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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    edited July 2016
    tonifig8 said:

    Free said:

    tonifig8 said:

    tonifig8 said:

    The convention is now taking Bernie signs!

    Free said:

    A note to Sarah Silverman:

    Bernie Backer Rosario Dawson: We’re Not Going to ‘Fall in Line’ Behind Hillary, Hillary Clinton is not a Leader

    A video for all the Hillary supporters thinking we need to "blindly follow"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUKrQuiYnYU


    Dude, where is Nina Turner? I was hoping she would become the new leader of our movement.
    I haven't seen or heard anything from her. I wonder if she fell in line or if she will continue the fight without Sanders.
    I don't know! But I found this from 2 days ago.
    DNC needs to 'clean house'

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/sanders-supporter-dnc-needs-to-clean-house-731255875911
    Damn! She's fucking brilliant!! I hope she doesn't fall in line man.... In my opinion she is the future of our movement. Such an intelligent, passionate, and brilliant individual.



    I definitely like what Turner she said in the link. She gives hope for the Democratic Party although I still believe we need more than a two party system.
    Post edited by brianlux on
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  • Gern Blansten
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    mrussel1 said:

    Edit - Who are you to determine that I'm "BLINDLY" supporting anyone. I know exactly what the fuck I'm doing and all the warts that come with it. But I live in the real world and there are real consequences. I don't give a flying fuck about Whitewater, deleted emails or any of that shit. I care who has the nuclear codes. I care about the future of NATO. I care about keeping the Korean Peninsula nuclear free. I care about the JPOA.

    Exactly...

    It's going to be Clinton or Trump. I'll take Clinton all day. If you want Trump then don't vote for Clinton.
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  • polaris_x
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    mrussel1 said:

    The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.

    convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.

    convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...
    Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.

    On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.

    convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...
    Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.

    On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
    No doubt Trump would be worse than Clinton. Kind of like 150 bee stings would be worse than 100 bee stings. :bee:
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  • polaris_x
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    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.

    convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...
    Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.

    On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
    does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...

    as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.

    convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...
    Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.

    On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
    does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...

    as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
    Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Honestly, I'm still having a hard time seeing much difference (certainly no significant difference) between the GOP and the Dems.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    brianlux said:

    Honestly, I'm still having a hard time seeing much difference (certainly no significant difference) between the GOP and the Dems.

    You really don't see the difference on the social issues?
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.

    convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...
    Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.

    On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
    does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...

    as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
    Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.
    You make it sound like Trump represents the GOP ... I'm pretty sure most of the GOP have no interest in getting out of Korea or any other country for that matter ... it's just not gonna be on the agenda ... nor is leaving NATO ... and my guess is if Trump wins POTUS - Dems get the House back this November and we go full circle YET AGAIN ...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    Honestly, I'm still having a hard time seeing much difference (certainly no significant difference) between the GOP and the Dems.

    You really don't see the difference on the social issues?
    Sure, a difference, but in terms of real progress? Nah. And as for environment- same thing. Like 150 bee stings as opposed to 100. If your sensitive to bees, you're going to die either way. Neither party has the right stuff.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    Phool said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    tonifig8 said:

    The convention is now taking Bernie signs! Thanks for the apology DNC

    https://mobile.twitter.com/regated/status/757690019138117632

    What apology? I don't understand your comment.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/dnc-apologizes-to-sanders-for-inexcusable-remarks-in-email-leak-226149
    Thanks. Huh. I assumed that these kinds of comments and this kind of bias was par for the course, which is why everyone was complaining about it being a rigged game for the past six months at least. Funny how people only react once they see things in writing, even though the writing reveals no surprises. If anything, the emails were tamer than I would have expected (not saying this to suggest it's okay btw. It's not).
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    edited July 2016
    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.

    convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...
    Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.

    On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
    does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...

    as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
    Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.
    You make it sound like Trump represents the GOP ... I'm pretty sure most of the GOP have no interest in getting out of Korea or any other country for that matter ... it's just not gonna be on the agenda ... nor is leaving NATO ... and my guess is if Trump wins POTUS - Dems get the House back this November and we go full circle YET AGAIN ...
    Negative. He could handle Korea and possibly NATO with an executive order.

    And I disagree with the assessment that Dems could win the House and lose the POTUS. People rarely split tickets so it's about turnout. Elections come in waves.
    Post edited by mrussel1 on
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.

    convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...
    Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.

    On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
    does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...

    as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
    Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.
    So just how much would it cost to repeal Obamacare?? How many billions?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.

    convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...
    Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.

    On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
    does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...

    as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
    Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.
    So just how much would it cost to repeal Obamacare?? How many billions?
    Don't know.. but they've voted on it more than 60x.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.

    convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...
    Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.

    On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
    does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...

    as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
    Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.
    So just how much would it cost to repeal Obamacare?? How many billions?
    Don't know.. but they've voted on it more than 60x.
    And then I wonder what Trump would intend to do with the millions of people who would again be left without healthcare? I love how Trump just says what he's going to do without even a suggestions of how he's going to do it. And as far as I can tell, his supporters don't even really think to ask. Bizarre.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.

    convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...
    Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.

    On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
    does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...

    as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
    Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.
    You make it sound like Trump represents the GOP ... I'm pretty sure most of the GOP have no interest in getting out of Korea or any other country for that matter ... it's just not gonna be on the agenda ... nor is leaving NATO ... and my guess is if Trump wins POTUS - Dems get the House back this November and we go full circle YET AGAIN ...
    Negative. He could handle Korea and possibly NATO with an executive order.

    And I disagree with the assessment that Dems could win the House and lose the POTUS. People rarely split tickets so it's about turnout. Elections come in waves.
    sorry ... not gonna happen ... and in all honesty ... so what if it does? ... either s. korea pays for military support or it then relies on UN help ...

    i think all the lefties and moderates will give control of the house to the dems ...
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,966
    No name-calling here, thank you. It will put posting privileges at risk and is not within the Posting Guidelines.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    Good god these people