President Elect Trump

JimmyV said:

Whatever the Democrats and the DNC did or didn't do to Bernie Sanders has nothing to do with whether or not the Russians involved themselves in our election.

No, it sure doesn't.

JimmyV said:

It is quite telling that despite the shitty way Bernie was treated by DNC he still chose to work his ass off to defeat Donald Trump. He didn't see the election as choice between two equally bad choices. Far from it.

Yep...I admit that I was surprised at how stupid the dems were. The Bernie or Bust crowd really fucked things up.

Gern Blansten said:

JimmyV said:

It is quite telling that despite the shitty way Bernie was treated by DNC he still chose to work his ass off to defeat Donald Trump. He didn't see the election as choice between two equally bad choices. Far from it.

Yep...I admit that I was surprised at how stupid the dems were. The Bernie or Bust crowd really fucked things up.

They played a role in fucking things up for sure. They weren't alone in that though.

mace1229 said:

Free said:

mace1229 said:

It appears beyond supposed rigging to me. The whole superdelegate thing is designed so they can elect whoever they want. Bernie had enough votes where he could have won if they voted for him instead of her. Essentially they got the deciding vote. The DNC even announced a public apology to Bernie after the leaked emails disclosing their biased tactics. Members of the DNC were involved with releasing debate questions as well. It is well beyond "supposed rigging."

That's right. If people want to excuse the DNC for questionable behavior, that's on them. The fact is, The leaked emails and the Podesta emails just showed exactly how corrupt the party is. Some here, may think that's legal along with biased journalists, and journalists releasing questions prior to debates in interviews ( is this even legal?) Shady shit right there, pulling fast ones on the public, the voters, the ELECTION. Everyone pointing fingers at Russia need to point fingers at who exactly corrupted this election. It was the DNC and Trump. Looking at Russia for our troubles and our problems is just us pretending there's nothing wrong with our leaders and biased media.

Sure an investigation should happen but the focus should strictly be on Trump and not the DNC like they're making it out to be.

I can't see how it would be considered illegal to leak questions. Definitely immoral and journalists have lost careers over less.

Well what I'm thinking is that it has nothing to do with the DNC. A reporter chose to pass that info along. The DNC didn't even ask for her to do that. So that is definitely not cheating on the part of the Clinton campaign (not sure why people care about that so much anyway - weren't the questions just super vague ones about super basic issues anyhow? I remember thinking that anyone would have assumed those questions would be asked at any one of those debates anyhow. It had no impact AND it was simply bad behaviour on the part of a journalist, and I agree that woman should have been fired for that).

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

Free said:

mace1229 said:

It appears beyond supposed rigging to me. The whole superdelegate thing is designed so they can elect whoever they want. Bernie had enough votes where he could have won if they voted for him instead of her. Essentially they got the deciding vote. The DNC even announced a public apology to Bernie after the leaked emails disclosing their biased tactics. Members of the DNC were involved with releasing debate questions as well. It is well beyond "supposed rigging."

That's right. If people want to excuse the DNC for questionable behavior, that's on them. The fact is, The leaked emails and the Podesta emails just showed exactly how corrupt the party is. Some here, may think that's legal along with biased journalists, and journalists releasing questions prior to debates in interviews ( is this even legal?) Shady shit right there, pulling fast ones on the public, the voters, the ELECTION. Everyone pointing fingers at Russia need to point fingers at who exactly corrupted this election. It was the DNC and Trump. Looking at Russia for our troubles and our problems is just us pretending there's nothing wrong with our leaders and biased media.

Sure an investigation should happen but the focus should strictly be on Trump and not the DNC like they're making it out to be.

I can't see how it would be considered illegal to leak questions. Definitely immoral and journalists have lost careers over less.

Well what I'm thinking is that it has nothing to do with the DNC. A reporter chose to pass that info along. The DNC didn't even ask for her to do that. So that is definitely not cheating on the part of the Clinton campaign (not sure why people care about that so much anyway - weren't the questions just super vague ones about super basic issues anyhow? I remember thinking that anyone would have assumed those questions would be asked at any one of those debates anyhow. It had no impact AND it was simply bad behaviour on the part of a journalist, and I agree that woman should have been fired for that).

Of course it is on the Clinton campaign, she chose to go along with it. She could have refused the leaks, she chose to accept them and use them to her advantage.
She chose to stage fake interviews. Again, not illegal, but completely dishonest. And I think members of the DNC and her campaign were aware of some of the situations. Didn't she leak the questions to Clinton through the DNC, or at least her campaign?

And it matters because it shows the extent of the media bias. It has been denied, but that is about as bias as you can get. And people are getting their panties in a bunch over leaked emails probably from Russia that did nothing but expose the truth, but don't even care about the dishonesty going on right here.

Don't get me wrong, I think steps should be taking to prevent Russia from hacking emails and leaking them. But the dishonesty and manipulation going on here at home seems like a bigger deal to me.

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mace1229 said:

Superdelegates aren't cheating, as they get to write their own rule book and they wrote it. Just seems really dumb. At least the electoral college, although not completely obligated to vote for anyone, would be completely unheard for more than 1 or 2 to not vote according to the vote. They (in theory) represent the voter. Superdelegates represent no one.
They have a system designed that as long as the race is within about 10-15%, they can chose the winner of the election.
Faking interviews and staging debates could be seen as "cheating," especially if the committee is aware of it.

So Bafoon was praising the FBI for the take down of HC and now the CIA is not to be trusted lol on its findings !

josevolution said:

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mace1229 said:

Superdelegates aren't cheating, as they get to write their own rule book and they wrote it. Just seems really dumb. At least the electoral college, although not completely obligated to vote for anyone, would be completely unheard for more than 1 or 2 to not vote according to the vote. They (in theory) represent the voter. Superdelegates represent no one.
They have a system designed that as long as the race is within about 10-15%, they can chose the winner of the election.
Faking interviews and staging debates could be seen as "cheating," especially if the committee is aware of it.

So Bafoon was praising the FBI for the take down of HC and now the CIA is not to be trusted lol on its findings !

Was I quoted for a reason? Because this has absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about.

josevolution said:

Let's take bets on when Bafoon will hold a news conference remember he just cancelled one ...

A Hilary supporter is criticizing Trumps lack of a news conference? Lay off the pot.