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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,380
    benjs said:

    I think GF represents a typical human. He believes he knows best, he believes his logic or lack thereof is irrefutable, and he governs himself based on gut feelings and emotions - lest he be called 'cold', 'robotic', or 'unwaveringly idealistic'. People like this make up the masses, so it's important that we don't strictly focus on the impressionable, but also the ones who opine with conviction (regardless of what, or how much, logic they've used in the forming of their opinions).
    As mentioned by someone else....very well put.
    I appreciate your effort and it clearly comes from a good place.
  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,059

    He tried football before....he ran the USFL team into the ground that he owned
    As a Patriots fan, I don't mind if he does that to the Jets. They don't need any help really.
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,358

    As mentioned by someone else....very well put.
    I appreciate your effort and it clearly comes from a good place.
    Thanks Bentleyspop, really appreciate that!
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  • Free said:

    SOME people. Gern, Russell and some others have done nothing but apologize for Clinton.
    That's laughable.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,641

    well it don't matter, it was just an assumption on my part but I have to wonder how many people have a 275 day pollen attack and still can't keep from coughing ? she does not look healthy to me but I'm no doctor and I don't wish any illness on her or anyone, just sayin she don't look or sound good.

    Godfather.

    She looks and sounds just as good as Trump, so I don't understand what your problem is.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    g under p said:

    I think I'm getting to a crossroads here.....I'm here in Florida a much needed state by BOTH candidates. I see Trump everywhere I have to drive by his Mar Largo compound, His plane at PBI and his damn TI Golf Course. I know I'm not voting for Trump and I don't want to vote for Hillary either....it's like back in 2008 I was so fed up with politicians I voted for Ralph Nader. I feel like I'm right back there all over again. I'm still searching though.....

    Peace

    if this election was really depending on Florida for a winner then Trump would have it hands down, as you said I drive around and see nothing but Trump bumper stickers, yard signs and even a few business signs that support Trump (on US 1 near Hobe Sound) and everybody I've talked too about the election is voting Trump as well so it sure seems Trump owns this state and come to think of it I have not seen one Hillary bumper sticker or yard sign since I've been here.

    Godfather.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    I have seen a few trump signs. However, I have seen zero Hillary signs unless you want to count the Hillary for prison signs.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,641
    Free said:

    I never said all, in fact, It's never good to blanket label an entire group. There are just many here that have outright been Hillary apologists. Makes you wonder...
    Ugh, we get it. Can't you move on to something else, since pretty much no one agrees with you on this point anyhow? Maybe you could just copy and paste one standard post about all the "many" apologists here and keep posting it over and over and over again. Save yourself some time.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,120

    if this election was really depending on Florida for a winner then Trump would have it hands down, as you said I drive around and see nothing but Trump bumper stickers, yard signs and even a few business signs that support Trump (on US 1 near Hobe Sound) and everybody I've talked too about the election is voting Trump as well so it sure seems Trump owns this state and come to think of it I have not seen one Hillary bumper sticker or yard sign since I've been here.

    Godfather.
    Seriously?

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    benjs said:

    I think GF represents a typical human. He believes he knows best, he believes his logic or lack thereof is irrefutable, and he governs himself based on gut feelings and emotions - lest he be called 'cold', 'robotic', or 'unwaveringly idealistic'. People like this make up the masses, so it's important that we don't strictly focus on the impressionable, but also the ones who opine with conviction (regardless of what, or how much, logic they've used in the forming of their opinions).
    here on the train or anywhere else for that matter what I believe or you believe matters not, meaning that when we go to vote your opinion will not change my mind nor mine yours so all the "facts" and all the apologies for Hillary and the trash talking about both of them is meaningless........but it has been fun !

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    .......BTW benjs that was a good post.

    Godfather.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,641
    Can someone please show me a post where someone has apologized for Hillary? I'd just like a reference here, since it's the new catch phrase.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,875
    PJ_Soul said:

    Can someone please show me a post where someone has apologized for Hillary? I'd just like a reference here, since it's the new catch phrase.

    I get paid by the Clinton apology post, but I don't get paid if I re-post the same thing. This particular post is sort of grey, so I'm not sure it's part of my billable posts invoice. I'll have to check my standard operating procedure.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    mrussel1 said:

    I get paid by the Clinton apology post, but I don't get paid if I re-post the same thing. This particular post is sort of grey, so I'm not sure it's part of my billable posts invoice. I'll have to check my standard operating procedure.
    ????? HAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHA !!!!!!!!!!

    Godfather.

  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,907
    Tiki said:

    As a Patriots fan, I don't mind if he does that to the Jets. They don't need any help really.
    is that why the Pats cheat because they need the help? :rock_on:
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,358

    here on the train or anywhere else for that matter what I believe or you believe matters not, meaning that when we go to vote your opinion will not change my mind nor mine yours so all the "facts" and all the apologies for Hillary and the trash talking about both of them is meaningless........but it has been fun !

    Godfather.
    You've said this before, and I don't believe this is the case for you or me or anyone. Our positions are simply constructed from facts and bias. Take facts, add bias, and you have opinions. Opinions are fed to us, and those are what we use to form our positions. This is what happened to make any of us into a supporter of Candidate X. More impactful opinions can then be fed to us to grow our body of knowledge, and form better (or worse - if bias is far greater than factual basis) positions. So I truly believe that all of this, every single word we exchange here, is incredibly meaningful, and these conversations will absolutely drive change.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    so everyone thinks Trump is getting destroyed on election day. current CNN/ORC polling numbers suggest he now leads:

    http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/09/06/trump-edging-out-clinton-in-tight-election-contest-poll?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    so everyone thinks Trump is getting destroyed on election day. current CNN/ORC polling numbers suggest he now leads:

    http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/09/06/trump-edging-out-clinton-in-tight-election-contest-poll?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Not everyone
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    BS44325 said:

    Not everyone
    clearly.
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  • so everyone thinks Trump is getting destroyed on election day. current CNN/ORC polling numbers suggest he now leads:

    http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/09/06/trump-edging-out-clinton-in-tight-election-contest-poll?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    It's really Hillary apologists lying to the pollsters by saying they're supporting trump in an effort to make the trump campaign and his supporters overconfident and thus have them stay home on Election Day. Plus, polls are taken for dramatic effect and don't really matter.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    PJ_Soul said:

    Can someone please show me a post where someone has apologized for Hillary? I'd just like a reference here, since it's the new catch phrase.

    apologist
    noun [ C ] UK ​ /əˈpɒl.ə.dʒɪst/ US ​ /əˈpɑː.lə.dʒɪst/ formal

    a person who supports a particular belief or political system, especially an unpopular one, and speaks or writes in defence of it:
    communism and its apologists
    There are few apologists for the old system.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    BS44325 said:

    Not everyone
    I knew someone had to post the news of the polls.

    OH THE DRAMA!!
  • clearly.
    I think he loses by at least 10 points. The one thing Free and I do agree on are that polls are meaningless.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    Free said:

    I knew someone had to post the news of the polls.

    OH THE DRAMA!!
    it's not drama. why are polls considered meaningless?
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,907

    it's not drama. why are polls considered meaningless?
    because national voting percentages mean nothing. it's all about electoral votes. Trump without PA, OH, and/or VA can't win. he is still losing in those states.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    pjhawks said:

    because national voting percentages mean nothing. it's all about electoral votes. Trump without PA, OH, and/or VA can't win. he is still losing in those states.
    I assumed the polls would have taken that into consideration.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    Polls are a media tool to influence behavior. They are used to create drama to make you think that they matter when they really don't. Media has to create drama in one way or another anyway...
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    Free said:

    Polls are a media tool to influence behavior. They are used to create drama to make you think that they matter when they really don't. Media has to create drama in one way or another anyway...

    I'm not new to this idea, I just thought that maybe the polling tools would have been a little more sophisticated than that.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,120

    I assumed the polls would have taken that into consideration.
    It is odd to watch my news feed and see "Trump now leads Clinton by 2% Nationwide" and then a few minutes later see "Clinton maintains 6 point national lead over Trump"

    There are many many polls. What Nate Silver would say is that they are consistent. Some are consistently wrong and some are consistently right. His formula takes all of those into account.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus

    Even with Trump shrinking the polling gap he still shows Clinton with a 67% likelihood of being elected at this point. A few weeks ago it was closer to 80%
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  • I'm not new to this idea, I just thought that maybe the polling tools would have been a little more sophisticated than that.
    I don't think polls take electoral votes into consideration at all. Why would they?
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