Hillary won more votes for President

JimmyV

If you are blaming her loss on sexism you are reaching. It was a factor. It was far from the deciding factor.

JC29856

JimmyV said:

If you are blaming her loss on sexism you are reaching. It was a factor. It was far from the deciding factor.

It was her election to lose and she did a wonderful job at it...BIGLY!

what dreams

I'm not blaming her loss on sexism. I'm calling people out for expecting things of women they would never expect of men. If all you can say of her speech is that she didn't cry, you are completely incapable of hearing anything else she has to say.

PJ_Soul

what dreams said:

And the sexism continues . . . A woman, guilty of not being emotional enough.

Yup.

JimmyV

what dreams said:

I'm not blaming her loss on sexism. I'm calling people out for expecting things of women they would never expect of men. If all you can say of her speech is that she didn't cry, you are completely incapable of hearing anything else she has to say.

This I agree with.

Ledbetterman10

what dreams said:

I'm not blaming her loss on sexism. I'm calling people out for expecting things of women they would never expect of men. If all you can say of her speech is that she didn't cry, you are completely incapable of hearing anything else she has to say.

Not saying you were. Some people around the country (or at least on my facebook feed) have noted sexism as a reason for her loss and that's stupid. As for her concession speech. I thought it was pretty by-the-book. No different than Romney's, McCain's, Kerry's, or any other presidential loser.

Jason P

She looked angry in the speech. I thought she was going to yell 'motherfuckers stop clapping!" at the beginning.

I can't blame her. She has spent the last 16 years preparing to win only to be undone by a reality TV star that spent the last year spouting outrageous shit.

JC29856

what dreams said:

I'm not blaming her loss on sexism. I'm calling people out for expecting things of women they would never expect of men. If all you can say of her speech is that she didn't cry, you are completely incapable of hearing anything else she has to say.

I don't see the word "cry" anywhere.

Ledbetterman10

I feel that Hillary would have won if Bernie Sanders was her running mate. People got excited for Bernie. It's safe to assume that a portion of Bernie's supporters either didn't vote for Hillary or voted for Trump. That's important to remember: there were a lot of similarities between Sanders and Trump. CERTAINLY not in policy or rhetoric, but they definitely got people emotionally invested in their campaign, and both had kind of an "outsider" status (despite, oddly, Bernie being in Washington since 1991). I dunno. This election was as close as close can be. And where Tim Kaine contributed absolutely nothing...Sanders might have made a difference. I also think Hillary and Bernie showing they can work together and compromise on their disagreements would have contrasted well with Trump's "I'm right, everybody else is wrong attitude. With the benefit of hindsight, I bet she would have tapped Bernie. But when it was time to choose a running mate, she felt that Trump wasn't going to be a threat.

Jason P

Ledbetterman10 said:

I feel that Hillary would have won if Bernie Sanders was her running mate. People got excited for Bernie. It's safe to assume that a portion of Bernie's supporters either didn't vote for Hillary or voted for Trump. That's important to remember: there were a lot of similarities between Sanders and Trump. CERTAINLY not in policy or rhetoric, but they definitely got people emotionally invested in their campaign, and both had kind of an "outsider" status (despite, oddly, Bernie being in Washington since 1991). I dunno. This election was as close as close can be. And where Tim Kaine contributed absolutely nothing...Sanders might have made a difference. I also think Hillary and Bernie showing they can work together and compromise on their disagreements would have contrasted well with Trump's "I'm right, everybody else is wrong attitude. With the benefit of hindsight, I bet she would have tapped Bernie. But when it was time to choose a running mate, she felt that Trump wasn't going to be a threat.

I think she was mad at Bernie for not dropping out early. Kaine was a puzzling choice. I think she picked him because he didn't have any baggage that could be used by the GOP to attack so she picked the most boring person available.

Ledbetterman10

Jason P said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I feel that Hillary would have won if Bernie Sanders was her running mate. People got excited for Bernie. It's safe to assume that a portion of Bernie's supporters either didn't vote for Hillary or voted for Trump. That's important to remember: there were a lot of similarities between Sanders and Trump. CERTAINLY not in policy or rhetoric, but they definitely got people emotionally invested in their campaign, and both had kind of an "outsider" status (despite, oddly, Bernie being in Washington since 1991). I dunno. This election was as close as close can be. And where Tim Kaine contributed absolutely nothing...Sanders might have made a difference. I also think Hillary and Bernie showing they can work together and compromise on their disagreements would have contrasted well with Trump's "I'm right, everybody else is wrong attitude. With the benefit of hindsight, I bet she would have tapped Bernie. But when it was time to choose a running mate, she felt that Trump wasn't going to be a threat.

I think she was mad at Bernie for not dropping out early. Kaine was a puzzling choice. I think she picked him because he didn't have any baggage that could be used by the GOP to attack so she picked the most boring person available.

Yeah and that's par-for-the-course for Hillary: feeling she deserves the nomination so much that Bernie should drop out and bow at her feet. In her defense, he did stick around a little long. Hillary, who was much closer to Obama in 2008 than Bernie was to her this year, dropped out two months prior to the DNC. But still, if she knew that Trump was going to be so tough, she might have pegged Bernie in a "desperate times call for desperate measures" sort of thing.

HughFreakingDillon

what dreams said:

I'm not blaming her loss on sexism. I'm calling people out for expecting things of women they would never expect of men. If all you can say of her speech is that she didn't cry, you are completely incapable of hearing anything else she has to say.

+1.

HughFreakingDillon

Jason P said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I feel that Hillary would have won if Bernie Sanders was her running mate. People got excited for Bernie. It's safe to assume that a portion of Bernie's supporters either didn't vote for Hillary or voted for Trump. That's important to remember: there were a lot of similarities between Sanders and Trump. CERTAINLY not in policy or rhetoric, but they definitely got people emotionally invested in their campaign, and both had kind of an "outsider" status (despite, oddly, Bernie being in Washington since 1991). I dunno. This election was as close as close can be. And where Tim Kaine contributed absolutely nothing...Sanders might have made a difference. I also think Hillary and Bernie showing they can work together and compromise on their disagreements would have contrasted well with Trump's "I'm right, everybody else is wrong attitude. With the benefit of hindsight, I bet she would have tapped Bernie. But when it was time to choose a running mate, she felt that Trump wasn't going to be a threat.

I think she was mad at Bernie for not dropping out early. Kaine was a puzzling choice. I think she picked him because he didn't have any baggage that could be used by the GOP to attack so she picked the most boring person available.

she should have picked Michelle. LOL

rssesq

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

usamamasan1 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mrussel1 said:

usamamasan1 said:

Hillary is a liar, a hag, and a crony capitalist that can't even keep her husband in her own bed.

Such a idiotic comment. Trump can't keep himself in his wife's bed. What happened to personal responsibility? Hilarious that Trump supporters try to hang Bill's infidelities around Hillary when he clearly cheated on Ivana at a minimum and probably Marla. And he bragged about sleeping with married women. I can't wait until they try that shit again in the general. He is a POS and a draft dodger. But you know that already.

It is not an idiotic comment.
She will not be the next POTUS because she will forever be dogged with press questions about infidelity.
Imagine Hillary addressing muslims?

She didn't cheat on her husband. Trump cheated on his wives. Democrats naturally attract 53-55% of women voters. Do you really think attacking Hillary by blaming her for Bill's infidelities is going to attract the 62% of women voters necessary for Trump to win the election? Basically, you are saying that this line of attack is going to turn a natural 5% deficit into a 12% positive. I'm sorry, that's fantasy land. It is an idiotic comment because it's a politically untenable attack for Trump to take.

97% of all statistics are made up, on the spot. Nice numbers Ace!

Educate yourself a little bit please. I'm tired of you embarrassing yourself on these boards. It will also help you be prepared for Trump's general election loss. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/donald-trump-needs-7-of-10-white-guys-213699

Education is key!

Where's he been? Must be videoing? lmao

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jason P said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I feel that Hillary would have won if Bernie Sanders was her running mate. People got excited for Bernie. It's safe to assume that a portion of Bernie's supporters either didn't vote for Hillary or voted for Trump. That's important to remember: there were a lot of similarities between Sanders and Trump. CERTAINLY not in policy or rhetoric, but they definitely got people emotionally invested in their campaign, and both had kind of an "outsider" status (despite, oddly, Bernie being in Washington since 1991). I dunno. This election was as close as close can be. And where Tim Kaine contributed absolutely nothing...Sanders might have made a difference. I also think Hillary and Bernie showing they can work together and compromise on their disagreements would have contrasted well with Trump's "I'm right, everybody else is wrong attitude. With the benefit of hindsight, I bet she would have tapped Bernie. But when it was time to choose a running mate, she felt that Trump wasn't going to be a threat.

I think she was mad at Bernie for not dropping out early. Kaine was a puzzling choice. I think she picked him because he didn't have any baggage that could be used by the GOP to attack so she picked the most boring person available.

she should have picked Michelle. LOL

Who knows, maybe she asked her! Obviously the Obamas have had enough though. At least for now. Michelle would be a wonderful candidate down the road a bit though. Perhaps, once they have had a good long time to decompress - long enough to miss the special power and priviledge and long enough to forget how awful it really was, lol - she will consider it.

JimmyV

Democrats need a robust slate of candidates for 2020. Legitimate choices with diverse views. I don't know today who those candidates are. I honestly don't know for sure they are even out there. All I can do is hope that they are.

PJ_Soul

JimmyV said:

Democrats need a robust slate of candidates for 2020. Legitimate choices with diverse views. I don't know today who those candidates are. I honestly don't know for sure they are even out there. All I can do is hope that they are.

I just wish Bernie Sanders were 10 years younger.

rssesq

and Canadian right?

HughFreakingDillon

rssesq said:

and Canadian right?

no, we're just fine, thank you.

JC29856

rssesq said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

usamamasan1 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mrussel1 said:

usamamasan1 said:

Hillary is a liar, a hag, and a crony capitalist that can't even keep her husband in her own bed.

Such a idiotic comment. Trump can't keep himself in his wife's bed. What happened to personal responsibility? Hilarious that Trump supporters try to hang Bill's infidelities around Hillary when he clearly cheated on Ivana at a minimum and probably Marla. And he bragged about sleeping with married women. I can't wait until they try that shit again in the general. He is a POS and a draft dodger. But you know that already.

It is not an idiotic comment.
She will not be the next POTUS because she will forever be dogged with press questions about infidelity.
Imagine Hillary addressing muslims?

She didn't cheat on her husband. Trump cheated on his wives. Democrats naturally attract 53-55% of women voters. Do you really think attacking Hillary by blaming her for Bill's infidelities is going to attract the 62% of women voters necessary for Trump to win the election? Basically, you are saying that this line of attack is going to turn a natural 5% deficit into a 12% positive. I'm sorry, that's fantasy land. It is an idiotic comment because it's a politically untenable attack for Trump to take.

97% of all statistics are made up, on the spot. Nice numbers Ace!

Educate yourself a little bit please. I'm tired of you embarrassing yourself on these boards. It will also help you be prepared for Trump's general election loss. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/donald-trump-needs-7-of-10-white-guys-213699

Education is key!

Where's he been? Must be videoing? lmao

Pizza and hot dogs!