Why the hell did you wait so long to cancel?

my2hands · April 2016

Seriously, why did you wait so long?

The timing of the announcement could not have been worse. The debate has been brewing for weeks since Bruce made his decision and could have easily been made/announced earlier. If announced earlier I'm sure 99% of the fan base would gladly support the cancelation, as it is a very just cause and clearly worthy of support. But by cancelling at the 11th hour you threw some of your diehard fanbase right under the bus with total disregard, creating strife and conflict as opposed to uniting us all on this issue. Not to mention you released the announcement 30 minutes before the doors opened to Hampton, destroying a lot of peoples positive energy for that show? It makes zero sense to wait so long and announce at that time

The boycott is not necessarily a mistake, like i said its a great cause, but the last minute timing was a brutally bad decision that seemed to be made without factoring in your dedicated traveling fan base

I feel bad for everyone out there that got stuck with flights, hotel reservations, rental cars, vacation days, family arrangements, etc... maybe a little more consideration for them next time you want to make a last minute decision

The timing, not the cancelation, is the issue I have

on2legs · April 2016

Definitely needed another thread for this.

whofeelslikeadrank · April 2016

on2legs said:
Definitely needed another thread for this.

:one_finger:

my2hands · April 2016

on2legs said:
Definitely needed another thread for this.

I felt so, because this is the main point to the fans actually affected by this last minute decision... it's not the boycott, it's the timing of the decision

Tim Simmons · April 2016

Maybe there is a clause in the contract that made them to? It's weird Bruce did the same thing. I don't think it's as clear cut as them just doing what Bruce did.

pearldavidson · April 2016

I'm pissed about the timing and I had zero invested into Raleigh!!!! It was a bull shit/slap in the face move.

walkunafraid · April 2016

Maybe they were holding out hope that the state would give in to mounting national pressure and repeal the law in time for the show to go on as planned. Perhaps they actually really wanted to play and only canceled when it was clear that the state wasn't going to act, you know?

How do you think folks here would have acted if the band had canceled two weeks ago and the bill had been repealed prior to the scheduled show date?

whofeelslikeadrank · April 2016

walkunafraid said:
How do you think folks here would have acted if the band had canceled two weeks ago and the bill had been repealed prior to the scheduled show date?

thank you very much for bringing up a side of the issue that is rarely visited. had it been the other way around... would been the same thing. a bunch of posts pissing and moaning about, "why did you cancel and then change your mind??" it's a lose-lose for everyone involved. i have said the same thing a thousand times before... be glad we have a band that keeps show ticket prices reasonable, and still wow us on a nightly basis. did i actually read some folks bitching about a show that was 3+ hours, just because it wasn't a philly show? yea, sad.

my2hands · April 2016

walkunafraid said:
Maybe they were holding out hope that the state would give in to mounting national pressure and repeal the law in time for the show to go on as planned. Perhaps they actually really wanted to play and only canceled when it was clear that the state wasn't going to act, you know?

How do you think folks here would have acted if the band had canceled two weeks ago and the bill had been repealed prior to the scheduled show date?

I understand... but 48 hours? They could have announced last week, even Friday? Or announced if the bill still stood as law by 4/18 (or whenever) that they would cancel... they didn't make a peep while this debate raged for weeks and just when everyone assumed it was safe, BAM!

hsohi · April 2016

Contractual law my friends.

Weston1283 · April 2016

I lost $$ on flights to Raleigh, but like you said, I think the thing that made me the most mad about the timing was the fact that it completely deflated me of enthusiasm for the Hampton show. I got my white whale song Habit and the setlist was great, but it was probably the least fun I ever had at a PJ show

bootlegger10 · April 2016

hsohi said:
Contractual law my friends.

What part of the contract? Other bands have canceled much further in advance.

This is a good thread and in my mind is the one question that we deserve an answer too. I think this thread should be bumped daily until we get an answer from the business we are customers of.

I would also like to know the economic penalties PJ had to pay to cancel. But all they need to do is dedicate another day on the next tour to recoup the fees so I don't give them much credit in that respect.

bootlegger10 · April 2016

Here's to the first bump of what I expect will be many unanswered bumps.

JimmyV · April 2016

If there is a good answer to this question I haven't heard it yet.

jeffwalsh · April 2016

bootlegger10 said:
What part of the contract? Other bands have canceled much further in advance.

Bands in clubs/theaters have canceled in advance. All arena shows have been canceled 48 hours in advance. I said it was some contractual issue all along. Not sure we'll ever know the why's behind it, though.

camsjam · April 2016

Maybe if cancelled less than 48 hours there would be high cancellation fees payable to the arena and the band was struggling with a decision until the last minute. Can't imagine they would have had to pay more if cancelling a week or two out. It's a done deal and I don't know what reasons are going to make the angrier fans understand. I rejoined 10c recently after reading as a guest for a time. Pearl Jam aside I thought this was such a positive community filled with intelligent, kind, funny and helpful people. Much different than most forums you see on the Internet. Okay some of you are a hot mess...but mostly in a good way. Life throws shit around all the time. I hate to see it make everyone bitter. Peace

PJ1973 · April 2016

Weston1283 said:
I lost $$ on flights to Raleigh, but like you said, I think the thing that made me the most mad about the timing was the fact that it completely deflated me of enthusiasm for the Hampton show. I got my white whale song Habit and the setlist was great, but it was probably the least fun I ever had at a PJ show

This - I had just returned to the GA line after picking up my tickets with so much excitement and saw everyone looking down at their phones trying to readjust plans. The energy picked up when the show started (good for starting with a fast song) but it was obviously on the back of everyone's mind.

PJ1973 · April 2016

my2hands said:

walkunafraid said:

How do you think folks here would have acted if the band had canceled two weeks ago and the bill had been repealed prior to the scheduled show date?
I understand... but 48 hours? They could have announced last week, even Friday? Or announced if the bill still stood as law by 4/18 (or whenever) that they would cancel... they didn't make a peep while this debate raged for weeks and just when everyone assumed it was safe, BAM!

If they cancelled before and the bill was repealed (and being a NC resident, it's been clear no quick repeal was in the works, despite a pretty loud public outrcry), rescheduling should not have been too difficult, I think. Bands cancel for all types of reasons all the time, usually due to a last minute emergency, but still.

Regarding contractual issues - I don't know specific terms of PNC Arena contracts, but I wonder if the fines are higher if you cancel outside of 48 hours rather than within. That would ensure a band would be locked in to play and that the only reason to cancel would have to be a serious emergency or such. The logic being that an event would not cancel on their fans at the last minute unless they really needed to.

I have no idea- I'm just speculating here. It is odd that Bruce and PJ were 48 hours out, but other smaller venues have been cancelled further ahead of time.

bootlegger10 · April 2016

camsjam said:
Maybe if cancelled less than 48 hours there would be high cancellation fees payable to the arena and the band was struggling with a decision until the last minute. Can't imagine they would have had to pay more if cancelling a week or two out. It's a done deal and I don't know what reasons are going to make the angrier fans understand. I rejoined 10c recently after reading as a guest for a time. Pearl Jam aside I thought this was such a positive community filled with intelligent, kind, funny and helpful people. Much different than most forums you see on the Internet. Okay some of you are a hot mess...but mostly in a good way. Life throws shit around all the time. I hate to see it make everyone bitter. Peace

I just want an acknowledgement from the band that their indecision and delay cost people a lot more money and time than it should of. I want them to acknowledge they are business and screwed over their customers for their personal whims.

Vedd Hedd · April 2016

bootlegger10 said:

camsjam said:
Maybe if cancelled less than 48 hours there would be high cancellation fees payable to the arena and the band was struggling with a decision until the last minute. Can't imagine they would have had to pay more if cancelling a week or two out. It's a done deal and I don't know what reasons are going to make the angrier fans understand. I rejoined 10c recently after reading as a guest for a time. Pearl Jam aside I thought this was such a positive community filled with intelligent, kind, funny and helpful people. Much different than most forums you see on the Internet. Okay some of you are a hot mess...but mostly in a good way. Life throws shit around all the time. I hate to see it make everyone bitter. Peace
I just want an acknowledgement from the band that their indecision and delay cost people a lot more money and time than it should of. I want them to acknowledge they are business and screwed over their customers for their personal whims.

Every time i am about to agree with you....you say something that makes me not agree with you.

I would hardly call this a personal whim.

You can hate the decision, and you can disagree with their approach to the protest. You can endorse HB2 if thats your thing, too. But do you really feel this is a personal whim?

Do you really think they intentionally set out to hurt their own fans?

The level of weirdness is pretty thick here.

my2hands · April 2016

Nobody questions the righteousness of the cause, I fully support it, as I'm sure most of us do.... because of that, I don't see a need to debate it here

The issue at hand is the timing of the decision/announcement and it's impact on their fans

The staff person & police officer running the 10c ticket line were asking everybody where they were from and getting a kick out of it... people literally were from EVERYWHERE, including international travelers... everyone I talked to was from somewhere else... I understand that a majority of an arena for any given PJ concert is a majority of locals, but this band clearly has a very healthy traveling fan base...

these are the people camping out overnight for GA... these are the people waiting for hours in the merch line... these are the people using vacation days and discretionary income to see their favorite band... year after year... these folks really got screwed by this timing

It's not the end of the world, and hopefully the effort helps this movement succeed in a quick and sensible fashion... Pearl Jam is definitely on the right side of history on this issue... I just hope their fans, specifically those that like to travel, were strongly considered before making a decision/announcement so late in the game

Why the hell did you wait so long to cancel?

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