Hillary won more votes for President

rssesq said:

Her experience(Iraq, Goldman, Emails, Email server)in this area does not override her ignorance, ego driven arrogance and authoritarian approach.
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But maybe the fact that she has been in white house for 8 years, served as a senator and as Secretary of state. Whether you like her or not, it's more experience than trump. And there no arguing that.

PJ_Soul said:

Free said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

You're correct that her VP pick is irrelevant. But not for the reason you think. Clinton could have picked OJ Simpson and she will still beat the donald. He has no chance.

I really think you are either underestimating Trump or overestimating the American public.

Exactly how many people does it take to tell you that Trump won't win before it sinks in??

You're grossly overestimating his potential.

Who are you talking about? Are you saying that I should be listening to you and couple of other people on the AMT to determine whether or not Trump has a fighting chance??

Nate Silver's typically highly-accurate polling should not be ignored, in spite of his earlier mistakes.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

We are looking at two candidates with huge name recognition. In a change election if Hillary doesn't come out of the convention with at least a tie it will be hard to come back. The kitchen sink has pretty much been thrown at Trump already and he hasn't even spent a dime yet in the swing states.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/index.html

I would argue the reverse. Clinton has had the kitchen sink thrown at her and Trump is practically getting away with murder.

Trump has done zero advertising yet. He is owning the free media while every attack on him completely fails to stick. He's the real Teflon Don.

PJ_Soul said:

I think it's pretty fucked up that anyone thinks Trump is actually anti-establishment. It's almost like people believe the shit that spews from his mouth, lol.

Nobody that makes it this far is truly anti anything.

But, it's all in how you define it. Is he outside Washington? Well, perhaps, but obviously he has friends on both sides. That's why I think it's pretty fucked up that people think he's going to actually build a wall, let N. Korea get a nuke and abandon our typical allies. Which is basically what I think you're saying with your last sentence.

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

We are looking at two candidates with huge name recognition. In a change election if Hillary doesn't come out of the convention with at least a tie it will be hard to come back. The kitchen sink has pretty much been thrown at Trump already and he hasn't even spent a dime yet in the swing states.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/index.html

Those poll numbers are surprising. Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds. If Hillary plays it right, she can swing them back her way.

What makes you think she can swing them back?

I also wouldn't worry too much about the polls after the 1st convention.

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

We are looking at two candidates with huge name recognition. In a change election if Hillary doesn't come out of the convention with at least a tie it will be hard to come back. The kitchen sink has pretty much been thrown at Trump already and he hasn't even spent a dime yet in the swing states.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/index.html

Those poll numbers are surprising. Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds. If Hillary plays it right, she can swing them back her way.

Certainly a possibility but she is too well known to change her likability/trustworthy numbers. Her only chance is to make Trump into an unacceptable alternative but to date that just hasn't worked. There are always the debates but I wouldn't bank on it. I personally was not impressed by one of his debates and yet he still managed to destroy every person who went against him. I am not sure what Hillary can do to change the narrative in a change election year.

Disagree...once the independents start seeing her campaign/speak more her numbers will improve. Watching the Clinton/Kaine interview on 60 minutes compared to Trump/Pence was like comparing Meet the Press to Sesame Street.

And yet Sesame Street got a pretty big bounce. The average voter doesn't care about 60 minutes. They don't care about the post RNC convention/Trump speech analysis. They want change and they seem to be deciding to take the plunge on Trump. I lived under a Rob Ford election. I know of which I speak.

EdsonNascimento said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

We are looking at two candidates with huge name recognition. In a change election if Hillary doesn't come out of the convention with at least a tie it will be hard to come back. The kitchen sink has pretty much been thrown at Trump already and he hasn't even spent a dime yet in the swing states.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/index.html

Those poll numbers are surprising. Basically they reflect Trump picking up lower educated undecideds. If Hillary plays it right, she can swing them back her way.

What makes you think she can swing them back?

I also wouldn't worry too much about the polls after the 1st convention.

Trump picked them up with a fear message. She'll need to turn that message, make it her own by conveying an approachable confidence & reassurance. That her experience will be able to meet their needs. At the same time, she needs to convince those swingers that Trump is actually the thing to be afraid of. Since she is a woman, she has the additional challenge to make sure she that her confidence isn't interpreted as being -----.

I think that the WikiLeaks dump has taken away at least 25% of the Bernie supporters who were gonna hold their noses and vote for Hillary.

Three months to go, but I really don't think that this is something that the more idealistic Bernie backers will let go.

Some democrats might say that such a reaction is petulant or short-sighted, because everyone pretty much knew deep down that the DNC was juking the stats for Hillary. To have it confirmed, however, makes this bitter pill go down more like ipecac. The DNC fucked itself. Just dumb. I mean, how many times does someone have to hear "if you don't want it on the cover of the New York Times, then don't press send" before they get it?

Should be interesting to watch from the sidelines. I've got no horse in this race, maybe a slight nod to Trump -- but only because it would increase my chances of talking my wife into moving to Costa Rica, which will hopefully be far enough away from the fallout.