Another Attack in France (Nice)

PJ_Soul · July 2016

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:
If only Germany had more help from the international community in handling all those refugees. This would probably be preventable if everyone would step up and lighten the load for Germany.
Why should the international community help Germany ... the choose to take the in 1 million refugees ... why don't they confront the wealthier middle eastern countries about them taking some if they took too many in.
Just answered.
That's their problem ...

And that attitude is a big part of what's wrong with the world IMO.

PJ_Soul · July 2016

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:
If only Germany had more help from the international community in handling all those refugees. This would probably be preventable if everyone would step up and lighten the load for Germany.
I'm not too sure how these attacks would be 'prevented'?

Do you mean spread out the attacks so not just Germany's people are getting blown up?
Lol, no. I mean that if the region had real help from the international community they would be able to have much better control over who crosses the borders or walks into the country from the beach. It is just the sheer numbers of refugees entering that is making it impossible for them to have any kind of meaningful security checks happening with the refugees.
Always just an "administrative" issue.
What's that supposed to mean? I hope you're not suggesting that I don't place any responsibility on Muslim extremism, because that is not at all the case.
I'm not suggesting that. Your want to take in refugees is an extremely noble one and I am not being facetious when I say that I totally respect your idealism on this. Where I think you're wrong is on the idea that any government can handle the complexity of what is involved. You are asking host governments to deal with a problem that they are just not equipped to deal with. They are not equipped on the short term, they are not equipped in the long term, and good intentions just become another failed big government project with grave consequences. This is not the same as taking in the refugees of any other war. These refugees are penetrated by those who wish to do us harm and when a government's chief responsibility is the protection of it's own citizens then unfortunately these types of refugee claims must be extremely slowed if not altogether stopped.

But that is why I'm talking about the international community cooperating and coming together to do it together. Because no one government can handle it alone. (And thanks for being nice, lol

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BS44325 · July 2016

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:
If only Germany had more help from the international community in handling all those refugees. This would probably be preventable if everyone would step up and lighten the load for Germany.
I'm not too sure how these attacks would be 'prevented'?

Do you mean spread out the attacks so not just Germany's people are getting blown up?
Lol, no. I mean that if the region had real help from the international community they would be able to have much better control over who crosses the borders or walks into the country from the beach. It is just the sheer numbers of refugees entering that is making it impossible for them to have any kind of meaningful security checks happening with the refugees.
Always just an "administrative" issue.
What's that supposed to mean? I hope you're not suggesting that I don't place any responsibility on Muslim extremism, because that is not at all the case.
I'm not suggesting that. Your want to take in refugees is an extremely noble one and I am not being facetious when I say that I totally respect your idealism on this. Where I think you're wrong is on the idea that any government can handle the complexity of what is involved. You are asking host governments to deal with a problem that they are just not equipped to deal with. They are not equipped on the short term, they are not equipped in the long term, and good intentions just become another failed big government project with grave consequences. This is not the same as taking in the refugees of any other war. These refugees are penetrated by those who wish to do us harm and when a government's chief responsibility is the protection of it's own citizens then unfortunately these types of refugee claims must be extremely slowed if not altogether stopped.
But that is why I'm talking about the international community cooperating and coming together to do it together. Because no one government can handle it alone. (And thanks for being nice, lol )

The "international community" is a mythical idealized entity that is equally incapable. Most countries either don't care or don't have the resources and would prefer to leave this problem to the west. It's terrible but that's just how it is. I get that you're a dreamer and that hey you're not the only one. I would even love to join you but unfortunately I just don't think the world is ready to live as one.

PJ_Soul · July 2016

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:
If only Germany had more help from the international community in handling all those refugees. This would probably be preventable if everyone would step up and lighten the load for Germany.
I'm not too sure how these attacks would be 'prevented'?

Do you mean spread out the attacks so not just Germany's people are getting blown up?
Lol, no. I mean that if the region had real help from the international community they would be able to have much better control over who crosses the borders or walks into the country from the beach. It is just the sheer numbers of refugees entering that is making it impossible for them to have any kind of meaningful security checks happening with the refugees.
Always just an "administrative" issue.
What's that supposed to mean? I hope you're not suggesting that I don't place any responsibility on Muslim extremism, because that is not at all the case.
I'm not suggesting that. Your want to take in refugees is an extremely noble one and I am not being facetious when I say that I totally respect your idealism on this. Where I think you're wrong is on the idea that any government can handle the complexity of what is involved. You are asking host governments to deal with a problem that they are just not equipped to deal with. They are not equipped on the short term, they are not equipped in the long term, and good intentions just become another failed big government project with grave consequences. This is not the same as taking in the refugees of any other war. These refugees are penetrated by those who wish to do us harm and when a government's chief responsibility is the protection of it's own citizens then unfortunately these types of refugee claims must be extremely slowed if not altogether stopped.
But that is why I'm talking about the international community cooperating and coming together to do it together. Because no one government can handle it alone. (And thanks for being nice, lol )
The "international community" is a mythical idealized entity that is equally incapable. Most countries either don't care or don't have the resources and would prefer to leave this problem to the west. It's terrible but that's just how it is. I get that you're a dreamer and that hey you're not the only one. I would even love to join you but unfortunately I just don't think the world is ready to live as one.

It's not a mythical entity. It's a bunch of actual real life governments. I am aware that they suck so far in getting anything done together. That is why I am saying that's what they need to do. It is actually possible. I didn't say I thought they'd be able to pull their shit together and do it (honestly, I am not some delusion moron with my head in the clouds and puppy dogs and rainbows flying through my brain, fyi). It's just what is required for shit to be handled properly. Otherwise, we'll just keep seeing what's happening now.

BS44325 · July 2016

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:
If only Germany had more help from the international community in handling all those refugees. This would probably be preventable if everyone would step up and lighten the load for Germany.
I'm not too sure how these attacks would be 'prevented'?

Do you mean spread out the attacks so not just Germany's people are getting blown up?
Lol, no. I mean that if the region had real help from the international community they would be able to have much better control over who crosses the borders or walks into the country from the beach. It is just the sheer numbers of refugees entering that is making it impossible for them to have any kind of meaningful security checks happening with the refugees.
Always just an "administrative" issue.
What's that supposed to mean? I hope you're not suggesting that I don't place any responsibility on Muslim extremism, because that is not at all the case.
I'm not suggesting that. Your want to take in refugees is an extremely noble one and I am not being facetious when I say that I totally respect your idealism on this. Where I think you're wrong is on the idea that any government can handle the complexity of what is involved. You are asking host governments to deal with a problem that they are just not equipped to deal with. They are not equipped on the short term, they are not equipped in the long term, and good intentions just become another failed big government project with grave consequences. This is not the same as taking in the refugees of any other war. These refugees are penetrated by those who wish to do us harm and when a government's chief responsibility is the protection of it's own citizens then unfortunately these types of refugee claims must be extremely slowed if not altogether stopped.
But that is why I'm talking about the international community cooperating and coming together to do it together. Because no one government can handle it alone. (And thanks for being nice, lol )
The "international community" is a mythical idealized entity that is equally incapable. Most countries either don't care or don't have the resources and would prefer to leave this problem to the west. It's terrible but that's just how it is. I get that you're a dreamer and that hey you're not the only one. I would even love to join you but unfortunately I just don't think the world is ready to live as one.
It's not a mythical entity. It's a bunch of actual real life governments. I am aware that they suck so far in getting anything done together. That is why I am saying that's what they need to do. It is actually possible. I didn't say I thought they'd be able to pull their shit together and do it (honestly, I am not some delusion moron with my head in the clouds and puppy dogs and rainbows flying through my brain, fyi). It's just what is required for shit to be handled properly. Otherwise, we'll just keep seeing what's happening now.

Agreed but what's required is never coming. That's why every country should worry about security first.

lukin2006 · July 2016

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:
If only Germany had more help from the international community in handling all those refugees. This would probably be preventable if everyone would step up and lighten the load for Germany.
Why should the international community help Germany ... the choose to take the in 1 million refugees ... why don't they confront the wealthier middle eastern countries about them taking some if they took too many in.
Just answered.
That's their problem ...
And that attitude is a big part of what's wrong with the world IMO.

So please explain to me why Canada needs to take on Germanys problem ... why doesn't Germany go ask the wealthy Middle East countries to do waaaaay more, how 'bout pm moonbeam here in Canada why doesn't he ask his Saudi friends to do more, or do they only talk when it comes to selling weapons to one of the worst nations on earth.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · July 2016

The bomber was denied asylum, yet allowed to stay?

Hmmm. Interesting. "You cannot stay. But stay."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36880758

lukin2006 · July 2016

^^^ thats what happens without proper screening .... then the refugees get lawyers and on and on ot goes.

Annafalk · July 2016

Two terrorists has cut the throat of a priest in Normandie (France) today.

PJ_Soul · July 2016

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:
If only Germany had more help from the international community in handling all those refugees. This would probably be preventable if everyone would step up and lighten the load for Germany.
Why should the international community help Germany ... the choose to take the in 1 million refugees ... why don't they confront the wealthier middle eastern countries about them taking some if they took too many in.
Just answered.
That's their problem ...
And that attitude is a big part of what's wrong with the world IMO.
So please explain to me why Canada needs to take on Germanys problem ... why doesn't Germany go ask the wealthy Middle East countries to do waaaaay more, how 'bout pm moonbeam here in Canada why doesn't he ask his Saudi friends to do more, or do they only talk when it comes to selling weapons to one of the worst nations on earth.

I don't see it as just Germany's problem at all, and I'm not sure why you think just asking Middle Eastern countries to do something is going to work.

lukin2006 · July 2016

^^^because the middle east can deal with their own problems, constantly at war, Isis a gang of hoodlums, terrorism and on and on .... We need to leave that part world and let them figure it out.

PJ_Soul · July 2016

lukin2006 said:
^^^because the middle east can deal with their own problems, constantly at war, Isis a gang of hoodlums, terrorism and on and on .... We need to leave that part world and let them figure it out.

But when refugees flood the borders - when they land on beaches in overcrowded boats while the bodies of their loved ones and neighbors wash up on shore beside them, when 20,000 people all try to cross the border at the same time and when tens of thousands are filling the streets while they starve, you can't just leave it alone. It becomes a humanitarian crisis right on your doorstep that is literally impossible to just ignore.

bootlegger10 · July 2016

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:
^^^because the middle east can deal with their own problems, constantly at war, Isis a gang of hoodlums, terrorism and on and on .... We need to leave that part world and let them figure it out.
But when refugees flood the borders - when they land on beaches in overcrowded boats while the bodies of their loved ones and neighbors wash up on shore beside them, when 20,000 people all try to cross the border at the same time and when tens of thousands are filling the streets while they starve, you can't just leave it alone. It becomes a humanitarian crisis right on your doorstep that is literally impossible to just ignore.

I don't know what you do, but letting millions into Europe who are impossible to vet properly (and currently appears Merkel doesn't care to vet) and don't want to assimilate leading to decades and decades of turmoi and unrest is not a solution.

PJ_Soul · July 2016

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:
^^^because the middle east can deal with their own problems, constantly at war, Isis a gang of hoodlums, terrorism and on and on .... We need to leave that part world and let them figure it out.
But when refugees flood the borders - when they land on beaches in overcrowded boats while the bodies of their loved ones and neighbors wash up on shore beside them, when 20,000 people all try to cross the border at the same time and when tens of thousands are filling the streets while they starve, you can't just leave it alone. It becomes a humanitarian crisis right on your doorstep that is literally impossible to just ignore.
I don't know what you do, but letting millions into Europe who are impossible to vet properly (and currently appears Merkel doesn't care to vet) and don't want to assimilate leading to decades and decades of turmoi and unrest is not a solution.

No it's not, which is actually the whole point of what I'm saying. Without help, Germany and Greece are pretty much helpless against that unless they want to make the humanitarian crisis worse than it already is.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · July 2016

Annafalk said:
Two terrorists has cut the throat of a priest in Normandie (France) today.

Twitter is saying he was beheaded- the 'go to' move by these sick, deranged mutant f**ks.

Such pleasant types.

I think there has to be a level of joy these shitheads take in murdering people. I know in most of these events they're screaming away and running around with their 4 inch erections... but I speak to the intrinsic level of satisfaction a psychopathic might take from savagely murdering an elderly priest.

bootlegger10 · July 2016

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:
^^^because the middle east can deal with their own problems, constantly at war, Isis a gang of hoodlums, terrorism and on and on .... We need to leave that part world and let them figure it out.
But when refugees flood the borders - when they land on beaches in overcrowded boats while the bodies of their loved ones and neighbors wash up on shore beside them, when 20,000 people all try to cross the border at the same time and when tens of thousands are filling the streets while they starve, you can't just leave it alone. It becomes a humanitarian crisis right on your doorstep that is literally impossible to just ignore.
I don't know what you do, but letting millions into Europe who are impossible to vet properly (and currently appears Merkel doesn't care to vet) and don't want to assimilate leading to decades and decades of turmoi and unrest is not a solution.
No it's not, which is actually the whole point of what I'm saying. Without help, Germany and Greece are pretty much helpless against that unless they want to make the humanitarian crisis worse than it already is.

I guess I am skeptical that your way is possible.

PJ_Soul · July 2016

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:
^^^because the middle east can deal with their own problems, constantly at war, Isis a gang of hoodlums, terrorism and on and on .... We need to leave that part world and let them figure it out.
But when refugees flood the borders - when they land on beaches in overcrowded boats while the bodies of their loved ones and neighbors wash up on shore beside them, when 20,000 people all try to cross the border at the same time and when tens of thousands are filling the streets while they starve, you can't just leave it alone. It becomes a humanitarian crisis right on your doorstep that is literally impossible to just ignore.
I don't know what you do, but letting millions into Europe who are impossible to vet properly (and currently appears Merkel doesn't care to vet) and don't want to assimilate leading to decades and decades of turmoi and unrest is not a solution.
No it's not, which is actually the whole point of what I'm saying. Without help, Germany and Greece are pretty much helpless against that unless they want to make the humanitarian crisis worse than it already is.
I guess I am skeptical that your way is possible.

I know. All that's missing is the willingness of these fucking politicians to actually cooperate and do something useful without putting their own interests ahead of the common good. All it takes is people to get off their asses and do it - make some cooperative decisions, draw up a plan of execution and funding, round up the manpower, and fucking DO it. Our leaders apparently aren't capable of that because they are a bunch of narcissistic assholes who are too busy making themselves feel important by talking and debating everything literally to death and always only really thinking about how to keep their power and how to play the media. It's very frustrating.

josevolution · July 2016

lukin2006 said:
^^^because the middle east can deal with their own problems, constantly at war, Isis a gang of hoodlums, terrorism and on and on .... We need to leave that part world and let them figure it out.

Yes leave them to themselves including Israel that I can agree with so you agree we should not be overthere trying to tell them how they should be running their nations ..

bootlegger10 · July 2016

josevolution said:

lukin2006 said:
^^^because the middle east can deal with their own problems, constantly at war, Isis a gang of hoodlums, terrorism and on and on .... We need to leave that part world and let them figure it out.
Yes leave them to themselves including Israel that I can agree with so you agree we should not be overthere trying to tell them how they should be running their nations ..

What if how they run their nations results in mass migration of their people to Western countries? Is the West supposed to take on the cost and assimilation issues with millions of refugees (i.e., these other countries are making themselves the West's problem)? Is the West supposed to ignore genocide in other countries under the guise that these other countries "run their own nations"? I'm not saying I know the answers to these questions. There have been plenty of genocides in history that went ignored because it wasn't possible to intervene safely or the will was not there.

Granted I understand the argument that the West contributed to the region's instability.

PJ_Soul · July 2016

josevolution said:

lukin2006 said:
^^^because the middle east can deal with their own problems, constantly at war, Isis a gang of hoodlums, terrorism and on and on .... We need to leave that part world and let them figure it out.
Yes leave them to themselves including Israel that I can agree with so you agree we should not be overthere trying to tell them how they should be running their nations ..

I completely agree until you get into the humanitarian conundrum that creates. Human beings seem to generally feel a moral obligation to help people who are suffering. That is why it's not generally well-received with people say that we shouldn't even give to charities that feed starving people or that medicate the sick in third world countries, because we should allow natural population controls do its work. I find it difficult to believe that the west will just stand back and watch while religious fanatics rape little girls, throw acid in the faces of girls who try to go to school, imprison and murder entire villages because they're Christian, see gay people rounded up and sent to prison or put to death, etc etc etc.

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