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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    JC29856 said:
    Hillary seems to have suffered from trusting her campaign to people who didn't know how to win even when victory is guaranteed.
  • The Dems need to make themselves great again.
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623

    The Dems need to make themselves great again.

    Says the never great Trump and alt Reich you. Pot kettle black.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    It's worth listening to, or watching Cornell West on Democracy Now talking about the state of the party. His statement was along the lines of, preaching about moral superiority while privatizing based on who puts money in Democrats' pockets, using the military to resolve crises as a first choice, and suppressing political dissidents shows hypocrisy and portrays a morally bankrupt party. There was much more meaningful detail that I think everyone on here would find interesting and valid.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    edited December 2016
    Let's not point fingers. Let's move forward tog...oh. Scratch that.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    benjs said:

    It's worth listening to, or watching Cornell West on Democracy Now talking about the state of the party. His statement was along the lines of, preaching about moral superiority while privatizing based on who puts money in Democrats' pockets, using the military to resolve crises as a first choice, and suppressing political dissidents shows hypocrisy and portrays a morally bankrupt party. There was much more meaningful detail that I think everyone on here would find interesting and valid.

    I saw that too, pretty interesting.
    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16878
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Free said:

    benjs said:

    It's worth listening to, or watching Cornell West on Democracy Now talking about the state of the party. His statement was along the lines of, preaching about moral superiority while privatizing based on who puts money in Democrats' pockets, using the military to resolve crises as a first choice, and suppressing political dissidents shows hypocrisy and portrays a morally bankrupt party. There was much more meaningful detail that I think everyone on here would find interesting and valid.

    I saw that too, pretty interesting.
    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16878
    Thanks for the link, Free :) I was on my phone and short of time.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    Cornell West is who Sharpton and Jackson should be but instead they're neolib hack hypocrites.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,549
    So the two black guys you don't like should be like the black guy you do like?
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598

    So the two black guys you don't like should be like the black guy you do like?

    :lol:
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Heads in the Sand

    http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/12/06/heads-sand
    It seems that many Democrats are determined not to change, not to learn any lessons from the 2016 election. Instead of trying to figure out what went wrong, they are clinging to denial and self-righteousness. During the election, “I’m With Her” was used to silence internal opposition. Gung-ho Democrats dismissed the idea that liberals could have legitimate qualms about full throated support for Hillary because of her war-mongering, close relationship with Wall Street, and only passing concern for the economic struggles of large segments of the population.

    Progressives who were not entirely with her were told that they were sexist or were guilty of having internalized the attacks that the right had level against the Clintons over the years. Even when Hillary stumbled, the left rushed to her defense rather than acknowledge the establishment’s dangerous self-righteousness. And it is worth being clear, despite protests to the contrary that attempted to justify Hillary’s position, characterizing half of Trump supporters as “deplorables” who are “irredeemable” was and is the sort of holier-than-thou perspective that contributes to the sad state of the Democratic Party.

    Within the echo chamber of the coastal elites, a steady stream of Facebook posts deny the reality that Republicans won and won big in 2016. A steady diet of stories touts everything from Clinton’s numerical victory in the polls and the role of gerrymandering in this election to the rise in discrimination after the election and the possibility that the Electoral College might reject Trump on principle. What is missing is the recognition that the Democratic Party needs to change even if all these things are true.

    As the media has not tired of reporting, at a recent event, hosted not surprisingly at Harvard, the Clinton and Trump campaign managers got in a fight over whether Trump won because of racism or because of his message. It is easier for liberals to chalk up the stunning defeat in November to racism, sexism, zenophobia, and ignorance than it is to admit weaknesses in the Democratic Party and in the Party’s approach. Put differently, what does it say about the Democratic Party that Republicans, marching behind a transparently ridiculous and dangerous buffoon, were able to gain control over all branches of the national government and a majority of state governments? The head in the sand response is to attribute the election results to a victory by America’s deplorables, but a better response when one fails is to figure out what went wrong and try something new going forward.

    Democrats may not be able to change all parts of the American political landscape—the Republican party will likely continue to rely in part on race-baiting to win votes—but Democrats can be a more honest and less self-righteous about what went wrong. Establishment Democrats are trying desperately to turn attention away from the 2016 loss. The large orange-haired, instable elephant in the room undoubtedly represents a grave threat not only to the social safety net but also to the country itself. But unless Democrats present an alternative version of progress, it will be hard to fight against the “greatness” Trump is promising.

    Hillary’s basic campaign message—I’m better than him—was accurate but hardly inspiring.

    But even writing that risks the wrath of party hacks who pounce on anybody who does not stick to the party line. Just as conservatives who put the country above the Republican Party should already be acting to reign in Trump’s behavior and police his conflicts of interest, progressives should have been horrified by the Democratic Party’s favoritism during the primaries and the cheating—passing along questions to candidate Clinton before a debate—by the current interim chair of the Democratic National Committee during the campaign. The protest that these are false equivalents, that the Republicans are much worse, is only momentarily satisfying, for it cannot disguise the fact that the Democratic Party is in shambles.

    The Clinton era is over and hopefully so too is the strategy of triangulation. It is time for the Democratic Party to unapologetically return to those values—a commitment to economic and racial equality on the domestic front and to being a voice for peace not for war in foreign affairs—that were core values of the Party but that have gotten a bit tarnished with time. Egomaniacs tend either to believe that they are infallible or to blame their failures on others, but Democrats cannot afford—more importantly, the poor, the vulnerable, and the country cannot afford—to let the party elite’s self-righteousness prevent progressives from reflecting critically on the 2016 election and making necessary course corrections as far as the Democratic Party’s orientation.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    "I'm with her" was the worst slogan of all time. As soon as Trump said "I'm with you" it was over.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    I think a lot of people are far over estimating how liberal they believe the country is economically. Is Carter the last liberal president? Probably. But he got there by beating a sitting president that was not elected and was subsequently routed in 80. I find it ironic that some liberals are preaching to blow up the party due to the loss, but also bitching about the EC, considering HRC won almost 3 million more votes. Reagan beat Carter by 8.5 million votes. The Republican Party was left for dead 4 years ago. As usual, everyone is over reacting.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    We're all ignoring the elephant in the room.

    Lincoln Chafee would have won.

    :wink:
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    vaggar99 said:
    Because you are not a member of the House... or in her district, judging by your SD, CA marker...