Stanford rapist

F Me In The Brain said:

In my opinion, this isn't about helping other people. This is about one person paying for an act of savagery. Everything doesn't have to be for society. How about stringing this piece of garbage up by his balls like he deserves? People should be outraged that a person who was clearly guilty of a violent sex crime gets 6 months on jail.

That's just the turn the thread took, it happens. String him up was already covered lol

rgambs said:

mickeyrat said:

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

polaris_x said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

polaris_x said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

polaris_x said:

rgambs said:

polaris_x said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

Gern Blansten said:

polaris_x said:

Enkidu said:

A friend of a friend just wrote this. https://medium.com/@StefWilliams25/rape-ribeyes-and-the-utter-lack-of-personal-responsibility-5be5f3e61864#.b1n2mnib5

she clearly needs an editor ... like is spell check not available?

in any case - this story is all too familiar ... i do think what's in pandora's box should be discussed but will never be because it's now considered victim-blaming ... but the reality is that there are a multitude of consequences associated with getting that drunk that would have left her crucified by society but because of what happened - it's not being discussed at all ...

before people get bent out of shape ... i don't condone rape or sexual assault of any kind and this asshole clearly did not get a harsh enough sentence ... it's simply that the victim has to hold herself to account ... saying she drank too much not factoring she didn't have the tolerance of when she was in college is her rationalizing her own role in this ... again - i'm not making excuses for the assailant here nor saying she deserved it ... just asking where she is in acknowledging the fact she got so damn drunk that she couldn't remember a single thing ...

Drinking so much you don't remember shit isn't a felony. Rape is.

i'm not saying it is ...

but if she drinks that much and gets in a car - she'd be crucified; if she drinks that much and vandalizes a house - she'd be crucified; if she drinks that much and breaks a leg falling down stairs - no one would have too much sympathy for her ... if any of the above happened - we'd be sitting around discussing how irresponsible she was with her alcohol consumption but we aren't ...

And the thing that all of your examples have in common is that no one else attacked her. If someone had PUSHED her down those stairs, I'm pretty sure people would be after the pusher, not the drunk pushee for standing too close to a flight of stairs while wasted.

exactly...holy shit

um, yeah. polaris, I think you need to rethink your stance on this.

as expected ... don't think anyone gets my point ... oh well ... too much to ask of the train I think ...

I get your point, and it does have some validity, though it is insensitive by very nature. I don't see it as victim blaming, but I'm sure some will. As far as I see it, you aren't calling for anything more than for young people (women particularly) to take this as an example of how important it is for each individual to ensure their own safety by maintaining situational awareness.
It is not OK for the attacker (or anyone on his side) to invoke the binge drinking culture in any way, but I feel it is OK for those on the victim's side to try and pass on the message that people can't be trusted and getting blackout drunk is a very bad idea under ANY circumstance.

exactly!

it is somewhat insensitive in that if we are to attach personal emotions to this story ... but my comment was a rational one based on an objective look at this story ...

yes, we all get that was your point. but it's not valid.

you are saying she is at least partly at fault for the assault happening. she is not. she should be able to be black out drunk and taken off all of her clothes and start masturbating on a platform and still have every right not to be touched. case closed.

that's not my point ... ughhhh

you originally said she needs to hold herself to account. she did. she acknowledged she drank more than she should have.

she calls it an 'amateur mistake' ... and yes, she does call alcohol a factor in this story ... i just don't think it's acknowledged in a way where we can learn from it ...

i agree, she could do all the things you said and she shouldn't be touched ... but are we to ignore that aspect of the story altogether? ...

no one ignored it. SHE ACKNOWLEDGED IT. what did you want her to do? come out and say "this never would have happened if I hadn't drank?". that would be a fabulous message to send.

Perhaps that's just the message young women need to hear.
In this case it's probably accurate. Would this swimmer have held her down and raped her if she was fighting and screaming? Probably not.

Sugar coating reality doesn't help anybody.

the narrative says, dont drink or its your fault.

I call bullshit on that.

The narrative is don't get so drunk you can't control your own body or bad things could happen. It isn't about fault or blame, that is a childish game, pointing fingers.

po-tay-to, po-tah-to.

polaris_x said:

Gern Blansten said:

polaris_x said:

Enkidu said:

A friend of a friend just wrote this. https://medium.com/@StefWilliams25/rape-ribeyes-and-the-utter-lack-of-personal-responsibility-5be5f3e61864#.b1n2mnib5

she clearly needs an editor ... like is spell check not available?

in any case - this story is all too familiar ... i do think what's in pandora's box should be discussed but will never be because it's now considered victim-blaming ... but the reality is that there are a multitude of consequences associated with getting that drunk that would have left her crucified by society but because of what happened - it's not being discussed at all ...

before people get bent out of shape ... i don't condone rape or sexual assault of any kind and this asshole clearly did not get a harsh enough sentence ... it's simply that the victim has to hold herself to account ... saying she drank too much not factoring she didn't have the tolerance of when she was in college is her rationalizing her own role in this ... again - i'm not making excuses for the assailant here nor saying she deserved it ... just asking where she is in acknowledging the fact she got so damn drunk that she couldn't remember a single thing ...

Drinking so much you don't remember shit isn't a felony. Rape is.

i'm not saying it is ...

but if she drinks that much and gets in a car - she'd be crucified; if she drinks that much and vandalizes a house - she'd be crucified; if she drinks that much and breaks a leg falling down stairs - no one would have too much sympathy for her ... if any of the above happened - we'd be sitting around discussing how irresponsible she was with her alcohol consumption but we aren't ...

we are not discussing because what happened to her was the actions of another asshole. your comments are like blaming a driver for being out at 2:30 in the morning and getting hit by a drunk diver 'well you should have known drunks are out at 2:30 am'.

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

polaris_x said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

Gern Blansten said:

polaris_x said:

Enkidu said:

A friend of a friend just wrote this. https://medium.com/@StefWilliams25/rape-ribeyes-and-the-utter-lack-of-personal-responsibility-5be5f3e61864#.b1n2mnib5

she clearly needs an editor ... like is spell check not available?

in any case - this story is all too familiar ... i do think what's in pandora's box should be discussed but will never be because it's now considered victim-blaming ... but the reality is that there are a multitude of consequences associated with getting that drunk that would have left her crucified by society but because of what happened - it's not being discussed at all ...

before people get bent out of shape ... i don't condone rape or sexual assault of any kind and this asshole clearly did not get a harsh enough sentence ... it's simply that the victim has to hold herself to account ... saying she drank too much not factoring she didn't have the tolerance of when she was in college is her rationalizing her own role in this ... again - i'm not making excuses for the assailant here nor saying she deserved it ... just asking where she is in acknowledging the fact she got so damn drunk that she couldn't remember a single thing ...

Drinking so much you don't remember shit isn't a felony. Rape is.

i'm not saying it is ...

but if she drinks that much and gets in a car - she'd be crucified; if she drinks that much and vandalizes a house - she'd be crucified; if she drinks that much and breaks a leg falling down stairs - no one would have too much sympathy for her ... if any of the above happened - we'd be sitting around discussing how irresponsible she was with her alcohol consumption but we aren't ...

And the thing that all of your examples have in common is that no one else attacked her. If someone had PUSHED her down those stairs, I'm pretty sure people would be after the pusher, not the drunk pushee for standing too close to a flight of stairs while wasted.

exactly...holy shit

um, yeah. polaris, I think you need to rethink your stance on this.

as expected ... don't think anyone gets my point ... oh well ... too much to ask of the train I think ...

I get your point, and it does have some validity, though it is insensitive by very nature. I don't see it as victim blaming, but I'm sure some will. As far as I see it, you aren't calling for anything more than for young people (women particularly) to take this as an example of how important it is for each individual to ensure their own safety by maintaining situational awareness.
It is not OK for the attacker (or anyone on his side) to invoke the binge drinking culture in any way, but I feel it is OK for those on the victim's side to try and pass on the message that people can't be trusted and getting blackout drunk is a very bad idea under ANY circumstance.

for women. therein lies the problem with this message. guys can do what they want (get blind drunk) without consequence, but a woman can't. this message is no different than saying "don't wear a short skirt if you know what's good for you".

That is absolutely ridiculous. Maintaining consciousness so that you can AT LEAST call for help if attacked is not at all the same, and it's absolutely fucking ridiculous to conflate the two. Getting blackout drunk has serious potential consequences for men too, they are just different.

Being a woman is different than being a man, if for no other reason than that all women have something that the scumiest, lowest men are willing to take without permission. If I had a daughter I would consider it a serious failure as a parent to not make her aware that there are predators who will treat her as prey. Basic Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, self-defense weapons, and most important, maintaining awareness are the realities that all women should adopt in this world where human nature is shit.

It isn't about how fair it is that women need to be more careful than men, fair is the place you go for cotton candy. It is reality.
That doesn't take the blame away from the scummy, lowlife men who pose a threat to women, and it doesn't place blame on the victim, it simply addresses the reality of life among humans.

did you happen to read her letter? one of the points she makes about the guy is he was looking for something to happen that night. and yes she would not have been raped had she not gotten drunk, but this asshole was most likely going to do something to a different girl that night if not her.

edit: and your posts and this page of this thread has proven the point of why women find it hard to report sexual assaults, because eventually the narrative gets put on them instead of the asshole who perpetrated a violent crime.

hedonist said:

F Me In The Brain said:

In my opinion, this isn't about helping other people. This is about one person paying for an act of savagery. Everything doesn't have to be for society. How about stringing this piece of garbage up by his balls like he deserves? People should be outraged that a person who was clearly guilty of a violent sex crime gets 6 months on jail.

Thank you.

After reading through her letter and this case it appears it's doubtful he will fully serve the entire appalling 6 month sentence. For this guy bring back the days of public whippings.

Peace

what if his parents raised a son who was taught to protect those obviously vulnerable and sought to live that.

His father is appalling and his nonchalance of what happened shows what kinda of person he is. And you see where the kid got his gall from. There was no remorse- nor compassion- which shows how some men still view women- as lesser- as less a person. The judge is worse by giving that hand slap of nothingness.

edit: and your posts and this page of this thread has proven the point of why women find it hard to report sexual assaults, because eventually the narrative gets put on them instead of the asshole who perpetrated a violent crime.

There's probably some truth to that, and it is very unfortunate, it's a bitter pill to swallow.
It's a shame people feel the need to broach the issue to victims, that is inappropriate at the least. I am speaking to the message we need to send to young women before they become victims, not the message to send to victims.

I'm sure I sound very insensitive, but I have been through all of this in real life with my cousin, and I am speaking from the distance of a decade of time for everyone to digest what happened and how everyone reacted. I was more senstive with my message in person, and I would never go on this girl's social media to tell her what I think objectively like I do here.

F Me In The Brain said:

If you would like to sign the petition for the ridiculous excuse for a judge's removal....
https://change.org/p/california-state-house-recall-judge-aaron-persky

On it! Thanks!

I think the people suggesting to tone it down on the liquor to keep yourself safe is based in reality and common sense. These comments are more towards taking precaution versus attributing blame.

Men typically comprise the bulk of the scum of humanity (I say this as a man). With 50% of all women 'reporting' rape of some sort at some point in their life... it's obvious a woman getting hammered around a pack of men is tantamount to walking in dangerous neighbourhoods at night while flashing a massive wad of bills.

You don't deserve to be raped just as one doesn't deserve to be robbed. But reality is reality: take precautions. There are thieves... and there are scumbag rapists.

In her case, as she admitted, she was a little foolish for not taking precautions to protect herself from the inevitable and lurking predators.

This is not the same thing as saying she is at fault. The fault lies entirely with the fast swimmer. This is saying she placed herself in a very vulnerable position.

* My daughter and her friends have been counselled by me and others to look out for each other- go to the bathroom together... leave together... things like this- and to drink nothing that hasn't been opened by themselves. She's been counselled this way because I know there are scumbags out there that the naked eye cannot distinguish.