Military Coup in Turkey

mickeyrat said:

Jason P said:

Well, we have seen what happens when the crazy dictator gets taken out of control in this region in the past decade. The results have not been good.

If I was Putin, I would take out a fighter jet to see how NATO reacts.

well the 2 pilots who shot the MiG down were arrested too.

I was thinking it would be a good time for Russia to test NATO's bluff and force Turkey out and destroy NATO if the other nations don't come to defend.

There is no way the US was behind this with Obama at the helm. If Cheney was still there, yeah, maybe a chance.

this is out of hand ..no human rights in turkey..lol..wtf..

PJ_Soul said:

Jason P said:

There is no way the US was behind this with Obama at the helm. If Cheney was still there, yeah, maybe a chance.

I agree. No way in hell. I think that Erdogan is behind it.

I guess if you buy the company line in regards to Libya, Ukraine, Syria, it's easy to blame the person the media is promoting as the instigator...why would you think any differently in this instance if you believe our altruistic intentions in those conflicts, right? Obama hasn't launched a full scale invasion anywhere....he likes to train well intentioned freedom fighters. maybe he's a a lil reactionary, but overall he's just a peaceful dude.
are there no other influences in Washington? Or is The commander in chief solely responsible for foreign policy? We can blame Cheney for bush's fuck ups, but Obama is some kind of supreme leader who acts alone. Got it.
Big picture, long term: the fracturing of Turkey benefits the west. It would serve as a reward for the Kurds support in Syria....who would would then be indebted to the US for their sovereignty. The US would then, by puppet regime proxy, have control of the vast majority of both Iraqi and Syrian oil fields (if we use the map above as a blueprint). Also heard that the US is moving ahead with building military bases along a proposed pipeline route in Syria. We need to look at this from a geopolitical perspective encompassing the major power's goals in the region. Can't help but feel it's short sited to look at this from a completely Turkish domestic position of whether it was Erdogan or the army instigating this.

Wasn't meant to be condescending, apologies. Busy af and don't have time to choose my words carefully. I was addressing both you and Jason in my response...Jason and I have found ourselves to have opposing opinions on who is pulling strings on the geopolitical stage many times...he blames Putin as often as I blame the US
I have seen suggestions that Erdogan staged a 'false flag' in order to round up dissidents and consolidate power. Don't have time to find links, but even if that suggestion is somewhat minimal in the mainstream, the general consensus reporting has demonized Erdogan. Not that it is t warranted criticism; his actions have been beyond heavy handed....but I'm always leery of letting the media set my opinions of leaders in far-off lands that operate in a totally different culture and political atmosphere than we have in the west. Erdogan being behind the coup does make sense on some levels if he truly is pivoting from NATO to Rus/Iran. But it seems very extreme when he had already initiated the pivot prior to the coup attempt - it makes more sense to me that the US interest in installing a military dictatorship run by historically very pro-NATO leaders, would outweigh Erdogan's interest in quashing dissent- risking civil war and popular uprising as a result of his own staged coup, when there is a significant population already looking to separate.

Drowned Out said:

Wasn't meant to be condescending, apologies. Busy af and don't have time to choose my words carefully. I was addressing both you and Jason in my response...Jason and I have found ourselves to have opposing opinions on who is pulling strings on the geopolitical stage many times...he blames Putin as often as I blame the US
I have seen suggestions that Erdogan staged a 'false flag' in order to round up dissidents and consolidate power. Don't have time to find links, but even if that suggestion is somewhat minimal in the mainstream, the general consensus reporting has demonized Erdogan. Not that it is t warranted criticism; his actions have been beyond heavy handed....but I'm always leery of letting the media set my opinions of leaders in far-off lands that operate in a totally different culture and political atmosphere than we have in the west. Erdogan being behind the coup does make sense on some levels if he truly is pivoting from NATO to Rus/Iran. But it seems very extreme when he had already initiated the pivot prior to the coup attempt - it makes more sense to me that the US interest in installing a military dictatorship run by historically very pro-NATO leaders, would outweigh Erdogan's interest in quashing dissent- risking civil war and popular uprising as a result of his own staged coup, when there is a significant population already looking to separate.

All good dude.
Sorry, didn't mean to say that the media hasn't been suggesting Ergodan isn't behind it. I assumed by what you said it had. I just meant that I haven't been influenced by that because I haven't been watching the coverage.

1st law of ertogan..he can just make them now,no need to go for vote..he just order,he sign the papaerwork and thats it


Close 1000 schools....specific ones ofcourse that texhers are not his fans

Lol..seems if kids get educated ..belong to the coup!!