Pearl Jam cancels Raleigh, NC show over HB2

dignin · April 2016

brianlux said:
Son of a gun... AMT having much more civil discussion that what we're seeing on the porch. It's a blood bath up there!

I'm sure I would be unhappy if Missoula (my one and only PJ show) had been cancelled. It took my wife and I three or four days to get there and we were on small roads and highways- no cell phone service most of the time, never any internet and didn't even bother to buy a newspaper. It was a getaway kind of trip. We would have gotten there and missed the show. But for a good cause, I honestly believe I would NOT have spewed the kind of venom and anger I'm seeing on the porch. We would still have made a good road trip out of it, hopefully met some of you good folks I did meet there, would have made plans for another show and would still be a fan. I just can't get behind all the hate.

It's strange when you here a lot of hate coming from people who aren't even going to the show. Doesn't effect them in any way, so why are they so angry?

mickeyrat · April 2016

dignin said:

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brianlux said:
Son of a gun... AMT having much more civil discussion that what we're seeing on the porch. It's a blood bath up there!

I'm sure I would be unhappy if Missoula (my one and only PJ show) had been cancelled. It took my wife and I three or four days to get there and we were on small roads and highways- no cell phone service most of the time, never any internet and didn't even bother to buy a newspaper. It was a getaway kind of trip. We would have gotten there and missed the show. But for a good cause, I honestly believe I would NOT have spewed the kind of venom and anger I'm seeing on the porch. We would still have made a good road trip out of it, hopefully met some of you good folks I did meet there, would have made plans for another show and would still be a fan. I just can't get behind all the hate.
It's strange when you here a lot of hate coming from people who aren't even going to the show. Doesn't effect them in any way, so why are they so angry?

Because it could happen to them.

gimmesometruth27 · April 2016

here is the text of the bill.

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/House/PDF/H2v1.pdf

gimmesometruth27 · April 2016

here are the people who voted for this piece of crap. if you are pissed off, do something useful, like call these people.

http://keepncsafe.org/roll-call-hb2/

HB 2– HOUSE Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act.
Sponsor: Bishop
Third Reading Outcome: PASS
Time: Mar 23 2016 3:05PM
Total Votes: 108 Ayes: 82 Noes: 26 Not: 0 Exc. Absent: 11 Exc. Vote: 0
Democrat Republican
Ayes: Representative(s): Brisson; C. Graham; Floyd; G. Graham; Goodman; Hunter; L. Bell; Pierce; Salmon; W. Richardson; Wray Representative(s): Adams; Arp; Avila; Bishop; Blackwell; Blust; Boles; Bradford; Brawley; Brody; Bryan; Bumgardner; Burr; Catlin; Cleveland; Collins; Conrad; Daughtry; Davis; Dixon; Dobson; Dollar; Elmore; Faircloth; Ford; Fraley; Hager; Hardister; Hastings; Horn; Howard; Hurley; Iler; J. Bell; Jones; Jordan; K. Hall; L. Johnson; Lambeth; Langdon; Lewis; Malone; McElraft; McNeill; Millis; Murphy; Pittman; Presnell; R. Brown; R. Turner; Riddell; Robinson; Ross; S. Martin; Saine; Schaffer; Setzer; Shepard; Speciale; Stam; Steinburg; Stevens; Szoka; T. Moore (SPEAKER); Torbett; Warren; Watford; West; Whitmire; Yarborough; Zachary

Noes: Representative(s): Ager; Alexander; B. Richardson; B. Turner; Baskerville; Brockman; Cotham; Cunningham; D. Hall; Farmer-Butterfield; G. Martin; Gill; Hamilton; Hanes; Harrison; Holley; Insko; Jackson; L. Hall; Lucas; Meyer; Michaux; R. Moore; Reives; Willingham Representative(s): Tine

Exc. Absence: Representative(s): Adcock; Carney; Earle; Fisher; Luebke; Queen; Terry; Waddell Representative(s): Jeter; McGrady; Pendleton

ROLL CALL (1 Votes)
Legislative Session Day 1 (03-23-2016)

1 HB 2-Senate Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act.
Sponsor: Bishop
Third Reading Outcome: PASS
Time: Mar 23 2016 6:29PM
Total Votes: 32 Ayes: 32 Noes: 0 Not: 11 Exc. Absent: 6 Exc. Vote: 0
Democrat Republican
Ayes: Senator(s): None Senator(s): Alexander; Apodaca; B. Jackson; Barefoot; Barringer; Berger; Bingham; Brock; Brown; Cook; Curtis; Daniel; Gunn; Harrington; Hartsell; Hise; J. Davis; Krawiec; Lee; McInnis; Meredith; Newton; Pate; Rabin; Rabon; Randleman; Sanderson; Tarte; Tillman; Tucker; Wade; Wells
Not Voting: Senator(s): Blue; Clark; D. Davis; Foushee; J. Jackson; Lowe; McKissick; Robinson; Smith-Ingram; Van Duyn; Woodard Senator(s): None
Exc. Absence: Senator(s): Bryant; Ford; Smith; Waddell Senator(s): Rucho; Soucek

hedonist · April 2016

mickeyrat said:

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Free said:
Losing money in travel plans in this Deal pales in comparison to losing one's dignity, and privacy and basic human rights.
It gives the appearance that wasnt as important when the bill was first broadcast. Just now.

To be clear, this is a bullshit law from folks who just cant seem to live without judgement of others, like their religion suggests they do. I wonder though what kind of good the procedes from the show could have done to LGBTQ organizations or the ACLU in fighting this law in the couurts.

Yup. Rock on - you too, rr.

*edited to remove the certain mentalities comment

dignin · April 2016

mickeyrat said:

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dignin said:

brianlux said:
Son of a gun... AMT having much more civil discussion that what we're seeing on the porch. It's a blood bath up there!

I'm sure I would be unhappy if Missoula (my one and only PJ show) had been cancelled. It took my wife and I three or four days to get there and we were on small roads and highways- no cell phone service most of the time, never any internet and didn't even bother to buy a newspaper. It was a getaway kind of trip. We would have gotten there and missed the show. But for a good cause, I honestly believe I would NOT have spewed the kind of venom and anger I'm seeing on the porch. We would still have made a good road trip out of it, hopefully met some of you good folks I did meet there, would have made plans for another show and would still be a fan. I just can't get behind all the hate.
It's strange when you here a lot of hate coming from people who aren't even going to the show. Doesn't effect them in any way, so why are they so angry?
Because it could happen to them.

But it didn't. So why bother with the anger? How is it worth it?

gimmesometruth27 · April 2016

muskydan said:

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callen said:

muskydan said:
Say it ain't so... I'd be fuming if I were traveling to this show. Maybe I am the only one who feels this way, but if you had tics to this show let's hear from you....your true feelings not some BS PC feelings..
So this is the band you like. This is the bands fan website to which you visit. PJ has been very clear about their positions on social matters. PJ fans mostly agree with their positions and like them for matching their views

So hope to hear WMA soon. .

Timing could of been better.
So what's your point?? Are you implying this band is not for me since I don't agree w/ many of their political statements?? I like rock n Roll period...cause it's only Rock n roll and I like it. You know, Not everyone's mind who likes this band is rotted to the core liberal Mumbo Jumbo...

Getting back to the point, I would love to hear from someone who was directly effected by this Fuck You move by the boys.... Someone chime in who has tics...

do you honestly see this as a "fuck you" to the fans?

if so, you are missing the bigger picture.

timing could have been better, yes. but do you honestly think ed and the boys would compromise their beliefs for a payday?

mickeyrat · April 2016

In other news. Earthquakes rocking Japan and Ecuador. Seem to be some kind of little skirmish in a far away land called Syria. Couple busses got blown up in Jerusalem. Saudi Arabia is publically seeking to influence our Congress. Egypt just received an military aid package from France to include naval vessels and aircraft. And Yemen remains a hot spot. Opec isnt cutting production........

catefrances · April 2016

gimmesometruth27 said:

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muskydan said:

callen said:

muskydan said:
Say it ain't so... I'd be fuming if I were traveling to this show. Maybe I am the only one who feels this way, but if you had tics to this show let's hear from you....your true feelings not some BS PC feelings..
So this is the band you like. This is the bands fan website to which you visit. PJ has been very clear about their positions on social matters. PJ fans mostly agree with their positions and like them for matching their views

So hope to hear WMA soon. .

Timing could of been better.
So what's your point?? Are you implying this band is not for me since I don't agree w/ many of their political statements?? I like rock n Roll period...cause it's only Rock n roll and I like it. You know, Not everyone's mind who likes this band is rotted to the core liberal Mumbo Jumbo...

Getting back to the point, I would love to hear from someone who was directly effected by this Fuck You move by the boys.... Someone chime in who has tics...
do you honestly see this as a "fuck you" to the fans?

if so, you are missing the bigger picture.

timing could have been better, yes. but do you honestly think ed and the boys would compromise their beliefs for a payday?

well they've continued to work with ticketbastard...

gimmesometruth27 · April 2016

catefrances said:

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gimmesometruth27 said:

muskydan said:

callen said:

muskydan said:
Say it ain't so... I'd be fuming if I were traveling to this show. Maybe I am the only one who feels this way, but if you had tics to this show let's hear from you....your true feelings not some BS PC feelings..
So this is the band you like. This is the bands fan website to which you visit. PJ has been very clear about their positions on social matters. PJ fans mostly agree with their positions and like them for matching their views

So hope to hear WMA soon. .

Timing could of been better.
So what's your point?? Are you implying this band is not for me since I don't agree w/ many of their political statements?? I like rock n Roll period...cause it's only Rock n roll and I like it. You know, Not everyone's mind who likes this band is rotted to the core liberal Mumbo Jumbo...

Getting back to the point, I would love to hear from someone who was directly effected by this Fuck You move by the boys.... Someone chime in who has tics...
do you honestly see this as a "fuck you" to the fans?

if so, you are missing the bigger picture.

timing could have been better, yes. but do you honestly think ed and the boys would compromise their beliefs for a payday?
well they've continued to work with ticketbastard...

they lost.

it was either do it themselves which did not work out so well, or deal with their el guapo. they chose to work with their el guapo.

InHiding80 · April 2016

gimmesometruth27 said:
i get it. people are upset. and that is their right. i get it. i would be upset for selfish reasons probably as well. but i get what the band is doing.

but anybody that has been following this band for any length of time knows that they stand on the side of social justice and standing up for the oppressed.

They're taking the low road. There are a number of bands with republicans in them that I listen to like Aerosmith, Metallica and Ramones but I'm above that butthurt crap the Nugent lovers are spouting.

catefrances · April 2016

gimmesometruth27 said:

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catefrances said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

muskydan said:

callen said:

muskydan said:
Say it ain't so... I'd be fuming if I were traveling to this show. Maybe I am the only one who feels this way, but if you had tics to this show let's hear from you....your true feelings not some BS PC feelings..
So this is the band you like. This is the bands fan website to which you visit. PJ has been very clear about their positions on social matters. PJ fans mostly agree with their positions and like them for matching their views

So hope to hear WMA soon. .

Timing could of been better.
So what's your point?? Are you implying this band is not for me since I don't agree w/ many of their political statements?? I like rock n Roll period...cause it's only Rock n roll and I like it. You know, Not everyone's mind who likes this band is rotted to the core liberal Mumbo Jumbo...

Getting back to the point, I would love to hear from someone who was directly effected by this Fuck You move by the boys.... Someone chime in who has tics...
do you honestly see this as a "fuck you" to the fans?

if so, you are missing the bigger picture.

timing could have been better, yes. but do you honestly think ed and the boys would compromise their beliefs for a payday?
well they've continued to work with ticketbastard...

they lost.

it was either do it themselves which did not work out so well, or deal with their el guapo. they chose to work with their el guapo.

so they sold their collective soul.. i get it.

gimmesometruth27 · April 2016

does anybody for one second think that the band did not weigh this backlash against them? did they not expect it?

you know that they did. and you know they probably feel bad about the people that are inconvenienced by their decision.

but you know where ed is right now?

on stage in virginia not giving a flying turd about their haters.

catefrances · April 2016

gimmesometruth27 said:
does anybody for one second think that the band did not weigh this backlash against them? did they not expect it?

you know that they did. and you know they probably feel bad about the people that are inconvenienced by their decision.

but you know where ed is right now?

on stage in virginia not giving a flying turd about their haters.

i support anyone who rallies against injustice. and ive no doubt the band isn't braiding each others hair, drinking appletinis and laughing at all those fans they inconvenienced. of course it was a tough decision but its also tough o those who organised their lives around this gig, forking over hard earned money for tickets, travel and accommodation. i do not begrudge them their venting at all. id be furious.. but sense would prevail and id see my privilege for just that.

gimmesometruth27 · April 2016

catefrances said:

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gimmesometruth27 said:
does anybody for one second think that the band did not weigh this backlash against them? did they not expect it?

you know that they did. and you know they probably feel bad about the people that are inconvenienced by their decision.

but you know where ed is right now?

on stage in virginia not giving a flying turd about their haters.
i support anyone who rallies against injustice. and ive no doubt the band isn't braiding each others hair, drinking appletinis and laughing at all those fans they inconvenienced. of course it was a tough decision but its also tough o those who organised their lives around this gig, forking over hard earned money for tickets, travel and accommodation. i do not begrudge them their venting at all. id be furious.. but sense would prevail and id see my privilege for just that.

i don't begrudge them either. i would be pretty upset too initially. then i would realize that it is not about me and my privilege and that they don't owe me a single thing. it is about doing what is right and about telling these backwoods dimbulb politicians that they are not going to support this latest affront on civil liberties by playing in their state.

all this does is piss people off enough to make them want to call the governor, call the senators, call the reps, have the people hold their government accountable.

i do not speak for the band, but could it be that they were waiting to see if the governor caves to the pressure and when he wouldn't they pulled the plug?

people forget that the band is losing a lot of money too. they had to rent the arena, pay up front for security, pay insurance, etc. none of that is refundable.

gimmesometruth27 · April 2016

This is what it is about.

Laura Jane Grace of Against Me!

True trans ep 1 Growing up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCIWuFB3vE

Ep 2 Gender Dysphoria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5OZ2OMiTH0&ebc=ANyPxKqqBKmjzyy1TkbhsGaommGUKwC7xkMkPDcYrGGh3T2gSrFbCBmxQvtuBBuihTJ_CnGxx3-F_KqxNKP99yL2nNyugU8rcA

Ep 3 Finding Trans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsLimw76m_0

Ep 4 Not Alone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEikrnjYD6E

Ep 5 Coming out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5026Fnq-q80

gimmesometruth27 · April 2016

Ep 6 Transitioning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oTTDkEwf14

Ep 7 Resilience

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGsO-eHfpVs

Ep 8 Relationships

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unv2-WJhWOU

Ep 9 Transparenting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77ot7wYri6A

Ep 10 Acceptance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZYsa3A4R3M

InHiding80 · April 2016

Can you imagine how today's Y'all Qaeda would react if it were 1985 and their favorite musicians dare to not play Sun City? They'd be just as ignorant I guarantee you.

Wobbie · April 2016

Prince Of Dorkness said:

BTW... you say you want to keep men out of women's washrooms?

This is my friend Buck. HE was born a woman. He must now legally use women's washrooms when in one of those garbage hate states. THIS is what you're supporting. Just want to make sure you get that,

I get that.....but Buck is never going into a ladies room. Maybe he SHOULD just to point out what a stupid law this is. Either way, we don't need people telling us which bathrooms to use but we also don't need to hyperventilate over such dumb laws. Just use the bathroom that's being used by the people whose outward anatomy resembles yours. I do understand that might be tough during the transition. I trust your best judgement.

Wobbie · April 2016

^^^^ P.S. I'm very liberal. To be, this is a misguided but unenforceable law. I don't forsee the formation of a State Bathroom Police. I guess I'm missing the outrage(?)

Pearl Jam cancels Raleigh, NC show over HB2

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