Hillary won more votes for President

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    I'm thinking it might be the latter.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2012/07/05/mitt-romneys-financial-shell-game.html

    And I thought I remembered reading that Mitt earned $38K a day without getting out of bed because he received residuals from almost every deal he negotiated while at Bain. But somehow he's not shady?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    They all do it, influence peddle.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2015/09/29/forbes-2016-presidential-candidate-net-worth-list/#505f7f2f435d

    Corporations are people my friend. The only cure is to get the money out of politics but that ain't happening anytime soon. But why vilify Hillary for playing the game?
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  • polaris_x
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    brianlux said:



    Free said:
    "[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.

    The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."

    Yup!
    i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,190
    polaris_x said:

    brianlux said:



    Free said:
    "[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.

    The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."

    Yup!
    i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
    Actually some of us have made this argument before. Both Obama and Clinton are moderates that would pass as republicans 20 years ago.

    We know this. You are the ones that seem to have the problem grasping it.
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  • mrussel1
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    polaris_x said:

    brianlux said:



    Free said:
    "[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.

    The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."

    Yup!
    i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
    Except she is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-entitlements... What you are seeing is an opportunity for the Democrats to further expand its playing field, and its constituency. Trump has presented an opportunity of a lifetime and the Clinton campaign is wisely expanding its state reach and electoral advantage. White married women and college educated whites are moving towards the Dems. Good for her, good for the Democrats and good for the country.

    No one is avoiding anything....but don't expect a bunch of talk about an opinion piece.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559

    polaris_x said:

    brianlux said:



    Free said:
    "[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.

    The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."

    Yup!
    i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
    Actually some of us have made this argument before. Both Obama and Clinton are moderates that would pass as republicans 20 years ago.

    We know this. You are the ones that seem to have the problem grasping it.
    then why is it that so many people try to pass her off as a progressive when she clearly isn't?
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    polaris_x said:

    polaris_x said:

    brianlux said:



    Free said:
    "[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.

    The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."

    Yup!
    i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
    Actually some of us have made this argument before. Both Obama and Clinton are moderates that would pass as republicans 20 years ago.

    We know this. You are the ones that seem to have the problem grasping it.
    then why is it that so many people try to pass her off as a progressive when she clearly isn't?
    And that was an exact point from yesterday! That she is a progressive! :lol:
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    brianlux said:



    Free said:
    "[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.

    The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."

    Yup!
    i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
    Except she is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-entitlements... What you are seeing is an opportunity for the Democrats to further expand its playing field, and its constituency. Trump has presented an opportunity of a lifetime and the Clinton campaign is wisely expanding its state reach and electoral advantage. White married women and college educated whites are moving towards the Dems. Good for her, good for the Democrats and good for the country.

    No one is avoiding anything....but don't expect a bunch of talk about an opinion piece.
    is anything in the piece not factual?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    brianlux said:



    Free said:
    "[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.

    The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."

    Yup!
    i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
    Except she is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-entitlements... What you are seeing is an opportunity for the Democrats to further expand its playing field, and its constituency. Trump has presented an opportunity of a lifetime and the Clinton campaign is wisely expanding its state reach and electoral advantage. White married women and college educated whites are moving towards the Dems. Good for her, good for the Democrats and good for the country.

    No one is avoiding anything....but don't expect a bunch of talk about an opinion piece.
    is anything in the piece not factual?
    Well let's see:

    1. She completely avoids HRCs consistent voting patterns in the Senate which were 90+% liberal, instead pointing to DOMA (signed by her husband, not her) and forgetting the way the country was in the 90's.
    2. She completely forgets that Hillary put a ton of political and personal capital on the line to fight for health care as first lady. That was the issue that turned her into the punching back on the right.
    3. She pins the war on Clinton, as if she had any more information than anyone else regarding the intelligence. Secretary Powell was bamboozled as well.

    So in short, as usual with Dowd, she writes in a series of over stated adjectives and unnecessary hyperbole to make the case she is trying to make, without balancing it with any other information that makes a counter point. So in short, an opinion article, one to be discarded like every other opinion article.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    so supporting death penalty, patriot act, keystone, wall street bailouts, etc makes her a liberal!? ...

    and on iraq war - her access to intelligence actually makes her support even worse ... to send your country to war on a manufactured case is brutal ...
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    brianlux said:



    Free said:
    "[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.

    The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."

    Yup!
    i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
    Except she is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-entitlements... What you are seeing is an opportunity for the Democrats to further expand its playing field, and its constituency. Trump has presented an opportunity of a lifetime and the Clinton campaign is wisely expanding its state reach and electoral advantage. White married women and college educated whites are moving towards the Dems. Good for her, good for the Democrats and good for the country.

    No one is avoiding anything....but don't expect a bunch of talk about an opinion piece.
    This is so false it's laughable. Dems are leaving the party in record numbers.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,190
    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    brianlux said:



    Free said:
    "[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.

    The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."

    Yup!
    i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
    Except she is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-entitlements... What you are seeing is an opportunity for the Democrats to further expand its playing field, and its constituency. Trump has presented an opportunity of a lifetime and the Clinton campaign is wisely expanding its state reach and electoral advantage. White married women and college educated whites are moving towards the Dems. Good for her, good for the Democrats and good for the country.

    No one is avoiding anything....but don't expect a bunch of talk about an opinion piece.
    This is so false it's laughable. Dems are leaving the party in record numbers.
    What is laughable are the GOP members that are coming out in favor of Clinton over Trump.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/290923-clinton-republicans-are-2016-trend
    “Remember that term ‘Reagan Democrat?’” Adam Parkhomenko, the founder of the super-PAC Ready for Hillary wrote in a post on Twitter over the weekend. “Hearing a lot of ‘Clinton Republican’ nowadays.”

    Republicans for Clinton include top GOP fundraiser and former tech executive Meg Whitman, former Michigan governor William Milliken, former MGM CEO and GOP donor Harry Sloan and retiring Rep. Richard Hanna (N.Y.).
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562

    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    brianlux said:



    Free said:
    "[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.

    The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."

    Yup!
    i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
    Except she is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-entitlements... What you are seeing is an opportunity for the Democrats to further expand its playing field, and its constituency. Trump has presented an opportunity of a lifetime and the Clinton campaign is wisely expanding its state reach and electoral advantage. White married women and college educated whites are moving towards the Dems. Good for her, good for the Democrats and good for the country.

    No one is avoiding anything....but don't expect a bunch of talk about an opinion piece.
    This is so false it's laughable. Dems are leaving the party in record numbers.
    What is laughable are the GOP members that are coming out in favor of Clinton over Trump.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/290923-clinton-republicans-are-2016-trend
    “Remember that term ‘Reagan Democrat?’” Adam Parkhomenko, the founder of the super-PAC Ready for Hillary wrote in a post on Twitter over the weekend. “Hearing a lot of ‘Clinton Republican’ nowadays.”

    Republicans for Clinton include top GOP fundraiser and former tech executive Meg Whitman, former Michigan governor William Milliken, former MGM CEO and GOP donor Harry Sloan and retiring Rep. Richard Hanna (N.Y.).
    Nothing surprising about that. She is a closet republican after all.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    brianlux said:



    Free said:
    "[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.

    The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."

    Yup!
    i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
    Except she is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-entitlements... What you are seeing is an opportunity for the Democrats to further expand its playing field, and its constituency. Trump has presented an opportunity of a lifetime and the Clinton campaign is wisely expanding its state reach and electoral advantage. White married women and college educated whites are moving towards the Dems. Good for her, good for the Democrats and good for the country.

    No one is avoiding anything....but don't expect a bunch of talk about an opinion piece.
    This is so false it's laughable. Dems are leaving the party in record numbers.
    And going where? The libertarians are far out polling the Greens
  • brianlux
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    Free said:
    I can understand why some might want to support Hillary to defeat Trump but describing HRC as "progressive" is beyond imagining. It's like saying The Partridge Family are hare core punk.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    brianlux said:

    Free said:
    I can understand why some might want to support Hillary to defeat Trump but describing HRC as "progressive" is beyond imagining. It's like saying The Partridge Family are hare core punk.
    I'm progressive and she is progressive enough for me. Are you the keeper of the definition or do we all get opinions?
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited August 2016
    From what you reveal of yourself here Russell, you are no progressive. Very funny that you think this actually. :lol:
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Free said:

    From what you reveal of yourself here Russell, you are no progressive. Very funny that you think this actually. :lol:

    Again, your litmus test. All I see are the same tendencies that the Tea Party and alt-right uses. And how has that worked out? The TP is dead. The alt-right could lose by 250 EVs. Purists are so blinded by ideology that they fail to see their lack of appeal. So they retreat to their echo chambers and can't figure out why they lose.
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