there be some sort of verification.
Oh, and stop voter caging. And stop purging voters without 100% transparency. I forgot those.

Also add in Automatic Registration, Permanent Registration & Same Day Registration / Election Day Correction
I don't remember you weighing in on the topic.

me either....how so? what topic? when?

JimmyV · December 2016

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Hillary won more votes for President

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