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dignin · October 2016

PJ_Soul said:
I am actually embarrassed that I share the same last name with the guy, lol.

It's okay, everyone has a crazy uncle.

wndowpayne · October 2016

I'll say it..all these allegations have come out after the " bus tape" right?... the stories these ladies tell go hand in hand with that tape...had these allegations come out BEFORE that tape was released, I'd tend to believe them more ..I agree that Trump is a sexist pos...but these are some serious allegations folks..not just ones that tip an election..

mrussel1 · October 2016

wndowpayne said:
I'll say it..all these allegations have come out after the " bus tape" right?... the stories these ladies tell go hand in hand with that tape...had these allegations come out BEFORE that tape was released, I'd tend to believe them more ..I agree that Trump is a sexist pos...but these are some serious allegations folks..not just ones that tip an election..

I think you are interpreting this all wrong. The women have generally said that they were ashamed and embarrassed by the incidents. But when they heard the tape and heard that this is what he does and it wasn't them that did anything wrong, they decided to come forward. Further, when he denied that he had ever done anything at the debate to Anderson Cooper, that spurred them as well. Read the first person account in People. It's very compelling and you will see why... http://people.com/politics/donald-trump-attacked-people-writer/

dignin · October 2016

wndowpayne said:
I'll say it..all these allegations have come out after the " bus tape" right?... the stories these ladies tell go hand in hand with that tape...had these allegations come out BEFORE that tape was released, I'd tend to believe them more ..I agree that Trump is a sexist pos...but these are some serious allegations folks..not just ones that tip an election..

The women I have heard on the media said they decided to come forward after the debate, when he said he never acted on his sexual assault bragging. That pissed them off. It seems entirely plausible to me, there have been many cases where as soon as one woman comes forward, many do.

Fact is, he bragged about doing it and women came forward and said he has. They are backing up his allegations, the man is a complete idiot.

PJ_Soul · October 2016

dignin said:

wndowpayne said:
I'll say it..all these allegations have come out after the " bus tape" right?... the stories these ladies tell go hand in hand with that tape...had these allegations come out BEFORE that tape was released, I'd tend to believe them more ..I agree that Trump is a sexist pos...but these are some serious allegations folks..not just ones that tip an election..
The women I have heard on the media said they decided to come forward after the debate, when he said he never acted on his sexual assault bragging. That pissed them off. It seems entirely plausible to me, there have been many cases where as soon as one woman comes forward, many do.

Fact is, he bragged about doing it and women came forward and said he has. They are backing up his allegations, the man is a complete idiot.

Yeah, agreed. I don't find it strange at all that these women are coming out of the woodwork now. They are seeing their attacker/groper denying denying denying, in public, trying to convince people that he is not the kind of man people are finally saying he is. I think it's natural for all these women to feel like now's the time to reveal their own experience in order to prove that he's lying, and that he is exactly the kind of man people are saying he is. Most of the accounts being shared now are pretty damn believable, and they all seem to support each other. These women must be so glad that finally his behaviour has been dragged out into the sunlight. NOW people might believe them. Before, I'm sure they were worried that people wouldn't, and also that Trump might fucking sue them or otherwise try to destroy them. He can't do that to them now. Everyone's watching.

JimmyV · October 2016

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JimmyV said:
Curt Schilling has me blocked on Twitter and I legitimately don't know why. The few other people who have me blocked I know EXACTLY why. I don't remember tweeting much about Curt at all. Something connected though.
Well, hell, I am going to have to go and get blocked by Curt Schilling now. This will be fun. I'll report back.

Ian Poulter blocked me for telling him he can't win in the states. Yeah, he's that sensitive. Also Steve Elkington and I don't remember why. Think he said something 3/4's racist or something and I responded.

Cliffy6745 said:

JimmyV said:
Curt Schilling has me blocked on Twitter and I legitimately don't know why. The few other people who have me blocked I know EXACTLY why. I don't remember tweeting much about Curt at all. Something connected though.
Well, hell, I am going to have to go and get blocked by Curt Schilling now. This will be fun. I'll report back.

Ian Poulter blocked me for telling him he can't win in the states. Yeah, he's that sensitive. Also Steve Elkington and I don't remember why. Think he said something 3/4's racist or something and I responded.
Yep, quoting myself, but well on my way to getting blocked by Schilling.

Lol

josevolution · October 2016

Wait wait food can't be in a Trump thread I have to much respect for food even fast food which by the way I don't consume ...

wndowpayne · October 2016

I actually think these bus tapes are Trump trying to be macho, if you will..bragging on a bus filled with guys..about how you can have your way with women..if you notice, when Trump gets off that bus, he didnt go for the hug or kiss..he went for a handshake before dirtbag Bush asked about a hug..same with the Stern shows, macho bullshit about how great he is.It's a Stern show interview , for petes sake, not NBC.Im not saying Trump hasn't taken advantage of his celebrity or money..Accusing anybody of sexual assault, you better have iron clad proof..for the record, I think both candidates suck and we are screwed.

PJ_Soul · October 2016

wndowpayne said:
I actually think these bus tapes are Trump trying to be macho, if you will..bragging on a bus filled with guys..about how you can have your way with women..if you notice, when Trump gets off that bus, he didnt go for the hug or kiss..he went for a handshake before dirtbag Bush asked about a hug..same with the Stern shows, macho bullshit about how great he is.It's a Stern show interview , for petes sake, not NBC.Im not saying Trump hasn't taken advantage of his celebrity or money..Accusing anybody of sexual assault, you better have iron clad proof..for the record, I think both candidates suck and we are screwed.

You really think that now that all these women are coming out and telling us that he totally acts like that and did do those things to them? I think the facts completely prove that Trump does indeed behave the way he was telling Bush he behaves on that bus. The evidence seems overwhelming at this point, when you put it all together. Not to mention that, if you listen to what he said on that bus, he doesn't at all sound like he's joking. He sounds like he means it. I know that's not proof, but together with everything else it's just another drop in the perverted bucket.

JimmyV · October 2016

Pretty sure the girls he assaulted took that experience to be iron clad proof of sexual assault.

PJ_Soul · October 2016

JimmyV said:
Pretty sure the girls he assaulted took that experience to be iron clad proof of sexual assault.

Well yes, lol. If there were a machine that could turn memories into something that we could see with our own eyes, that would be helpful.

... Of course, there are always lie detector tests, but that would be fairly demeaning to his accusers unless they offered to do one on their own accord.

CM189191 · October 2016

mrussel1 said:
So do we think that the White House is baiting Trump to attack Michelle Obama? I think so... will he take the bait?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/warning-trump-attack-michelle-obama-229749

yes, they are

“I can’t think of a bolder way for Donald Trump to lose even more standing than he already has than by engaging the first lady of the United States,” Deputy White House Press Secretary Eric Schultz told reporters Thursday afternoon.

and it's going to be outstanding

PJ_Soul · October 2016

CM189191 said:

mrussel1 said:
So do we think that the White House is baiting Trump to attack Michelle Obama? I think so... will he take the bait?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/warning-trump-attack-michelle-obama-229749
yes, they are

“I can’t think of a bolder way for Donald Trump to lose even more standing than he already has than by engaging the first lady of the United States,” Deputy White House Press Secretary Eric Schultz told reporters Thursday afternoon.

and it's going to be outstanding

Baiting or not.... they have a legitimate cause for concern either way, lol. I mean come on... as far as Trump is concerned at this point, isn't it just anything goes? It's not really politics anymore, is it? In the past couple of days Trump sank so far below actual politics (which is saying a LOT!), maybe even the White House can't seriously be expected to handle it with a straight political face. This is just fucked up on an unprecedented scale, and I think we're way beyond expecting anyone to treat Trump the way a candidate would normally be treated.

wndowpayne · October 2016

JimmyV said:
Pretty sure the girls he assaulted took that experience to be iron clad proof of sexual assault.

Well,all I can say is I'm not a female and have not been in the situation. I like to think that if I were, and that pos tried to grope me, there would be a bruise on him and/or me because I'm grabbing the closest thing in the room to bash his head in. If that's not an option, then the nails are going in the face, knee to the nuts, there will be some sort of physical evidence that, unless he killed me, I would photograph and take to anybody that would listen.I've had this conversation with my daughter and feel pretty strongly that she would tell me if, God forbid, she found herself in that situation.

PJ_Soul · October 2016

wndowpayne said:

JimmyV said:
Pretty sure the girls he assaulted took that experience to be iron clad proof of sexual assault.
Well,all I can say is I'm not a female and have not been in the situation. I like to think that if I were, and that pos tried to grope me, there would be a bruise on him and/or me because I'm grabbing the closest thing in the room to bash his head in. If that's not an option, then the nails are going in the face, knee to the nuts, there will be some sort of physical evidence that, unless he killed me, I would photograph and take to anybody that would listen.I've had this conversation with my daughter and feel pretty strongly that she would tell me if, God forbid, she found herself in that situation.

It's not that simple man. Remember there are power dynamics going on, not to mention that women are smaller and weaker. Plus the guy likely preys on those who he knows are vulnerable in some way, be it emotionally or professionally. Then there is the shame factor, which I gather you don't really understand. As well as the burden of proof factor. Just thinking that people won't believe them will often be the reason women don't come out with this stuff, particularly when it's a public figure like Trump, who is quick to sue, quick to slander, and openly willing to drag an accuser through the mud and attempt to destroy careers if he feels wronged. And there is the pure shock factor. Sometimes when a man, especially one in Trump's position, and in a professional kind of environment, pulls something like that, a person can just be stunned into silence and inaction. It is not that easy to take action when confronted by such an inappropriate and unexpected violation. Fighting isn't necessarily going to be the natural reaction to him doing stuff like that. On the contrary - physical violence would seem quite unnatural in such a scenario for many women. And I'm sorry to say it, but don't be too confident about your daughter doing the exact right thing in such a situation. Of course I hope that she would, and maybe that's so .... but truly, it just isn't as easy or straight foward as you seem to think it is.

josevolution · October 2016

wndowpayne said:
I actually think these bus tapes are Trump trying to be macho, if you will..bragging on a bus filled with guys..about how you can have your way with women..if you notice, when Trump gets off that bus, he didnt go for the hug or kiss..he went for a handshake before dirtbag Bush asked about a hug..same with the Stern shows, macho bullshit about how great he is.It's a Stern show interview , for petes sake, not NBC.Im not saying Trump hasn't taken advantage of his celebrity or money..Accusing anybody of sexual assault, you better have iron clad proof..for the record, I think both candidates suck and we are screwed.

Nah he totally does and has done all those things and more , And if you really look at the hand shake he pulls her towards him just to see if she will go for the hug without been asked for one !!

wndowpayne · October 2016

josevolution said:

wndowpayne said:
I actually think these bus tapes are Trump trying to be macho, if you will..bragging on a bus filled with guys..about how you can have your way with women..if you notice, when Trump gets off that bus, he didnt go for the hug or kiss..he went for a handshake before dirtbag Bush asked about a hug..same with the Stern shows, macho bullshit about how great he is.It's a Stern show interview , for petes sake, not NBC.Im not saying Trump hasn't taken advantage of his celebrity or money..Accusing anybody of sexual assault, you better have iron clad proof..for the record, I think both candidates suck and we are screwed.
Nah he totally does and has done all those things and more , And if you really look at the hand shake he pulls her towards him just to see if she will go for the hug without been asked for one !!

Just watched the entire thing on youtube..he does short arm the handshake but gave her the option of the hug without leaning in on her...if you watch it all, you see Trump kinda keeping his distance while Bush keeps egging shit on..

PJ_Soul · October 2016

wndowpayne said:

josevolution said:

wndowpayne said:
I actually think these bus tapes are Trump trying to be macho, if you will..bragging on a bus filled with guys..about how you can have your way with women..if you notice, when Trump gets off that bus, he didnt go for the hug or kiss..he went for a handshake before dirtbag Bush asked about a hug..same with the Stern shows, macho bullshit about how great he is.It's a Stern show interview , for petes sake, not NBC.Im not saying Trump hasn't taken advantage of his celebrity or money..Accusing anybody of sexual assault, you better have iron clad proof..for the record, I think both candidates suck and we are screwed.
Nah he totally does and has done all those things and more , And if you really look at the hand shake he pulls her towards him just to see if she will go for the hug without been asked for one !!
Just watched the entire thing on youtube..he does short arm the handshake but gave her the option of the hug without leaning in on her...if you watch it all, you see Trump kinda keeping his distance while Bush keeps egging shit on..

What exactly are you trying to do? Convince us that Trump isn't a sicko pervert? The only thing you might be convincing me of is that Trump isn't stupid enough to act like too much of a pervert with a woman in broad daylight in front of a video camera. To me it seems like you're trying to make Trump's lack of lunging at that woman on film and in front of Billy Bush a feather in his cap. You think that means he doesn't do what he's being accused of doing and what he told Billy Bush he does only minutes before?

wndowpayne · October 2016

Not trying to convince anyone of anything..personally I think he's unfit to be POTUS..but talking macho bs is not being a "sicko pervert"..acting on it is. Some of what he says is bad enough without having to hear the media pile on with unproven stories of how terrible he is. My point being the msm is trying to control this election like I've never seen.They beat it in the ground all day and this is leading to the ugliest election in history. Waiting for a TMZ video of something stupid he said years ago for Anderson Cooper to do an exclusive on..

PJ_Soul · October 2016

wndowpayne said:
Not trying to convince anyone of anything..personally I think he's unfit to be POTUS..but talking macho bs is not being a "sicko pervert"..acting on it is. Some of what he says is bad enough without having to hear the media pile on with unproven stories of how terrible he is. My point being the msm is trying to control this election like I've never seen.They beat it in the ground all day and this is leading to the ugliest election in history. Waiting for a TMZ video of something stupid he said years ago for Anderson Cooper to do an exclusive on..

Yes, I think the assumption is that he does act on it - all evidence suggests this is true. When you put EVERYTHING together... he comes off as predator, actually. I really don't think the media is doing anything wrong in this case. He deserves all the attention they are giving this story. At this point, with all these women stepping forward with their Trump experiences, it's practically up there with Watergate as far as huge political scandals go. I mean, the dude looked at 10 year old girls and could only put them in the context of when he'd be able to fuck them. Really, can anyone expect the media to back off of this one? And FWIW, it is not like the media is making up these stories. They are simply reporting that actual victims of his predatory nature are stepping forward and making their stories public. You think the media shouldn't report those???? THAT would be wrong. Also, I don't think we should expect the media to treat someone like this with respect. He deserves this because his own words and behaviour earns it.
(And FWIW, just as a complete side note because of a few comments about it, TMZ is pretty damn good for making sure what it reports is true. It's got a bad reputation because it focuses on celebrities and uses humour, but when it comes to fact checking and making sure their info is correct, they are just as solid as any other news outlet. They have a team of lawyers making sure of it, and if they have to make a correction to a story, they do. A lot of people don't realize that. I am not a TMZ consumer generally, but I do know that much)

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