Military Coup in Turkey

Jason P

mickeyrat said:

Jason P said:

Well, we have seen what happens when the crazy dictator gets taken out of control in this region in the past decade. The results have not been good.

If I was Putin, I would take out a fighter jet to see how NATO reacts.

well the 2 pilots who shot the MiG down were arrested too.

I was thinking it would be a good time for Russia to test NATO's bluff and force Turkey out and destroy NATO if the other nations don't come to defend.

Drowned Out

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/20/the-coup-in-turkey-has-thrown-a-wrench-in-uncle-sams-pivot-plan/

Jason P

There is no way the US was behind this with Obama at the helm. If Cheney was still there, yeah, maybe a chance.

PJ_Soul

Jason P said:

There is no way the US was behind this with Obama at the helm. If Cheney was still there, yeah, maybe a chance.

I agree. No way in hell. I think that Erdogan is behind it.

dimitrispearljam

this is out of hand ..no human rights in turkey..lol..wtf..

mickeyrat

yep. now we're cooking
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/21/turkey-parliament-expected-to-pass-erdogan-emergency-measures?CMP=fb_gu


Turkey has said it will suspend the European convention on human rights during a state of emergency declared in the aftermath of last weekend’s coup attempt.

“Turkey will suspend the European convention on human rights insofar as it does not conflict with its international obligations,” the deputy prime minister, Numan Kurtulmus, was quoted as saying by the state-run Anadolu news agency.

The state of emergency will allow the government to rule by decree, passing bills that have the force of the rule of law unless they are overturned by parliament, where the majority of MPs belong to the ruling Justice and Development (AK) party.

Turkish officials insisted the lives and freedoms of citizens would not be affected, and that western powers such as France had recently taken similar measures. But concerns have mounted among both opponents and allies that the move will further consolidate President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s power.


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Drowned Out

PJ_Soul said:

Jason P said:

There is no way the US was behind this with Obama at the helm. If Cheney was still there, yeah, maybe a chance.

I agree. No way in hell. I think that Erdogan is behind it.

I guess if you buy the company line in regards to Libya, Ukraine, Syria, it's easy to blame the person the media is promoting as the instigator...why would you think any differently in this instance if you believe our altruistic intentions in those conflicts, right? Obama hasn't launched a full scale invasion anywhere....he likes to train well intentioned freedom fighters. maybe he's a a lil reactionary, but overall he's just a peaceful dude.
are there no other influences in Washington? Or is The commander in chief solely responsible for foreign policy? We can blame Cheney for bush's fuck ups, but Obama is some kind of supreme leader who acts alone. Got it.
Big picture, long term: the fracturing of Turkey benefits the west. It would serve as a reward for the Kurds support in Syria....who would would then be indebted to the US for their sovereignty. The US would then, by puppet regime proxy, have control of the vast majority of both Iraqi and Syrian oil fields (if we use the map above as a blueprint). Also heard that the US is moving ahead with building military bases along a proposed pipeline route in Syria. We need to look at this from a geopolitical perspective encompassing the major power's goals in the region. Can't help but feel it's short sited to look at this from a completely Turkish domestic position of whether it was Erdogan or the army instigating this.

PJ_Soul

I have not seen a single thing where the media promoted Erdogan as the instigator. I actually haven't seen much about the coup at all since it happened because I haven't been consuming the media, and then i just saw that Erdogan is rounding up all these people including educators, mass arrests, and is now talking about killing a bunch of them. I drew my own conclusions (well, guesses, really) just as you seem to be. We both have good reasons for our guesses at who might have been behind the coup, if anyone besides the actual folks who did it were involved. Not sure why you felt the need to drag the "you buy the company line" suggestion in or the Obama comments TBH. Seems a bit condescending.

Drowned Out

Wasn't meant to be condescending, apologies. Busy af and don't have time to choose my words carefully. I was addressing both you and Jason in my response...Jason and I have found ourselves to have opposing opinions on who is pulling strings on the geopolitical stage many times...he blames Putin as often as I blame the US
I have seen suggestions that Erdogan staged a 'false flag' in order to round up dissidents and consolidate power. Don't have time to find links, but even if that suggestion is somewhat minimal in the mainstream, the general consensus reporting has demonized Erdogan. Not that it is t warranted criticism; his actions have been beyond heavy handed....but I'm always leery of letting the media set my opinions of leaders in far-off lands that operate in a totally different culture and political atmosphere than we have in the west. Erdogan being behind the coup does make sense on some levels if he truly is pivoting from NATO to Rus/Iran. But it seems very extreme when he had already initiated the pivot prior to the coup attempt - it makes more sense to me that the US interest in installing a military dictatorship run by historically very pro-NATO leaders, would outweigh Erdogan's interest in quashing dissent- risking civil war and popular uprising as a result of his own staged coup, when there is a significant population already looking to separate.

Jason P

Drowned, you know exactly what's going on, man ...

PJ_Soul

Drowned Out said:

Wasn't meant to be condescending, apologies. Busy af and don't have time to choose my words carefully. I was addressing both you and Jason in my response...Jason and I have found ourselves to have opposing opinions on who is pulling strings on the geopolitical stage many times...he blames Putin as often as I blame the US
I have seen suggestions that Erdogan staged a 'false flag' in order to round up dissidents and consolidate power. Don't have time to find links, but even if that suggestion is somewhat minimal in the mainstream, the general consensus reporting has demonized Erdogan. Not that it is t warranted criticism; his actions have been beyond heavy handed....but I'm always leery of letting the media set my opinions of leaders in far-off lands that operate in a totally different culture and political atmosphere than we have in the west. Erdogan being behind the coup does make sense on some levels if he truly is pivoting from NATO to Rus/Iran. But it seems very extreme when he had already initiated the pivot prior to the coup attempt - it makes more sense to me that the US interest in installing a military dictatorship run by historically very pro-NATO leaders, would outweigh Erdogan's interest in quashing dissent- risking civil war and popular uprising as a result of his own staged coup, when there is a significant population already looking to separate.

All good dude.
Sorry, didn't mean to say that the media hasn't been suggesting Ergodan isn't behind it. I assumed by what you said it had. I just meant that I haven't been influenced by that because I haven't been watching the coverage.

mickeyrat

so where does the recent Israeli deal fit in all this?

supplies are reaching GAZA now.

dimitrispearljam

1st law of ertogan..he can just make them now,no need to go for vote..he just order,he sign the papaerwork and thats it


Close 1000 schools....specific ones ofcourse that texhers are not his fans

Lol..seems if kids get educated ..belong to the coup!!

PJ_Soul

dimitrispearljam said:

1st law of ertogan..he can just make them now,no need to go for vote..he just order,he sign the papaerwork and thats it


Close 1000 schools....specific ones ofcourse that texhers are not his fans

Lol..seems if kids get educated ..belong to the coup!!

The attack on the educated and the educators is definitely the most horrifying and disturbing factor here. How far will he go??? And at what point to other forces try to stop him??