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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited December 2016
    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    Kellyanne Conway: "We in the Trump presidency do not want foreign governments interfering in our elections. That's very clear. We don't want intelligence interfering in our politics. But we also certainly do not want what we have now, which is politics interfering in our intelligence."

    https://youtu.be/QmiG0JaiF9U


    And the Trump campaign's complete and total rejection of the possibility that this might have happened isn't politics interfering in our intelligence?
    What ever happened to these politics possibilities:
    Might...be might be a sexist racist misogynist
    Might...he might have sexually harassed women
    Might...he might have cheated in Wisconsin Pennsylvania Michigan
    You'll get no argument from that Hillary Clinton didn't run a misguided and cynical campaign, but that is a deflection. Trump himself claimed the election was rigged numerous times. Now that it has worked out in his favor he summarily rejects the possibility. Again...how is that not politics interfering in our intelligence?
    I think the Detroit rigging is still being investigated. Are you saying ballots on Detroit were not submitted and resubmitted 2 3 4 and 5 times? Or the action doesn't constitute rigging?

    I think his campaign made it clear that the suspicion of rigging was centered on illegals voting.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Whether right wrong or indifferent this was the reported findings of illegals voting his campaign kept spouting.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited December 2016
    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    Kellyanne Conway: "We in the Trump presidency do not want foreign governments interfering in our elections. That's very clear. We don't want intelligence interfering in our politics. But we also certainly do not want what we have now, which is politics interfering in our intelligence."

    https://youtu.be/QmiG0JaiF9U


    And the Trump campaign's complete and total rejection of the possibility that this might have happened isn't politics interfering in our intelligence?
    What ever happened to these politics possibilities:
    Might...be might be a sexist racist misogynist
    Might...he might have sexually harassed women
    Might...he might have cheated in Wisconsin Pennsylvania Michigan
    You'll get no argument from that Hillary Clinton didn't run a misguided and cynical campaign, but that is a deflection. Trump himself claimed the election was rigged numerous times. Now that it has worked out in his favor he summarily rejects the possibility. Again...how is that not politics interfering in our intelligence?
    To rig or not to rig?


    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/


    Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.

    Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    I also think he was referring to the superdelegates and how the race between Bernie and Hilary would have been much closer, the fact the DNC tried to push Hilary and helped her in more ways than they supported Bernie. The media giving Hilary debate questions ahead of time, "staging" interviews that weren't real. I think all that was lumped into the rigged system, and not necessarily that voter fraud was the only aspect of a rigged election.
    If I was Bernie or a Bernie supporter I would be pissed at some of those actions.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mace1229 said:

    I also think he was referring to the superdelegates and how the race between Bernie and Hilary would have been much closer, the fact the DNC tried to push Hilary and helped her in more ways than they supported Bernie. The media giving Hilary debate questions ahead of time, "staging" interviews that weren't real. I think all that was lumped into the rigged system, and not necessarily that voter fraud was the only aspect of a rigged election.
    If I was Bernie or a Bernie supporter I would be pissed at some of those actions.

    Intelligent points!
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617

  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    Again, Trump gleefully pointed to Super delegates and illegal immigrants voting as evidence of election rigging. Both notions were politically beneficial to him and his campaign. Potential Russian involvement in our election is not and is therefore summarily rejected by Trump. The hypocrisy is hard to ignore.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    edited December 2016
    JimmyV said:

    Again, Trump gleefully pointed to Super delegates and illegal immigrants voting as evidence of election rigging. Both notions were politically beneficial to him and his campaign. Potential Russian involvement in our election is not and is therefore summarily rejected by Trump. The hypocrisy is hard to ignore.

    Foreign influence is a problem, I would agree. But I think there is a big difference between players within the system trying to manipulate it with superdelegates, rigged debates and interviews, staging demostrations etc, and a foreign influence releasing information that can sway a voter.
    I would worry about fixing the problems within the system before I worry about someone else releasing emails.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,578
    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    Kellyanne Conway: "We in the Trump presidency do not want foreign governments interfering in our elections. That's very clear. We don't want intelligence interfering in our politics. But we also certainly do not want what we have now, which is politics interfering in our intelligence."

    https://youtu.be/QmiG0JaiF9U


    And the Trump campaign's complete and total rejection of the possibility that this might have happened isn't politics interfering in our intelligence?
    What ever happened to these politics possibilities:
    Might...be might be a sexist racist misogynist
    Might...he might have sexually harassed women
    Might...he might have cheated in Wisconsin Pennsylvania Michigan
    Your first two points were resolved a long time ago so no 'might' is needed.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    mace1229 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Again, Trump gleefully pointed to Super delegates and illegal immigrants voting as evidence of election rigging. Both notions were politically beneficial to him and his campaign. Potential Russian involvement in our election is not and is therefore summarily rejected by Trump. The hypocrisy is hard to ignore.

    Foreign influence is a problem, I would agree. But I think there is a big difference between players within the system trying to manipulate it with superdelegates, rigged debates and interviews, staging demostrations etc, and a foreign influence releasing information that can sway a voter.
    Sure, but I'm not even arguing what's worse or what happened or what didn't happen. Trump was completely willing to push claims of fraud when he believed it would help his cause. Now he is completely disregarding intelligence reports that say something he doesn't like.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JimmyV said:

    mace1229 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Again, Trump gleefully pointed to Super delegates and illegal immigrants voting as evidence of election rigging. Both notions were politically beneficial to him and his campaign. Potential Russian involvement in our election is not and is therefore summarily rejected by Trump. The hypocrisy is hard to ignore.

    Foreign influence is a problem, I would agree. But I think there is a big difference between players within the system trying to manipulate it with superdelegates, rigged debates and interviews, staging demostrations etc, and a foreign influence releasing information that can sway a voter.
    Sure, but I'm not even arguing what's worse or what happened or what didn't happen. Trump was completely willing to push claims of fraud when he believed it would help his cause. Now he is completely disregarding intelligence reports that say something he doesn't like.
    CIA only agency pushing Russia Russia Russia narrative.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    mace1229 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Again, Trump gleefully pointed to Super delegates and illegal immigrants voting as evidence of election rigging. Both notions were politically beneficial to him and his campaign. Potential Russian involvement in our election is not and is therefore summarily rejected by Trump. The hypocrisy is hard to ignore.

    Foreign influence is a problem, I would agree. But I think there is a big difference between players within the system trying to manipulate it with superdelegates, rigged debates and interviews, staging demostrations etc, and a foreign influence releasing information that can sway a voter.
    Sure, but I'm not even arguing what's worse or what happened or what didn't happen. Trump was completely willing to push claims of fraud when he believed it would help his cause. Now he is completely disregarding intelligence reports that say something he doesn't like.
    CIA only agency pushing Russia Russia Russia narrative.
    And Trump and the WikiLeaks crowd are ignoring them because it isn't convenient convenient convenient.
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    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    JC29856 said:


    Kanye could support Jill Stein for all I care. He's still a fish stick and hobbit loving douchebag.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    JimmyV said:

    mace1229 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Again, Trump gleefully pointed to Super delegates and illegal immigrants voting as evidence of election rigging. Both notions were politically beneficial to him and his campaign. Potential Russian involvement in our election is not and is therefore summarily rejected by Trump. The hypocrisy is hard to ignore.

    Foreign influence is a problem, I would agree. But I think there is a big difference between players within the system trying to manipulate it with superdelegates, rigged debates and interviews, staging demostrations etc, and a foreign influence releasing information that can sway a voter.
    Sure, but I'm not even arguing what's worse or what happened or what didn't happen. Trump was completely willing to push claims of fraud when he believed it would help his cause. Now he is completely disregarding intelligence reports that say something he doesn't like.
    And it was the other way around with the DNC thought they had the election, claiming voter fraud doesn't exist. Now they lost, and immediately filed claims for a recount.
    Both sides had a complete flip.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,315
    JC29856 said:


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    Party On, Dudes!
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    edited December 2016
    mace1229 said:

    JimmyV said:

    mace1229 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Again, Trump gleefully pointed to Super delegates and illegal immigrants voting as evidence of election rigging. Both notions were politically beneficial to him and his campaign. Potential Russian involvement in our election is not and is therefore summarily rejected by Trump. The hypocrisy is hard to ignore.

    Foreign influence is a problem, I would agree. But I think there is a big difference between players within the system trying to manipulate it with superdelegates, rigged debates and interviews, staging demostrations etc, and a foreign influence releasing information that can sway a voter.
    Sure, but I'm not even arguing what's worse or what happened or what didn't happen. Trump was completely willing to push claims of fraud when he believed it would help his cause. Now he is completely disregarding intelligence reports that say something he doesn't like.
    And it was the other way around with the DNC thought they had the election, claiming voter fraud doesn't exist. Now they lost, and immediately filed claims for a recount.
    Both sides had a complete flip.
    But the CIA isn't the DNC and Trump is going to be President of the United States. The next POTUS is dismissing the CIA because what they are saying doesn't help his cause. That should be cause for concern for both sides.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    Kellyanne Conway: "We in the Trump presidency do not want foreign governments interfering in our elections. That's very clear. We don't want intelligence interfering in our politics. But we also certainly do not want what we have now, which is politics interfering in our intelligence."

    https://youtu.be/QmiG0JaiF9U


    And the Trump campaign's complete and total rejection of the possibility that this might have happened isn't politics interfering in our intelligence?
    What ever happened to these politics possibilities:
    Might...be might be a sexist racist misogynist
    Might...he might have sexually harassed women
    Might...he might have cheated in Wisconsin Pennsylvania Michigan
    You'll get no argument from that Hillary Clinton didn't run a misguided and cynical campaign, but that is a deflection. Trump himself claimed the election was rigged numerous times. Now that it has worked out in his favor he summarily rejects the possibility. Again...how is that not politics interfering in our intelligence?
    I think the Detroit rigging is still being investigated. Are you saying ballots on Detroit were not submitted and resubmitted 2 3 4 and 5 times? Or the action doesn't constitute rigging?

    I think his campaign made it clear that the suspicion of rigging was centered on illegals voting.
    You're deflecting again. If there was a problem in Detroit it needs to be investigated. If there is evidence Russians hacked the election process it needs to be investigated. These are no brainers regardless of political party.

    I watched some of Trump's rigged speeches. Illegals were the rigged problem? No. He said the whole system was rigged and that he wouldn't accept the result.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    eddiec said:

    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    Kellyanne Conway: "We in the Trump presidency do not want foreign governments interfering in our elections. That's very clear. We don't want intelligence interfering in our politics. But we also certainly do not want what we have now, which is politics interfering in our intelligence."

    https://youtu.be/QmiG0JaiF9U


    And the Trump campaign's complete and total rejection of the possibility that this might have happened isn't politics interfering in our intelligence?
    What ever happened to these politics possibilities:
    Might...be might be a sexist racist misogynist
    Might...he might have sexually harassed women
    Might...he might have cheated in Wisconsin Pennsylvania Michigan
    You'll get no argument from that Hillary Clinton didn't run a misguided and cynical campaign, but that is a deflection. Trump himself claimed the election was rigged numerous times. Now that it has worked out in his favor he summarily rejects the possibility. Again...how is that not politics interfering in our intelligence?
    I think the Detroit rigging is still being investigated. Are you saying ballots on Detroit were not submitted and resubmitted 2 3 4 and 5 times? Or the action doesn't constitute rigging?

    I think his campaign made it clear that the suspicion of rigging was centered on illegals voting.
    You're deflecting again. If there was a problem in Detroit it needs to be investigated. If there is evidence Russians hacked the election process it needs to be investigated. These are no brainers regardless of political party.

    I watched some of Trump's rigged speeches. Illegals were the rigged problem? No. He said the whole system was rigged and that he wouldn't accept the result.
    Yes sir.


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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    JimmyV said:

    mace1229 said:

    JimmyV said:

    mace1229 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Again, Trump gleefully pointed to Super delegates and illegal immigrants voting as evidence of election rigging. Both notions were politically beneficial to him and his campaign. Potential Russian involvement in our election is not and is therefore summarily rejected by Trump. The hypocrisy is hard to ignore.

    Foreign influence is a problem, I would agree. But I think there is a big difference between players within the system trying to manipulate it with superdelegates, rigged debates and interviews, staging demostrations etc, and a foreign influence releasing information that can sway a voter.
    Sure, but I'm not even arguing what's worse or what happened or what didn't happen. Trump was completely willing to push claims of fraud when he believed it would help his cause. Now he is completely disregarding intelligence reports that say something he doesn't like.
    And it was the other way around with the DNC thought they had the election, claiming voter fraud doesn't exist. Now they lost, and immediately filed claims for a recount.
    Both sides had a complete flip.
    But the CIA isn't the DNC and Trump is going to be President of the United States. The next POTUS is dismissing the CIA because what they are saying doesn't help his cause. That should be cause for concern for both sides.
    He shouldn't be dismissing it. I'm just pointing out that for all the flack he is taking for this, is mostly coming from the same people who laughed at him for the same views when the shoe was on the other foot. So I can hardly blame him for simply repeating the same behavior that was shown him.
    And no, the CIA is not the DNC, but the DNC is an internal force along with other high profile figures influencing the election, which in my opinion, is a bigger issue than where these accusations started.
    They started with complaining wikileaks was Russia and they should not influence voters. Now if it can be proven they hacked into the polls and literally added votes, then yes that is a lot bigger, but that seems to be a newer theory, and from what I can tell has zero evidence behind it other than "How else can we explain how Trump won?"
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mace1229 said:

    JimmyV said:

    mace1229 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Again, Trump gleefully pointed to Super delegates and illegal immigrants voting as evidence of election rigging. Both notions were politically beneficial to him and his campaign. Potential Russian involvement in our election is not and is therefore summarily rejected by Trump. The hypocrisy is hard to ignore.

    Foreign influence is a problem, I would agree. But I think there is a big difference between players within the system trying to manipulate it with superdelegates, rigged debates and interviews, staging demostrations etc, and a foreign influence releasing information that can sway a voter.
    Sure, but I'm not even arguing what's worse or what happened or what didn't happen. Trump was completely willing to push claims of fraud when he believed it would help his cause. Now he is completely disregarding intelligence reports that say something he doesn't like.
    And it was the other way around with the DNC thought they had the election, claiming voter fraud doesn't exist. Now they lost, and immediately filed claims for a recount.
    Both sides had a complete flip.
    Funny how that works, should tell you everything you need to know about our "democratically" elected leaders and their appointees!
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