Hillary won more votes for President

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

JC29856 said:

If situations were reversed, and there were anti Hilliary protests, Trumpb would be demanded to address his deplorables. All forms of media would be calling him out, social, radio, tv and cnn.
Hillary, not so much.

Absolutely because he was the one who incited them. How quickly we forget about his campaign rhetoric. At no point did Hillary ever even slightly allude to this kind of stuff, but he practically did at every rally.

She didn't have to allude to it at all because her and her supporters thought they had it in the bag.
Their deplorable actions and hate showing now have always been in them waiting for release on anyone who doesn't agree w/ them.

So a couple people in a large group who choose violence over peace define the group. And by the way they are protesting the hate filled rhetoric of Trump. Have you been paying attention?

JimmyV

oftenreading said:

what dreams said:

JimmyV said:

what dreams said:

JimmyV said:

I'm sure it was hard for her to stand up there and admit defeat. I saw genuine emotion from her as she did it. However, I felt very little for her in that moment other than anger. Anger at her, anger at her campaign, anger at the DNC, anger at the entire Democratic Party. This was their failure and it has doomed us to Donald Trump.

I blame Trump voters most of all. Establishment Democrats are running a close second.

I felt anger at the campaign, too. I wanted to spit on Podesta and Huma-whatever-her-name-is, wondering how they could still be sitting there with the crap they were involved in. But then when Kaine spoke to introduce her, so much finally made sense to me. He spoke very eloquently of her deep sense of loyalty, that it was her most precious human quality. To me, it explains why she stood by her philandering husband and why she didn't fire the people who messed up and why people who actually know her like her and trust her. To the rest of the world, her loyalty is seen as a flaw, and it did cost her and us the election, so I don't know how to reconcile the anger with the understanding. I'm working on that. It's like studying a Greek tragedy, I swear.

I hear you. For me Tim Kaine made it worse. I don't think he added anything to the ticket and listening to him talk hammered that home. Was a reminder of all the missteps and mistakes.

Kaine didn't add pizzazz to the campaign ticket, but he would have been a fabulous vice president. It frustrates me, all this talk of perso

oftenreading said:

what dreams said:

oftenreading said:

Free said:

what dreams said:

I'm not blaming her loss on sexism. I'm calling people out for expecting things of women they would never expect of men. If all you can say of her speech is that she didn't cry, you are completely incapable of hearing anything else she has to say.

She was completely without emotion during that concession speech. Her supporters are very emotional about her historic run at presidency, yet she talks like (what my spouse says) a robot. And she talked like the speech was almost rehearsed, though I wouldn't think it would be. She just lost after very much planning to win. It's very emotional. I expected her to be at the very least - HUMAN.

For god's sake - John Boehner is a man cry-baby. If you want to take emotion to that extreme, well, there you have it. And we've seen Obama tear up. It's called being Human, has nothing to do with feminism.

Of course she's fairly controlled in her emotional expression. Her decades in politics have shown her many examples of women who were brushed off as being "overwrought" or "too emotional" or, always the favourite, "shrill", for showing anything other than stoicism.

I felt very connected to her during her speech, as I do always when I listen to her. I cried for her courage, to have to stand up there and accept defeat and to encourage at least 1/4 of a pretty hopeless nation to remain hopeful. It was a very human moment for me.

Maybe it wasn't her. Maybe it was you.

Me? I didn't even watch the damn speech . I'm just explaining why she's likely to be restrained (i.e. professional) in her demeanor. Do you really disagree that she is? It's a totally different thing than whether or not you feel connected to her.

Yes, she is restrained in her speech.

It's not a character flaw to be so.

I agree. I see it as a positive. If I have come across differently, then I really have to work on my own delivery.

I agree as well. I think her delivery when she conceded was everything we could expect. I might disagree with the decision to wait until the next morning but it would be a minor criticism at best. I understand why they did it.

josevolution

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

JC29856 said:

If situations were reversed, and there were anti Hilliary protests, Trumpb would be demanded to address his deplorables. All forms of media would be calling him out, social, radio, tv and cnn.
Hillary, not so much.

Absolutely because he was the one who incited them. How quickly we forget about his campaign rhetoric. At no point did Hillary ever even slightly allude to this kind of stuff, but he practically did at every rally.

She didn't have to allude to it at all because her and her supporters thought they had it in the bag.
Their deplorable actions and hate showing now have always been in them waiting for release on anyone who doesn't agree w/ them.

So a couple people in a large group who choose violence over peace define the group. And by the way they are protesting the hate filled rhetoric of Trump. Have you been paying attention?

No the Trumpsters all forget all the hate he spewed and now he's a model citizen, to me he will be a Bafoon 4ever !

unsung

JC29856 said:

JC29856

Remember remember 16' November
Save this for Chelseas Senate run

Free

Robert Reich: It’s Time to Dismantle the Democratic Party and Start Anew

http://inthesetimes.com/article/19625/robert-reich-donald-trump-democratic-party-president

Trump’s victory only confirms that the Democratic Party as it stands is a corporate fundraising machine that doesn’t speak to the needs of working people. We need to build a party that actually represents the working class.

lukin2006

This thread should be closed, this Clinton has lost, no room for her in the Trump Whitehouse...maybe the Clintons will go off and retire....

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
Agreed
Hillary has lost.
No need for this thread.

JimmyV

The thread is fine. The failure of the Clinton campaign and the Democrats is something that will be discussed for years.

Free

Clinton aides blame loss on everything but themselves

‘They are saying they did nothing wrong, which is ridiculous,’ one Democrat says.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-aides-loss-blame-231215

Free

Clinton aides blame loss on everything but themselves

‘They are saying they did nothing wrong, which is ridiculous,’ one Democrat says.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-aides-loss-blame-231215

HughFreakingDillon

lukin2006 said:

This thread should be closed, this Clinton has lost, no room for her in the Trump Whitehouse...maybe the Clintons will go off and retire....

maybe don installs bill as secretary of p****grabbing.

lukin2006

HughFreakingDillon said:

lukin2006 said:

This thread should be closed, this Clinton has lost, no room for her in the Trump Whitehouse...maybe the Clintons will go off and retire....

maybe don installs bill as secretary of p****grabbing.

Bill on board ... all seriousness aside, I often wondered this week if he's glad she lost, I really do ... at times he looked very tired, I'm not sure he really wanted to move back into the Whitehouse, I could be wrong, but I really started wondering that when he criticized obamacare...I thought that was strange...and who could blame him...

tbergs

lukin2006 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

lukin2006 said:

This thread should be closed, this Clinton has lost, no room for her in the Trump Whitehouse...maybe the Clintons will go off and retire....

maybe don installs bill as secretary of p****grabbing.

Bill on board ... all seriousness aside, I often wondered this week if he's glad she lost, I really do ... at times he looked very tired, I'm not sure he really wanted to move back into the Whitehouse, I could be wrong, but I really started wondering that when he criticized obamacare...I thought that was strange...and who could blame him...

Seriously, good point. Considering how much of his past was coming up again, he had to be like I don't need this shit anymore. Been there, done that.

You know their marriage is just for show.

lukin2006

tbergs said:

lukin2006 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

lukin2006 said:

This thread should be closed, this Clinton has lost, no room for her in the Trump Whitehouse...maybe the Clintons will go off and retire....

maybe don installs bill as secretary of p****grabbing.

Bill on board ... all seriousness aside, I often wondered this week if he's glad she lost, I really do ... at times he looked very tired, I'm not sure he really wanted to move back into the Whitehouse, I could be wrong, but I really started wondering that when he criticized obamacare...I thought that was strange...and who could blame him...

Seriously, good point. Considering how much of his past was coming up again, he had to be like I don't need this shit anymore. Been there, done that.

You know their marriage is just for show.

A marriage of convenience I believe...

And agree, been there, done that...lets enjoy life...

JC29856

This is the next DNC chair...again notice the laughter from rich privileged white pundit class!

https://youtu.be/FHkPadFK34o

PJfanwillneverleave1

I like this line by Hillary and I can see why she was called nasty. The subtle cuts and jabs by liberals only go so far until people have enough.
A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man you can trust with nuclear weapons,” she remarked about Trump at the Democratic National Convention
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/11/12/trump-pledges-restraint-with-twitter-when-in-white-house.html

Cliffy6745

Seems like it should be a fact...

JC29856

Still no mruss? I'm concerned

lukin2006

It wasn’t misogyny that caused Clinton’s downfall, it was all the baggage she dragged around

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/rex-murphy-fear-and-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail-16

From the article, hahahaha...it was Madonnas fault.

Boasting about her expertise in the area, and her unparalleled experience, Madonna promised to give oral sex to any man who voted for Hillary Clinton. The threat did not go unheeded: all over the country, men went into hiding and trembled with dread. Some went so far as to vote for Donald Trump as the only guaranteed prophylactic. In fact, post-election analysis determined that the prospect of a service visit from Madonna, tied with a promise from actress Lena Dunham to leave the country if Hillary Clinton lost, were major motivators for self-respecting male Democrats to come out in support of Trump./i>