Hillary won more votes for President

oftenreading said:

what dreams said:

JimmyV said:

what dreams said:

JimmyV said:

I'm sure it was hard for her to stand up there and admit defeat. I saw genuine emotion from her as she did it. However, I felt very little for her in that moment other than anger. Anger at her, anger at her campaign, anger at the DNC, anger at the entire Democratic Party. This was their failure and it has doomed us to Donald Trump.

I blame Trump voters most of all. Establishment Democrats are running a close second.

I felt anger at the campaign, too. I wanted to spit on Podesta and Huma-whatever-her-name-is, wondering how they could still be sitting there with the crap they were involved in. But then when Kaine spoke to introduce her, so much finally made sense to me. He spoke very eloquently of her deep sense of loyalty, that it was her most precious human quality. To me, it explains why she stood by her philandering husband and why she didn't fire the people who messed up and why people who actually know her like her and trust her. To the rest of the world, her loyalty is seen as a flaw, and it did cost her and us the election, so I don't know how to reconcile the anger with the understanding. I'm working on that. It's like studying a Greek tragedy, I swear.

I hear you. For me Tim Kaine made it worse. I don't think he added anything to the ticket and listening to him talk hammered that home. Was a reminder of all the missteps and mistakes.

Kaine didn't add pizzazz to the campaign ticket, but he would have been a fabulous vice president. It frustrates me, all this talk of perso

oftenreading said:

what dreams said:

oftenreading said:

Free said:

what dreams said:

I'm not blaming her loss on sexism. I'm calling people out for expecting things of women they would never expect of men. If all you can say of her speech is that she didn't cry, you are completely incapable of hearing anything else she has to say.

She was completely without emotion during that concession speech. Her supporters are very emotional about her historic run at presidency, yet she talks like (what my spouse says) a robot. And she talked like the speech was almost rehearsed, though I wouldn't think it would be. She just lost after very much planning to win. It's very emotional. I expected her to be at the very least - HUMAN.

For god's sake - John Boehner is a man cry-baby. If you want to take emotion to that extreme, well, there you have it. And we've seen Obama tear up. It's called being Human, has nothing to do with feminism.

Of course she's fairly controlled in her emotional expression. Her decades in politics have shown her many examples of women who were brushed off as being "overwrought" or "too emotional" or, always the favourite, "shrill", for showing anything other than stoicism.

I felt very connected to her during her speech, as I do always when I listen to her. I cried for her courage, to have to stand up there and accept defeat and to encourage at least 1/4 of a pretty hopeless nation to remain hopeful. It was a very human moment for me.

Maybe it wasn't her. Maybe it was you.

Me? I didn't even watch the damn speech . I'm just explaining why she's likely to be restrained (i.e. professional) in her demeanor. Do you really disagree that she is? It's a totally different thing than whether or not you feel connected to her.

Yes, she is restrained in her speech.

It's not a character flaw to be so.

I agree. I see it as a positive. If I have come across differently, then I really have to work on my own delivery.

JC29856 said:

lukin2006 said:

This thread should be closed, this Clinton has lost, no room for her in the Trump Whitehouse...maybe the Clintons will go off and retire....

lukin2006 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

lukin2006 said:

This thread should be closed, this Clinton has lost, no room for her in the Trump Whitehouse...maybe the Clintons will go off and retire....

maybe don installs bill as secretary of p****grabbing.

Bill on board ... all seriousness aside, I often wondered this week if he's glad she lost, I really do ... at times he looked very tired, I'm not sure he really wanted to move back into the Whitehouse, I could be wrong, but I really started wondering that when he criticized obamacare...I thought that was strange...and who could blame him...