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You want to talk about a woman's right to choose? How about the way Clinton put down young women voters for being Sanders supporters?
The scare tactics are getting really old.Gern Blansten said:
Exactly...mrussel1 said:Edit - Who are you to determine that I'm "BLINDLY" supporting anyone. I know exactly what the fuck I'm doing and all the warts that come with it. But I live in the real world and there are real consequences. I don't give a flying fuck about Whitewater, deleted emails or any of that shit. I care who has the nuclear codes. I care about the future of NATO. I care about keeping the Korean Peninsula nuclear free. I care about the JPOA.
It's going to be Clinton or Trump. I'll take Clinton all day. If you want Trump then don't vote for Clinton.
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Does she support repealing women's suffrage, because that's the equivalent of a Trump Scotus.Free said:You want to talk about a woman's right to choose? How about the way Clinton put down young women voters for being Sanders supporters?
The scare tactics are getting really old.Gern Blansten said:
Exactly...mrussel1 said:Edit - Who are you to determine that I'm "BLINDLY" supporting anyone. I know exactly what the fuck I'm doing and all the warts that come with it. But I live in the real world and there are real consequences. I don't give a flying fuck about Whitewater, deleted emails or any of that shit. I care who has the nuclear codes. I care about the future of NATO. I care about keeping the Korean Peninsula nuclear free. I care about the JPOA.
It's going to be Clinton or Trump. I'll take Clinton all day. If you want Trump then don't vote for Clinton.0 -
Whew. Glad you typed these compelling words to alleviate the concern.polaris_x said:
sorry ... not gonna happen ... and in all honesty ... so what if it does? ... either s. korea pays for military support or it then relies on UN help ...mrussel1 said:
Negative. He could handle Korea and possibly NATO with an executive order.polaris_x said:
You make it sound like Trump represents the GOP ... I'm pretty sure most of the GOP have no interest in getting out of Korea or any other country for that matter ... it's just not gonna be on the agenda ... nor is leaving NATO ... and my guess is if Trump wins POTUS - Dems get the House back this November and we go full circle YET AGAIN ...mrussel1 said:
Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.polaris_x said:
does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...mrussel1 said:
Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.polaris_x said:
convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...mrussel1 said:The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.
On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
And I disagree with the assessment that Dems could win the House and lose the POTUS. People rarely split tickets so it's about turnout. Elections come in waves.
i think all the lefties and moderates will give control of the house to the dems ...0 -
sorry if that was not sufficient to you but you haven't made the case that things are gonna be much different ... really!? ... the US leaving NATO? ... that's the kind of divisive rhetoric that has made elections a complete gong show ... the level of discourse is so low that people continue to barrel down a highway with no brakes on ...mrussel1 said:
Whew. Glad you typed these compelling words to alleviate the concern.polaris_x said:
sorry ... not gonna happen ... and in all honesty ... so what if it does? ... either s. korea pays for military support or it then relies on UN help ...mrussel1 said:
Negative. He could handle Korea and possibly NATO with an executive order.polaris_x said:
You make it sound like Trump represents the GOP ... I'm pretty sure most of the GOP have no interest in getting out of Korea or any other country for that matter ... it's just not gonna be on the agenda ... nor is leaving NATO ... and my guess is if Trump wins POTUS - Dems get the House back this November and we go full circle YET AGAIN ...mrussel1 said:
Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.polaris_x said:
does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...mrussel1 said:
Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.polaris_x said:
convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...mrussel1 said:The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.
On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
And I disagree with the assessment that Dems could win the House and lose the POTUS. People rarely split tickets so it's about turnout. Elections come in waves.
i think all the lefties and moderates will give control of the house to the dems ...0 -
You are cherry picking one point in a list. What about the SCOTUS? You think Sota would be a justice in a Trump Administration? What about JPOA and Obamacare?polaris_x said:
sorry if that was not sufficient to you but you haven't made the case that things are gonna be much different ... really!? ... the US leaving NATO? ... that's the kind of divisive rhetoric that has made elections a complete gong show ... the level of discourse is so low that people continue to barrel down a highway with no brakes on ...mrussel1 said:
Whew. Glad you typed these compelling words to alleviate the concern.polaris_x said:
sorry ... not gonna happen ... and in all honesty ... so what if it does? ... either s. korea pays for military support or it then relies on UN help ...mrussel1 said:
Negative. He could handle Korea and possibly NATO with an executive order.polaris_x said:
You make it sound like Trump represents the GOP ... I'm pretty sure most of the GOP have no interest in getting out of Korea or any other country for that matter ... it's just not gonna be on the agenda ... nor is leaving NATO ... and my guess is if Trump wins POTUS - Dems get the House back this November and we go full circle YET AGAIN ...mrussel1 said:
Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.polaris_x said:
does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...mrussel1 said:
Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.polaris_x said:
convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...mrussel1 said:The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.
On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
And I disagree with the assessment that Dems could win the House and lose the POTUS. People rarely split tickets so it's about turnout. Elections come in waves.
i think all the lefties and moderates will give control of the house to the dems ...0 -
i'd say the same thing about s. korea and JPOA ... he doesn't wake up as POTUS and get to do these things arbitrarily ... it just doesn't work that way ... on SCOTUS - who's trump gonna nominate!? ... i'd like to actually see who this bogeyperson is ... his rhetoric is all over the place ...mrussel1 said:
You are cherry picking one point in a list. What about the SCOTUS? You think Sota would be a justice in a Trump Administration? What about JPOA and Obamacare?polaris_x said:
sorry if that was not sufficient to you but you haven't made the case that things are gonna be much different ... really!? ... the US leaving NATO? ... that's the kind of divisive rhetoric that has made elections a complete gong show ... the level of discourse is so low that people continue to barrel down a highway with no brakes on ...mrussel1 said:
Whew. Glad you typed these compelling words to alleviate the concern.polaris_x said:
sorry ... not gonna happen ... and in all honesty ... so what if it does? ... either s. korea pays for military support or it then relies on UN help ...mrussel1 said:
Negative. He could handle Korea and possibly NATO with an executive order.polaris_x said:
You make it sound like Trump represents the GOP ... I'm pretty sure most of the GOP have no interest in getting out of Korea or any other country for that matter ... it's just not gonna be on the agenda ... nor is leaving NATO ... and my guess is if Trump wins POTUS - Dems get the House back this November and we go full circle YET AGAIN ...mrussel1 said:
Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.polaris_x said:
does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...mrussel1 said:
Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.polaris_x said:
convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...mrussel1 said:The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.
On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
And I disagree with the assessment that Dems could win the House and lose the POTUS. People rarely split tickets so it's about turnout. Elections come in waves.
i think all the lefties and moderates will give control of the house to the dems ...
as for obamacare ... that is probably in play ... in the end tho - much of the policies will be similar just like they were with the last few admins ...0 -
What? He published the list of justices. And JPOA did not need to be ratified by the Senate therefore he can pull us from the agreement. Your head is in the sand or you aren't paying attention.polaris_x said:
i'd say the same thing about s. korea and JPOA ... he doesn't wake up as POTUS and get to do these things arbitrarily ... it just doesn't work that way ... on SCOTUS - who's trump gonna nominate!? ... i'd like to actually see who this bogeyperson is ... his rhetoric is all over the place ...mrussel1 said:
You are cherry picking one point in a list. What about the SCOTUS? You think Sota would be a justice in a Trump Administration? What about JPOA and Obamacare?polaris_x said:
sorry if that was not sufficient to you but you haven't made the case that things are gonna be much different ... really!? ... the US leaving NATO? ... that's the kind of divisive rhetoric that has made elections a complete gong show ... the level of discourse is so low that people continue to barrel down a highway with no brakes on ...mrussel1 said:
Whew. Glad you typed these compelling words to alleviate the concern.polaris_x said:
sorry ... not gonna happen ... and in all honesty ... so what if it does? ... either s. korea pays for military support or it then relies on UN help ...mrussel1 said:
Negative. He could handle Korea and possibly NATO with an executive order.polaris_x said:
You make it sound like Trump represents the GOP ... I'm pretty sure most of the GOP have no interest in getting out of Korea or any other country for that matter ... it's just not gonna be on the agenda ... nor is leaving NATO ... and my guess is if Trump wins POTUS - Dems get the House back this November and we go full circle YET AGAIN ...mrussel1 said:
Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.polaris_x said:
does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...mrussel1 said:
Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.polaris_x said:
convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...mrussel1 said:The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.
On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
And I disagree with the assessment that Dems could win the House and lose the POTUS. People rarely split tickets so it's about turnout. Elections come in waves.
i think all the lefties and moderates will give control of the house to the dems ...
as for obamacare ... that is probably in play ... in the end tho - much of the policies will be similar just like they were with the last few admins ...0 -
ya ... i've seen the list ... but who on that list!? ... there is like over 10 people on that list ... and what if the US pulls out of the JCPOA? ... similar to all the other issues you've raised - these are international relations that is more complex than just being in or out ...mrussel1 said:
What? He published the list of justices. And JPOA did not need to be ratified by the Senate therefore he can pull us from the agreement. Your head is in the sand or you aren't paying attention.polaris_x said:
i'd say the same thing about s. korea and JPOA ... he doesn't wake up as POTUS and get to do these things arbitrarily ... it just doesn't work that way ... on SCOTUS - who's trump gonna nominate!? ... i'd like to actually see who this bogeyperson is ... his rhetoric is all over the place ...mrussel1 said:
You are cherry picking one point in a list. What about the SCOTUS? You think Sota would be a justice in a Trump Administration? What about JPOA and Obamacare?polaris_x said:
sorry if that was not sufficient to you but you haven't made the case that things are gonna be much different ... really!? ... the US leaving NATO? ... that's the kind of divisive rhetoric that has made elections a complete gong show ... the level of discourse is so low that people continue to barrel down a highway with no brakes on ...mrussel1 said:
Whew. Glad you typed these compelling words to alleviate the concern.polaris_x said:
sorry ... not gonna happen ... and in all honesty ... so what if it does? ... either s. korea pays for military support or it then relies on UN help ...mrussel1 said:
Negative. He could handle Korea and possibly NATO with an executive order.polaris_x said:
You make it sound like Trump represents the GOP ... I'm pretty sure most of the GOP have no interest in getting out of Korea or any other country for that matter ... it's just not gonna be on the agenda ... nor is leaving NATO ... and my guess is if Trump wins POTUS - Dems get the House back this November and we go full circle YET AGAIN ...mrussel1 said:
Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.polaris_x said:
does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...mrussel1 said:
Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.polaris_x said:
convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...mrussel1 said:The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.
On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
And I disagree with the assessment that Dems could win the House and lose the POTUS. People rarely split tickets so it's about turnout. Elections come in waves.
i think all the lefties and moderates will give control of the house to the dems ...
as for obamacare ... that is probably in play ... in the end tho - much of the policies will be similar just like they were with the last few admins ...0 -
I guess I wrote all of this thinking you had knowledge of the ramifications of the positions. It's not like JPOA was insignificant. If your argument is these issues are unimportant or, I don't know these judges so I'm not worried, then I can't help you or convince you. But this is part and parcel of the Bernie or Bust supporters who have deluded themselves into thinking there are no consequences to this election anymore.polaris_x said:
ya ... i've seen the list ... but who on that list!? ... there is like over 10 people on that list ... and what if the US pulls out of the JCPOA? ... similar to all the other issues you've raised - these are international relations that is more complex than just being in or out ...mrussel1 said:
What? He published the list of justices. And JPOA did not need to be ratified by the Senate therefore he can pull us from the agreement. Your head is in the sand or you aren't paying attention.polaris_x said:
i'd say the same thing about s. korea and JPOA ... he doesn't wake up as POTUS and get to do these things arbitrarily ... it just doesn't work that way ... on SCOTUS - who's trump gonna nominate!? ... i'd like to actually see who this bogeyperson is ... his rhetoric is all over the place ...mrussel1 said:
You are cherry picking one point in a list. What about the SCOTUS? You think Sota would be a justice in a Trump Administration? What about JPOA and Obamacare?polaris_x said:
sorry if that was not sufficient to you but you haven't made the case that things are gonna be much different ... really!? ... the US leaving NATO? ... that's the kind of divisive rhetoric that has made elections a complete gong show ... the level of discourse is so low that people continue to barrel down a highway with no brakes on ...mrussel1 said:
Whew. Glad you typed these compelling words to alleviate the concern.polaris_x said:
sorry ... not gonna happen ... and in all honesty ... so what if it does? ... either s. korea pays for military support or it then relies on UN help ...mrussel1 said:
Negative. He could handle Korea and possibly NATO with an executive order.polaris_x said:
You make it sound like Trump represents the GOP ... I'm pretty sure most of the GOP have no interest in getting out of Korea or any other country for that matter ... it's just not gonna be on the agenda ... nor is leaving NATO ... and my guess is if Trump wins POTUS - Dems get the House back this November and we go full circle YET AGAIN ...mrussel1 said:
Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.polaris_x said:
does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...mrussel1 said:
Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.polaris_x said:
convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...mrussel1 said:The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.
On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
And I disagree with the assessment that Dems could win the House and lose the POTUS. People rarely split tickets so it's about turnout. Elections come in waves.
i think all the lefties and moderates will give control of the house to the dems ...
as for obamacare ... that is probably in play ... in the end tho - much of the policies will be similar just like they were with the last few admins ...0 -
it's not that the issues are insignificant just that you make assumptions that everything is going to happen like it's just a matter of him doing it ... the JPOA is an agreement with 6 other countries ... it's like BREXIT - it's not like it just happens ... ultimately if he wants the US to leave the JPOA - then aspects of the deal will get negotiated like everything else ... it's not like Iran is going to have nukes because Trump wants a new deal ... which by the way is his position not necessarily that he wants out ... the guy is a businessman through and through ... he's creating conditions for which he can best get his desired outcome ...mrussel1 said:
I guess I wrote all of this thinking you had knowledge of the ramifications of the positions. It's not like JPOA was insignificant. If your argument is these issues are unimportant or, I don't know these judges so I'm not worried, then I can't help you or convince you. But this is part and parcel of the Bernie or Bust supporters who have deluded themselves into thinking there are no consequences to this election anymore.polaris_x said:
ya ... i've seen the list ... but who on that list!? ... there is like over 10 people on that list ... and what if the US pulls out of the JCPOA? ... similar to all the other issues you've raised - these are international relations that is more complex than just being in or out ...mrussel1 said:
What? He published the list of justices. And JPOA did not need to be ratified by the Senate therefore he can pull us from the agreement. Your head is in the sand or you aren't paying attention.polaris_x said:
i'd say the same thing about s. korea and JPOA ... he doesn't wake up as POTUS and get to do these things arbitrarily ... it just doesn't work that way ... on SCOTUS - who's trump gonna nominate!? ... i'd like to actually see who this bogeyperson is ... his rhetoric is all over the place ...mrussel1 said:
You are cherry picking one point in a list. What about the SCOTUS? You think Sota would be a justice in a Trump Administration? What about JPOA and Obamacare?polaris_x said:
sorry if that was not sufficient to you but you haven't made the case that things are gonna be much different ... really!? ... the US leaving NATO? ... that's the kind of divisive rhetoric that has made elections a complete gong show ... the level of discourse is so low that people continue to barrel down a highway with no brakes on ...mrussel1 said:
Whew. Glad you typed these compelling words to alleviate the concern.polaris_x said:
sorry ... not gonna happen ... and in all honesty ... so what if it does? ... either s. korea pays for military support or it then relies on UN help ...mrussel1 said:
Negative. He could handle Korea and possibly NATO with an executive order.polaris_x said:
You make it sound like Trump represents the GOP ... I'm pretty sure most of the GOP have no interest in getting out of Korea or any other country for that matter ... it's just not gonna be on the agenda ... nor is leaving NATO ... and my guess is if Trump wins POTUS - Dems get the House back this November and we go full circle YET AGAIN ...mrussel1 said:
Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.polaris_x said:
does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...mrussel1 said:
Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.polaris_x said:
convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...mrussel1 said:The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.
On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
And I disagree with the assessment that Dems could win the House and lose the POTUS. People rarely split tickets so it's about turnout. Elections come in waves.
i think all the lefties and moderates will give control of the house to the dems ...
as for obamacare ... that is probably in play ... in the end tho - much of the policies will be similar just like they were with the last few admins ...
listen ... i'm not even a bernie supporter ... all I know for certain - in the larger picture, there's been hardly movement in the US during obama as with W ... it's just swung as to what special interests get more of the pie ... is hillary gonna get the US out of the middle east? ... is the US still gonna support the apartheid regime in Israel? ... is there gonna be any real concrete movement against global warming ... the influence of corporations in foreign and domestic policy? ... anything? ... no ... it's gonna be business as usual ...0 -
And this is why Trump will be your next POTUS.polaris_x said:mrussel1 said:
I guess I wrote all of this thinking you had knowledge of the ramifications of the positions. It's not like JPOA was insignificant. If your argument is these issues are unimportant or, I don't know these judges so I'm not worried, then I can't help you or convince you. But this is part and parcel of the Bernie or Bust supporters who have deluded themselves into thinking there are no consequences to this election anymore.polaris_x said:
ya ... i've seen the list ... but who on that list!? ... there is like over 10 people on that list ... and what if the US pulls out of the JCPOA? ... similar to all the other issues you've raised - these are international relations that is more complex than just being in or out ...mrussel1 said:
What? He published the list of justices. And JPOA did not need to be ratified by the Senate therefore he can pull us from the agreement. Your head is in the sand or you aren't paying attention.polaris_x said:
i'd say the same thing about s. korea and JPOA ... he doesn't wake up as POTUS and get to do these things arbitrarily ... it just doesn't work that way ... on SCOTUS - who's trump gonna nominate!? ... i'd like to actually see who this bogeyperson is ... his rhetoric is all over the place ...mrussel1 said:
You are cherry picking one point in a list. What about the SCOTUS? You think Sota would be a justice in a Trump Administration? What about JPOA and Obamacare?polaris_x said:
sorry if that was not sufficient to you but you haven't made the case that things are gonna be much different ... really!? ... the US leaving NATO? ... that's the kind of divisive rhetoric that has made elections a complete gong show ... the level of discourse is so low that people continue to barrel down a highway with no brakes on ...mrussel1 said:
Whew. Glad you typed these compelling words to alleviate the concern.polaris_x said:
sorry ... not gonna happen ... and in all honesty ... so what if it does? ... either s. korea pays for military support or it then relies on UN help ...mrussel1 said:
Negative. He could handle Korea and possibly NATO with an executive order.polaris_x said:
You make it sound like Trump represents the GOP ... I'm pretty sure most of the GOP have no interest in getting out of Korea or any other country for that matter ... it's just not gonna be on the agenda ... nor is leaving NATO ... and my guess is if Trump wins POTUS - Dems get the House back this November and we go full circle YET AGAIN ...mrussel1 said:
Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.polaris_x said:
does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...mrussel1 said:
Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.polaris_x said:
convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...mrussel1 said:The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.
On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
And I disagree with the assessment that Dems could win the House and lose the POTUS. People rarely split tickets so it's about turnout. Elections come in waves.
i think all the lefties and moderates will give control of the house to the dems ...
as for obamacare ... that is probably in play ... in the end tho - much of the policies will be similar just like they were with the last few admins ...
listen ... i'm not even a bernie supporter ... all I know for certain - in the larger picture, there's been hardly movement in the US during obama as with W ... it's just swung as to what special interests get more of the pie ... is hillary gonna get the US out of the middle east? ... is the US still gonna support the apartheid regime in Israel? ... is there gonna be any real concrete movement against global warming ... the influence of corporations in foreign and domestic policy? ... anything? ... no ... it's gonna be business as usual ...
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The stuff Bernie taught us:
1. Its not the ruling few who have power, its we people. We can fund our own campaigns and use multi-functioned voices of the diverse population to create representatives.
2. Go out there to the public with your ideas and your courage.
3. Listen to the people and incorporate their ideas with yours.
4. Stand up for your convictions, your morals and your heart's desires. There is nothing to fear but fear itself.
5. Get the money out of politics. Big money and its manipulations are polluting the entire world.
6. Get out of your houses and cars; see the country, talk to people.
Play and sing and march together.
7. If we don't look after the health of our environment, it won't matter if we get jobs or a minimum wage. We first and foremost need clean air, water and clean organic soil.
8. The middle class is the back bone of our country. The most vulnerable must be looked after, cared for and helped to their feet.
9. We must break up the big banking cartels and Wall Street must pay taxes, as well as all the big corporations. No American job can be outsourced.
10. We must put the money into our own country, make peace with the world and concentrate on educating our own people.
11. We must always tell the truth.0 -
What? In politics?Free said:The stuff Bernie taught us:
1. Its not the ruling few who have power, its we people. We can fund our own campaigns and use multi-functioned voices of the diverse population to create representatives.
Really? Bernie taught you that? Not your 3rd grade teacher?
2. Go out there to the public with your ideas and your courage.
This has been how campaigning has been done for over 100 years?
3. Listen to the people and incorporate their ideas with yours.
Didn't Ross Perot teach us this in 92?
4. Stand up for your convictions, your morals and your heart's desires. There is nothing to fear but fear itself.
sounds vaguely familiar...
5. Get the money out of politics. Big money and its manipulations are polluting the entire world.
I'm not sure how he taught you that.
6. Get out of your houses and cars; see the country, talk to people.
Play and sing and march together.
Remember the 60s?
7. If we don't look after the health of our environment, it won't matter if we get jobs or a minimum wage. We first and foremost need clean air, water and clean organic soil.
Al gore?
8. The middle class is the back bone of our country. The most vulnerable must be looked after, cared for and helped to their feet.
This is not a new concept.
9. We must break up the big banking cartels and Wall Street must pay taxes, as well as all the big corporations. No American job can be outsourced.
Again, not a new concept. You should have heard this well before Bernies campaign started.
10. We must put the money into our own country, make peace with the world and concentrate on educating our own people.
This is also not an original sanders idea. Although I can't remember off the top of my head where I heard it.
11. We must always tell the truth.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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If we exit JPOA then there will sanctions which will tear the deal apart.polaris_x said:
it's not that the issues are insignificant just that you make assumptions that everything is going to happen like it's just a matter of him doing it ... the JPOA is an agreement with 6 other countries ... it's like BREXIT - it's not like it just happens ... ultimately if he wants the US to leave the JPOA - then aspects of the deal will get negotiated like everything else ... it's not like Iran is going to have nukes because Trump wants a new deal ... which by the way is his position not necessarily that he wants out ... the guy is a businessman through and through ... he's creating conditions for which he can best get his desired outcome ...mrussel1 said:
I guess I wrote all of this thinking you had knowledge of the ramifications of the positions. It's not like JPOA was insignificant. If your argument is these issues are unimportant or, I don't know these judges so I'm not worried, then I can't help you or convince you. But this is part and parcel of the Bernie or Bust supporters who have deluded themselves into thinking there are no consequences to this election anymore.polaris_x said:
ya ... i've seen the list ... but who on that list!? ... there is like over 10 people on that list ... and what if the US pulls out of the JCPOA? ... similar to all the other issues you've raised - these are international relations that is more complex than just being in or out ...mrussel1 said:
What? He published the list of justices. And JPOA did not need to be ratified by the Senate therefore he can pull us from the agreement. Your head is in the sand or you aren't paying attention.polaris_x said:
i'd say the same thing about s. korea and JPOA ... he doesn't wake up as POTUS and get to do these things arbitrarily ... it just doesn't work that way ... on SCOTUS - who's trump gonna nominate!? ... i'd like to actually see who this bogeyperson is ... his rhetoric is all over the place ...mrussel1 said:
You are cherry picking one point in a list. What about the SCOTUS? You think Sota would be a justice in a Trump Administration? What about JPOA and Obamacare?polaris_x said:
sorry if that was not sufficient to you but you haven't made the case that things are gonna be much different ... really!? ... the US leaving NATO? ... that's the kind of divisive rhetoric that has made elections a complete gong show ... the level of discourse is so low that people continue to barrel down a highway with no brakes on ...mrussel1 said:
Whew. Glad you typed these compelling words to alleviate the concern.polaris_x said:
sorry ... not gonna happen ... and in all honesty ... so what if it does? ... either s. korea pays for military support or it then relies on UN help ...mrussel1 said:
Negative. He could handle Korea and possibly NATO with an executive order.polaris_x said:
You make it sound like Trump represents the GOP ... I'm pretty sure most of the GOP have no interest in getting out of Korea or any other country for that matter ... it's just not gonna be on the agenda ... nor is leaving NATO ... and my guess is if Trump wins POTUS - Dems get the House back this November and we go full circle YET AGAIN ...mrussel1 said:
Yes, because the GOP controlled congress would push it through. A Trump victory means a strong GOP showing in the elections, so both House and Senate would likely have increased control. Right now a fillibuster and veto are the only things that protect against it. And if you think those three justices are bad, what will it look like when we have 2-3 more retiring justices? There will be a conservative super majority on the court. By contrast, with a Clinton victory, the progressives would take back the court starting with Scalia's seat.polaris_x said:
does your system of gov't really allow for all that? ... i don't think he can get any of that passed through either house ... obamacare is probably ripe for the pickings as that's been on the GOP agenda for some time ...mrussel1 said:
Have you not seen the judges he promised to appoint to the SCOTUS? They are all very conservative. Have you heard about leaving NATO? Pulling out of the Korean Peninsula? He promised to revoke JPOA as soon as he gets into office. He also promised to revoke Obamacare.polaris_x said:
convince me that any of that will change under a Trump presidency ... all I see with a Trump presidency is a combo of GWB and Rob Ford ... a lot of distractions and face palms but in reality - more of the status quo ... a further widening of the prosperity gap, more economic imperialism and a further corporatization of gov't ... all of which will happen under Clinton ...mrussel1 said:The irony is that YOU care more about her emails than you do about those things, a woman's right to choose, the CFPB and everything else that YOU are blind to because of your myopic view.
On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
as for SCOTUS - it's already a joke ... alito, roberts and thomas ... horrible ...
And I disagree with the assessment that Dems could win the House and lose the POTUS. People rarely split tickets so it's about turnout. Elections come in waves.
i think all the lefties and moderates will give control of the house to the dems ...
as for obamacare ... that is probably in play ... in the end tho - much of the policies will be similar just like they were with the last few admins ...
listen ... i'm not even a bernie supporter ... all I know for certain - in the larger picture, there's been hardly movement in the US during obama as with W ... it's just swung as to what special interests get more of the pie ... is hillary gonna get the US out of the middle east? ... is the US still gonna support the apartheid regime in Israel? ... is there gonna be any real concrete movement against global warming ... the influence of corporations in foreign and domestic policy? ... anything? ... no ... it's gonna be business as usual ...
So no changes under Obama... Okay. CFPB, Card Act, Obergfell, JPOA... Maybe not the pace some would like but progress is incremental and these changes are not so solidified like social,security where they are untouchable. They must be protected.
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Add ... when you get screwed over toss out your dignity and get behind and support the person that was part of the system that screwed you over ... hahaha.Free said:The stuff Bernie taught us:
1. Its not the ruling few who have power, its we people. We can fund our own campaigns and use multi-functioned voices of the diverse population to create representatives.
2. Go out there to the public with your ideas and your courage.
3. Listen to the people and incorporate their ideas with yours.
4. Stand up for your convictions, your morals and your heart's desires. There is nothing to fear but fear itself.
5. Get the money out of politics. Big money and its manipulations are polluting the entire world.
6. Get out of your houses and cars; see the country, talk to people.
Play and sing and march together.
7. If we don't look after the health of our environment, it won't matter if we get jobs or a minimum wage. We first and foremost need clean air, water and clean organic soil.
8. The middle class is the back bone of our country. The most vulnerable must be looked after, cared for and helped to their feet.
9. We must break up the big banking cartels and Wall Street must pay taxes, as well as all the big corporations. No American job can be outsourced.
10. We must put the money into our own country, make peace with the world and concentrate on educating our own people.
11. We must always tell the truth.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
Absolutely. It's all a great big sham.lukin2006 said:
Add ... when you get screwed over toss out your dignity and get behind and support the person that was part of the system that screwed you over ... hahaha.Free said:The stuff Bernie taught us:
1. Its not the ruling few who have power, its we people. We can fund our own campaigns and use multi-functioned voices of the diverse population to create representatives.
2. Go out there to the public with your ideas and your courage.
3. Listen to the people and incorporate their ideas with yours.
4. Stand up for your convictions, your morals and your heart's desires. There is nothing to fear but fear itself.
5. Get the money out of politics. Big money and its manipulations are polluting the entire world.
6. Get out of your houses and cars; see the country, talk to people.
Play and sing and march together.
7. If we don't look after the health of our environment, it won't matter if we get jobs or a minimum wage. We first and foremost need clean air, water and clean organic soil.
8. The middle class is the back bone of our country. The most vulnerable must be looked after, cared for and helped to their feet.
9. We must break up the big banking cartels and Wall Street must pay taxes, as well as all the big corporations. No American job can be outsourced.
10. We must put the money into our own country, make peace with the world and concentrate on educating our own people.
11. We must always tell the truth.
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^^^ Your system is rigged just like mine in Canada. I've long given up the notion you can trust any politician.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
Pretty much true for me too.lukin2006 said:^^^ Your system is rigged just like mine in Canada. I've long given up the notion you can trust any politician.
But not completely for me. A good example: Tom Hayden, who served on the California State Assembly ('82-'92) and California State Senate ('92-2000) and is the author of the enormously wonderful book, The Lost Gospel of the Earth. I've met him twice, heard him speak and read his book a couple of times. I very much trust Mr. Hayden."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Tonig and Brian, some bad news. Nina and Rosario got credentials stripped and are not the only ones though; through reports, Clinton camp is going after sander deligates, didn't allow them on the house floor when they had legitimate access, taking their signs away when Hillary signs were allowed and threatening to take credentials away. Ah, forced unity!! Not what the Democratic convention is supposed to be about!
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/07/26/nina-turner-prominent-sanders-delegate-ejected-dnc#Post edited by Free on0 -
It's good that you've found politicians that can be trust worthy ...brianlux said:
Pretty much true for me too.lukin2006 said:^^^ Your system is rigged just like mine in Canada. I've long given up the notion you can trust any politician.
But not completely for me. A good example: Tom Hayden, who served on the California State Assembly ('82-'92) and California State Senate ('92-2000) and is the author of the enormously wonderful book, The Lost Gospel of the Earth. I've met him twice, heard him speak and read his book a couple of times. I very much trust Mr. Hayden.
I used to trust municipal politicians, but they now are driven by personal agendas ...
it should be an interesting election with plenty of bs from both sides now.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0
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