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    Laughable. And really laughable when, arguably, the most intelligent Trump supporters on this board try to sell a weary and wise public voted for Trump to shake up the establishment. How is this shaking up the establishment? This is a private party reserved for the firmly established. There's been no change and in my mind... situations like this make the entire debacle even more grotesque.

    I'll say it again in the event it was missed: Trump was elected because half of the population are simple fools and they were more enthusiastic physically voting. The wiser half of the population could never have imagined such a reality and now... they have to sit there and go, "Fuck."
    "My brain's a good brain!"
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    ^^^
    You forgot to mention the 1% that voted the next POTUS in.
    You mention half and half, what are you?
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

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    Laughable. And really laughable when, arguably, the most intelligent Trump supporters on this board try to sell a weary and wise public voted for Trump to shake up the establishment. How is this shaking up the establishment? This is a private party reserved for the firmly established. There's been no change and in my mind... situations like this make the entire debacle even more grotesque.

    I'll say it again in the event it was missed: Trump was elected because half of the population are simple fools and they were more enthusiastic physically voting. The wiser half of the population could never have imagined such a reality and now... they have to sit there and go, "Fuck."
    Yes sir.

    https://youtu.be/qD9PmDF2ZfY
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    ^^^
    Fuck JC you come through in the clutch.
    So glad this explains why President-elect Trump won.
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    JC29856 said:

    JC29856 said:

    CNN fired black woman Donna Brazile for colluding with the Clinton campaign, but still employs white male Wolf Blitzer for doing the same thing.
    RACISM AND SEXISM AT CNN

    That woman was part of the Clinton campaign. Was wolfe?
    I love your use of "that woman"!


    https://youtu.be/KiIP_KDQmXs
    Really? Your point was pointless and you come back with more pointless information?
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    ^^^
    Fuck JC you come through in the clutch.
    So glad this explains why President-elect Trump won.

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    Don't watch that before bed, I made that mistake last night and was so inspired, I was up until 430am building my kid a tree house. Once I finish watching my mate on below deck tonight, I'll head to the man cave, crank the speakers and rewatch that video.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    JC29856 said:

    JC29856 said:

    CNN fired black woman Donna Brazile for colluding with the Clinton campaign, but still employs white male Wolf Blitzer for doing the same thing.
    RACISM AND SEXISM AT CNN

    That woman was part of the Clinton campaign. Was wolfe?
    I love your use of "that woman"!


    https://youtu.be/KiIP_KDQmXs
    Really? Your point was pointless and you come back with more pointless information?
    If a CNN "personality" were colluding with the Clinton campaign by feeding them debate questions hosted by CNN, would you suspect the one working directly with the campaign or the one not working with the campaign?
    Which of the CNN personalies should be held to the higher standard, a guest commentator or the network everyday anchor that is the face of CNN?
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PjfanWNL1...how about this one? These are the out of touch leaders of the Dem party the Hollywood stars and fake news pushers.

    https://youtu.be/PyEXshBOwEU
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    ^^^
    You forgot to mention the 1% that voted the next POTUS in.
    You mention half and half, what are you?

    I'm not anything.

    I'm a neutral observer. I'm just sitting back saying "Wow. That dipshit actually got elected." And then I typically laugh and shake my head. Maybe make a Cletus joke or two.

    You're a neutral observer as well too, eh? People around here probably don't know that given the way you seem to salivate over the idea of him and his orangeness.
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    Sorry... Fan...

    For the record: has this been one long running monologue of yours with the intent to mock Trump and his supporters...

    ... or are you actually this smitten with him?

    It's hard to tell.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
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    Sorry... Fan...
    For the record: has this been one long running monologue of yours with the intent to mock Trump and his supporters...
    ... or are you actually this smitten with him?
    It's hard to tell.

    Don't be sorry it's a sign of weakness for the record.
    I am smitten w/ President-elect Trump only when he gets my vote.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,304
    edited December 2016
    JC29856 said:

    JC29856 said:

    JC29856 said:

    CNN fired black woman Donna Brazile for colluding with the Clinton campaign, but still employs white male Wolf Blitzer for doing the same thing.
    RACISM AND SEXISM AT CNN

    That woman was part of the Clinton campaign. Was wolfe?
    I love your use of "that woman"!


    https://youtu.be/KiIP_KDQmXs
    Really? Your point was pointless and you come back with more pointless information?
    If a CNN "personality" were colluding with the Clinton campaign by feeding them debate questions hosted by CNN, would you suspect the one working directly with the campaign or the one not working with the campaign?
    Which of the CNN personalies should be held to the higher standard, a guest commentator or the network everyday anchor that is the face of CNN?
    You've been duped that this matters.

    When the forward thinking are focusing their attention on the person who is going to the white house and changing their lives, here you are worrying about one person passing a debate question to a failed campaign.

    You're living in the past, that will have no relevance on your future.

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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,318
    The whole transition process is being treated like an episode of celebrity apprentice. Trump tosses out random names and purposely incites people just for the hell of it. Somebody mentioned it earlier, but he does these things to get a rise out of the left and media and then acts like he never actually was going to do what was implied. He's treating it all like a reality show. I have no doubt that the whole Conway/Romney/Giulianni disagreement was a stunt to see how people reacted. It's sickening to see a president act in such a juvenile manner.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dignin said:

    JC29856 said:

    JC29856 said:

    JC29856 said:

    CNN fired black woman Donna Brazile for colluding with the Clinton campaign, but still employs white male Wolf Blitzer for doing the same thing.
    RACISM AND SEXISM AT CNN

    That woman was part of the Clinton campaign. Was wolfe?
    I love your use of "that woman"!


    https://youtu.be/KiIP_KDQmXs
    Really? Your point was pointless and you come back with more pointless information?
    If a CNN "personality" were colluding with the Clinton campaign by feeding them debate questions hosted by CNN, would you suspect the one working directly with the campaign or the one not working with the campaign?
    Which of the CNN personalies should be held to the higher standard, a guest commentator or the network everyday anchor that is the face of CNN?
    You've been duped that this matters.

    When the forward thinking are focusing their attention on the person who is going to the white house and changing their lives, here you are worrying about one person passing a debate question to a failed campaign.

    You're living in the past, that will have no relevance on your future.

    Repeat after me:
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    Only a neocon like BS would try to convince you that progress hasn't been made by withdrawing US troops from Iraq and subsequently going back in with support of a much lighter US footprint, in the form of special forces and trainers and encouraging the Iraqi's to fight for their country than his proclaimed hard and heavy occupation of 170,000+ that he's advocated for. Question is, will Trump invade Iraq? Iran? and/or Syria to eradicate ISIS and radical Islam as he promised to do? If not, how will he keep his campaign promise?

    Comparing Iraqi civilian deaths in the 6 years of the Bush Administration to the 6 and 8 years of the Obama Administration, we can see that progress was made:

    2003-2008 Bush: 105,934
    2009-2014 Obama: 48,341. Add 2015 and 2016 under Obama: 81,007. Still a difference of 24,927.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/269729/documented-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-war-since-2003/

    IMHO, even one Iraqi death is too many for a war that wasn't necessary, started under false pretenses and was poorly executed.

    Lets take a look at US casualties while were at it:

    2003-2008 Bush: 4,222
    2009-2012 Obama: 264

    And the drain on the US Treasury:

    2003-2008 Bush: $589.3 Billion
    2009-2012 Obama: $218.1 Billion

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/269827/iraq-war-spending-and-number-us-soldier-fatalities/

    Remove either the first two or last two years from the Bush years and the casualties and cost to the treasury are still more under Bush.

    Now, who's decision came with more terrible consequences both immediate and in the aftermath? And who opened Pandora's Box or started the "controlled burn" as you so pleasantly referred to waging war on innocents?

    Did you include Syrian and Libyan deaths in these numbers?
    Feel free to provide them and then make the case why the US should either be involved in preventing them or why they are Obama's responsibility. Remember, who opened Pandora's Box?
    Ha. So you didn't include them. That makes your comparison data meaningless. Way to turn in the assignment incomplete. F+. Click.
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426

    he trolled the right, and handily. it got him elected on promises he can never deliver on.

    the more ESP lies the more his people love him. Its like they think he's speaking in some special code to them.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    vaggar99 said:

    he trolled the right, and handily. it got him elected on promises he can never deliver on.

    the more ESP lies the more his people love him. Its like they think he's speaking in some special code to them.
    Special code:

    “hotdog” = boy

    “pizza” = girl

    “cheese” = little girl

    “pasta” = little boy

    “ice cream” = male prostitute

    “walnut” = person of colour

    “map” = semen

    “sauce” = orgy
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    you basically have millions thumbing there nose at those who seek the facts. bad situation here in the US.
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    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Only a neocon like BS would try to convince you that progress hasn't been made by withdrawing US troops from Iraq and subsequently going back in with support of a much lighter US footprint, in the form of special forces and trainers and encouraging the Iraqi's to fight for their country than his proclaimed hard and heavy occupation of 170,000+ that he's advocated for. Question is, will Trump invade Iraq? Iran? and/or Syria to eradicate ISIS and radical Islam as he promised to do? If not, how will he keep his campaign promise?

    Comparing Iraqi civilian deaths in the 6 years of the Bush Administration to the 6 and 8 years of the Obama Administration, we can see that progress was made:

    2003-2008 Bush: 105,934
    2009-2014 Obama: 48,341. Add 2015 and 2016 under Obama: 81,007. Still a difference of 24,927.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/269729/documented-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-war-since-2003/

    IMHO, even one Iraqi death is too many for a war that wasn't necessary, started under false pretenses and was poorly executed.

    Lets take a look at US casualties while were at it:

    2003-2008 Bush: 4,222
    2009-2012 Obama: 264

    And the drain on the US Treasury:

    2003-2008 Bush: $589.3 Billion
    2009-2012 Obama: $218.1 Billion

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/269827/iraq-war-spending-and-number-us-soldier-fatalities/

    Remove either the first two or last two years from the Bush years and the casualties and cost to the treasury are still more under Bush.

    Now, who's decision came with more terrible consequences both immediate and in the aftermath? And who opened Pandora's Box or started the "controlled burn" as you so pleasantly referred to waging war on innocents?

    Did you include Syrian and Libyan deaths in these numbers?
    Feel free to provide them and then make the case why the US should either be involved in preventing them or why they are Obama's responsibility. Remember, who opened Pandora's Box?
    Ha. So you didn't include them. That makes your comparison data meaningless. Way to turn in the assignment incomplete. F+. Click.
    Care to climb down from your elitist ivory tower and mingle with the little people or are you certain, like GWB, in your neocon ideology's perfection? "Peace through strength" and "compassionate conservatism" my ass. Intellectual dishonesty, absolutely.

    It's all okay because Trump is going to fix it all.
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,802

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Only a neocon like BS would try to convince you that progress hasn't been made by withdrawing US troops from Iraq and subsequently going back in with support of a much lighter US footprint, in the form of special forces and trainers and encouraging the Iraqi's to fight for their country than his proclaimed hard and heavy occupation of 170,000+ that he's advocated for. Question is, will Trump invade Iraq? Iran? and/or Syria to eradicate ISIS and radical Islam as he promised to do? If not, how will he keep his campaign promise?

    Comparing Iraqi civilian deaths in the 6 years of the Bush Administration to the 6 and 8 years of the Obama Administration, we can see that progress was made:

    2003-2008 Bush: 105,934
    2009-2014 Obama: 48,341. Add 2015 and 2016 under Obama: 81,007. Still a difference of 24,927.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/269729/documented-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-war-since-2003/

    IMHO, even one Iraqi death is too many for a war that wasn't necessary, started under false pretenses and was poorly executed.

    Lets take a look at US casualties while were at it:

    2003-2008 Bush: 4,222
    2009-2012 Obama: 264

    And the drain on the US Treasury:

    2003-2008 Bush: $589.3 Billion
    2009-2012 Obama: $218.1 Billion

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/269827/iraq-war-spending-and-number-us-soldier-fatalities/

    Remove either the first two or last two years from the Bush years and the casualties and cost to the treasury are still more under Bush.

    Now, who's decision came with more terrible consequences both immediate and in the aftermath? And who opened Pandora's Box or started the "controlled burn" as you so pleasantly referred to waging war on innocents?

    Did you include Syrian and Libyan deaths in these numbers?
    Feel free to provide them and then make the case why the US should either be involved in preventing them or why they are Obama's responsibility. Remember, who opened Pandora's Box?
    Ha. So you didn't include them. That makes your comparison data meaningless. Way to turn in the assignment incomplete. F+. Click.
    Care to climb down from your elitist ivory tower and mingle with the little people or are you certain, like GWB, in your neocon ideology's perfection? "Peace through strength" and "compassionate conservatism" my ass. Intellectual dishonesty, absolutely.

    It's all okay because Trump is going to fix it all.
    I feel like it oscillates between intellectual dishonesty and willful ignorance.
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    JC29856 said:

    PjfanWNL1...how about this one? These are the out of touch leaders of the Dem party the Hollywood stars and fake news pushers.

    https://youtu.be/PyEXshBOwEU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcx3fcNlnSM
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,802

    ^^^
    Fuck JC you come through in the clutch.
    So glad this explains why President-elect Trump won.

    I like how they parsed his speeches together to make it sound like trump can actually form compound-complex sentences.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,031

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    I had an ounce of respect for Mitt before that plate arrived. Trump honestly looks like the fucking devil in that picture, and Mitt looks like his unwitting minion.
    Flight Risk out NOW!

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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,995

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    I had an ounce of respect for Mitt before that plate arrived. Trump honestly looks like the fucking devil in that picture, and Mitt looks like his unwitting minion.
    My bigger problem is the meal. The thought of a caper raisin emulsion makes me want to heave, and replace that emulsion with my vomit which might taste and be texturally similar.
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    edited December 2016
    I want to be successful, but not to the point where I eat meals like that. I hate going to a fancy pants restaurant and when they bring my $60 meal out, I find myself wishing that I was at an In-N-Out Burger ....
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426

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    like two p's (as in vagina) in a pod.
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    vaggar99 said:

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    like two p's (as in vagina) in a pod.
    How un-deplorable and literate of you. Are you sure you didn't vote for Trump?
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,116
    edited December 2016
    http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/01/news/economy/bernie-sanders-oped-trump-carrier-washington-post/index.html?sr=fbmoney120116bernie-sanders-oped-trump-carrier-washington-post0333PMVODtopLink&linkId=31793464

    Interesting take. Massive amounts of money given to Carrier for 1,000 employees. Not worth it folks. And the precedent it sets for other companies to threaten to leave is immeasurable.
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    benjs said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Talk to me like I'm a novice. Didn't Bush Jr create the vacuum with the Iraq war?

    No. The Iraq war took the lid off Pandora's box and inserted America's military in the epicenter of a collapsing middle east. The withdrawal from Iraq along with the pullback of American leadership globally created the vacuum. It is all in the "knowing what you know now..." thread.
    Took the lid off Pandora's box.

    In other words... served as the catalyst.
    Kind of like starting wild fires in Tennessee and blaming the fire departments for the death and destruction.
    You have the analogy wrong. In some very dry locations forestry services will do something called a "controlled burn". It comes with some risk but the theory is if you burn some areas now it will prevent the almost certain raging fire later. So the correct analogy would be a new fire chief coming in 3/4 of the way through the controlled burn and saying "fuck it...the fire is pretty much under control and this isn't my problem anymore." At that point the raging fire begins.
    Nice of you to compare starting a war on innocents in Iraq and declaring premature victory as a "controlled burn." I wonder if holocaust survivors think of themselves in a similar fashion? No wonder Kissinger is an idol of yours.
    I took this so differently. Regardless of whether or not there was need for starting the war, Iraq became a controlled burn at the point of invasion: without adequate supervision, there existed the potential for chaos - which is where Obama's leadership was put to test by the strategy he chose. Of his four options - put more troops in, leave the same number of troops there, bring home some troops, completely withdraw - you could argue that he picked an option with a lot of volatility, especially given being warned about the potential for power vacuums to be filled by terrorist cells.

    I've seen this go back and forth on these boards for ages on the topic of Iraq, but I'll say that a President should be judged not only by the messes they create, but how they react to the messes they inherit - this is why a President must think holistically about an issue, be it domestic or foreign. On Iraq, Bush's creation of mess does not justify or excuse a bad report card on Obama's administration's Iraqi performance.
    Then I'm sure you gave him massive accolades for saving the train wreck of an economy he inherited?
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    benjs said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Talk to me like I'm a novice. Didn't Bush Jr create the vacuum with the Iraq war?

    No. The Iraq war took the lid off Pandora's box and inserted America's military in the epicenter of a collapsing middle east. The withdrawal from Iraq along with the pullback of American leadership globally created the vacuum. It is all in the "knowing what you know now..." thread.
    Took the lid off Pandora's box.

    In other words... served as the catalyst.
    Kind of like starting wild fires in Tennessee and blaming the fire departments for the death and destruction.
    You have the analogy wrong. In some very dry locations forestry services will do something called a "controlled burn". It comes with some risk but the theory is if you burn some areas now it will prevent the almost certain raging fire later. So the correct analogy would be a new fire chief coming in 3/4 of the way through the controlled burn and saying "fuck it...the fire is pretty much under control and this isn't my problem anymore." At that point the raging fire begins.
    Nice of you to compare starting a war on innocents in Iraq and declaring premature victory as a "controlled burn." I wonder if holocaust survivors think of themselves in a similar fashion? No wonder Kissinger is an idol of yours.
    I took this so differently. Regardless of whether or not there was need for starting the war, Iraq became a controlled burn at the point of invasion: without adequate supervision, there existed the potential for chaos - which is where Obama's leadership was put to test by the strategy he chose. Of his four options - put more troops in, leave the same number of troops there, bring home some troops, completely withdraw - you could argue that he picked an option with a lot of volatility, especially given being warned about the potential for power vacuums to be filled by terrorist cells.

    I've seen this go back and forth on these boards for ages on the topic of Iraq, but I'll say that a President should be judged not only by the messes they create, but how they react to the messes they inherit - this is why a President must think holistically about an issue, be it domestic or foreign. On Iraq, Bush's creation of mess does not justify or excuse a bad report card on Obama's administration's Iraqi performance.
    Then I'm sure you gave him massive accolades for saving the train wreck of an economy he inherited?
    Imagine what would have happened if trillions weren't given to the banks and investment houses?
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