^^^^ P.S. I'm very liberal. To be, this is a misguided but unenforceable law. I don't forsee the formation of a State Bathroom Police. I guess I'm missing the outrage(?)
Could be just the start of many laws. Have to take a stand somewhere.
Besides, it's more about the message the law is trying to send. Trying to set those "strange trans" people in their place.
The bigots that passed this law need to be stood up too.
I get where you're coming from but I'm not sure if the politicians are bigots or maybe merely idiots.
If I had known then what I know now...
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This is why I love this band. Good going guys. I wanted to sign the petition, but it only seems to be for people living in the US.
I find it absurd that this can happen in 2016. The people responsible should go to jail. I am amazed that two people finding love in this harsh world can offend people so much they would make a law to make their live harder and withhold them of basis rights.
It shouldn't have even been possible to get this far.
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Ray Charles took a stand against segregation in GA. Some times taking a stand for the greater good of all people and speaking out against discrimination IS the right thing to do. Keeping the pressure on. Bringing attention to the wrongdoing. It might be starting to work. TN, my home state, dropped their own version of this ridiculous bill today. I'm sad for the fans in NC because I was just at the Greenville SC show which was so amazing, but I am proud of PJ for taking a stand
i'd really like to hear why it took so long to make this decision ...
i wish there was a way of compensating everyone who spend a lot of money to attend these shows ... the major CC companies could make a huge stand here if they were to facilitate reimbursements for those that booked flights and hotel rooms ...
When you get down to the brass tacks, if this sets precedent, there will be only a handful of places in the world where PJ should play a show if there is some piece of legislation they disagree with. They will will have to focus on Norway or someplace special in the land of gum drops and lolly pops.
When you get down to the brass tacks, if this sets precedent, there will be only a handful of places in the world where PJ should play a show if there is some piece of legislation they disagree with. They will will have to focus on Norway or someplace special in the land of gum drops and lolly pops.
Not really how that works. You can take up one cause without taking up them all. But if that was how it works I would be okay with that, I'm guessing more Canadian tours.
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does anybody for one second think that the band did not weigh this backlash against them? did they not expect it?
you know that they did. and you know they probably feel bad about the people that are inconvenienced by their decision.
but you know where ed is right now?
on stage in virginia not giving a flying turd about their haters.
Somebody put up a cell phone video of facebook of Ed talking about the decision to cancel in NC and you can easily see from it that this was not an easy decision and that Ed felt bad about it for the fans that were let down. I can't find that video but if anyone finds it, would be worth posting here (or on the porch)- might help to ease some of the anger.
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I am sure it was a tough decision but perhaps when Bruce canceled on the 8th Pearl Jam could have canceled then too and not wait until 48 hours prior to show time. It is their right to cancel and I fully support their choice, but I do not support the fact they waited to make that decision.
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I am sure it was a tough decision but perhaps when Bruce canceled on the 8th Pearl Jam could have canceled then too and not wait until 48 hours prior to show time. It is their right to cancel and I fully support their choice, but I do not support the fact they waited to make that decision.
This, 100%. I'm sure it was a tough decision. I'm sure it could have been made a week+ ago. I'm sure Eddie's anguish is something a bottle of wine will erase. I know it sent a message to the fan base letting them know where he places the fans on his value chain, and what he thinks about commitments and contracts.
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Perhaps the boys should hire someone to review laws of the state they are planning on playing and skip the states that they do not agree with.
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I am sure it was a tough decision but perhaps when Bruce canceled on the 8th Pearl Jam could have canceled then too and not wait until 48 hours prior to show time. It is their right to cancel and I fully support their choice, but I do not support the fact they waited to make that decision.
This, 100%. I'm sure it was a tough decision. I'm sure it could have been made a week+ ago. I'm sure Eddie's anguish is something a bottle of wine will erase. I know it sent a message to the fan base letting them know where he places the fans on his value chain, and what he thinks about commitments and contracts.
Trying to stay on the sidelines of this entire conversation, but Raleigh aside, I would hope that we can all agree that we would want our to band place equality above performing for their fans.
When was the HB2 bill first introduced to the state legislature? Was it before the tour was announced? If so perhaps the best time to cancel would have been then, its much easier to stop/change a bill before its law...not 3 days before the concert. It is what i is, highly doubt a few rock acts not playing North Carolina will have much impact. Now if Nascar and all teams that are based in North Carolina picked up and left then things might get accomplished...imo...and I do think paying customers come first...and these concerts could have still went on with and all proceeds could have been given for legal action and the stage could have been used by the groups to promote LGBT rights...imo.
In the end I do support the bands right to cancel a show in support of LGBT rights...just not convinced a few rock acts will make a difference.
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I am sure it was a tough decision but perhaps when Bruce canceled on the 8th Pearl Jam could have canceled then too and not wait until 48 hours prior to show time. It is their right to cancel and I fully support their choice, but I do not support the fact they waited to make that decision.
This, 100%. I'm sure it was a tough decision. I'm sure it could have been made a week+ ago. I'm sure Eddie's anguish is something a bottle of wine will erase. I know it sent a message to the fan base letting them know where he places the fans on his value chain, and what he thinks about commitments and contracts.
Trying to stay on the sidelines of this entire conversation, but Raleigh aside, I would hope that we can all agree that we would want our to band place equality above performing for their fans.
I agree with you, since you said Raleigh aside. My negative comments regarding PJ's lack of respect for fans, and for contracts and commitments have to do with the circumstances specific to Raleigh, and the timing of their contract breach. Had they cancelled a week+ ago and not thrown their fans under the bus, this entire discussion would have been remarkably different. Some people still would have been mad about the cancellation, but most fans would have understood and been fine with it. The way they handled this case showed incredible irresponsibility, and a disdain for their fans. But I'm sure Ed made Bruce proud, and that's the important thing.
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I am sure it was a tough decision but perhaps when Bruce canceled on the 8th Pearl Jam could have canceled then too and not wait until 48 hours prior to show time. It is their right to cancel and I fully support their choice, but I do not support the fact they waited to make that decision.
This, 100%. I'm sure it was a tough decision. I'm sure it could have been made a week+ ago. I'm sure Eddie's anguish is something a bottle of wine will erase. I know it sent a message to the fan base letting them know where he places the fans on his value chain, and what he thinks about commitments and contracts.
Trying to stay on the sidelines of this entire conversation, but Raleigh aside, I would hope that we can all agree that we would want our to band place equality above performing for their fans.
I agree with you, since you said Raleigh aside. My negative comments regarding PJ's lack of respect for fans, and for contracts and commitments have to do with the circumstances specific to Raleigh, and the timing of their contract breach. Had they cancelled a week+ ago and not thrown their fans under the bus, this entire discussion would have been remarkably different. Some people still would have been mad about the cancellation, but most fans would have understood and been fine with it. The way they handled this case showed incredible irresponsibility, and a disdain for their fans. But I'm sure Ed made Bruce proud, and that's the important thing.
I am sure it was a tough decision but perhaps when Bruce canceled on the 8th Pearl Jam could have canceled then too and not wait until 48 hours prior to show time. It is their right to cancel and I fully support their choice, but I do not support the fact they waited to make that decision.
This, 100%. I'm sure it was a tough decision. I'm sure it could have been made a week+ ago. I'm sure Eddie's anguish is something a bottle of wine will erase. I know it sent a message to the fan base letting them know where he places the fans on his value chain, and what he thinks about commitments and contracts.
Trying to stay on the sidelines of this entire conversation, but Raleigh aside, I would hope that we can all agree that we would want our to band place equality above performing for their fans.
I agree with you, since you said Raleigh aside. My negative comments regarding PJ's lack of respect for fans, and for contracts and commitments have to do with the circumstances specific to Raleigh, and the timing of their contract breach. Had they cancelled a week+ ago and not thrown their fans under the bus, this entire discussion would have been remarkably different. Some people still would have been mad about the cancellation, but most fans would have understood and been fine with it. The way they handled this case showed incredible irresponsibility, and a disdain for their fans. But I'm sure Ed made Bruce proud, and that's the important thing.
Completely agree with your assessment here..If the announcement would have been a week ago it would have given some fans time to cancel and rearrange show plans possibly
My original "anger" to it all was how the fans were an afterthought in the whole process and how insincere it appears when they rode Bruce's coattails when they made this decision
I just don't understand why they couldn't hold a rally, play the concert have their voices heard created one hell of a concert atmosphere with a just cause, and then donate some money to the cause...imagine how much exposure all that would have given to the issue
When was the HB2 bill first introduced to the state legislature? Was it before the tour was announced?
No that bill was conceived, written, voted, passed and signed within 2 days.
The REAL reason for that bill (and most like it) is to also jam through other attacks on freedoms and the working poor... limiting minimum wages, taking away worker's rights... as long as they wrap it up in "trans women are going to molest your daughter" rhetoric people will support it.
When you get down to the brass tacks, if this sets precedent, there will be only a handful of places in the world where PJ should play a show if there is some piece of legislation they disagree with. They will will have to focus on Norway or someplace special in the land of gum drops and lolly pops.
Not really how that works. You can take up one cause without taking up them all. But if that was how it works I would be okay with that, I'm guessing more Canadian tours.
Well, a standard has been set on laws that discriminate and if PJ will play in that entire region. There are many states and countries (entire continents in some cases) that have laws that people could argue discriminate against others.
If this isn't how it works, the canceling the concert is not working.
Say it ain't so... I'd be fuming if I were traveling to this show. Maybe I am the only one who feels this way, but if you had tics to this show let's hear from you....your true feelings not some BS PC feelings..
I guess not to many agree with you on this , my true feelings !!
This isn't about the law.I think we all agree it's bullshit.This is about timing and last minute nonsense. If they really wanted an impact they would have continued to play and been vocal leaders getting the fans to come together in mass,to denounce the law.That would have been the way to go.
That does nothing for the cause we here on the forum would be talking about it but no one else .... They cancelled and it makes the news way more effective..
When was the HB2 bill first introduced to the state legislature? Was it before the tour was announced?
No that bill was conceived, written, voted, passed and signed within 2 days.
The REAL reason for that bill (and most like it) is to also jam through other attacks on freedoms and the working poor... limiting minimum wages, taking away worker's rights... as long as they wrap it up in "trans women are going to molest your daughter" rhetoric people will support it.
Thank you for the clarification...any legislation that was conceived, written, voted, passed and signed within 2 days ... should raise warnings signs with the electorate.
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Say it ain't so... I'd be fuming if I were traveling to this show. Maybe I am the only one who feels this way, but if you had tics to this show let's hear from you....your true feelings not some BS PC feelings..
I guess not to many agree with you on this , my true feelings !!
No surprise there with all the Libby mush brains that adore PJ and put them on some high pedistal
BTW, if you don't think they delayed this cancellation so they could get ALL the spot light 2 weeks later and not tread on Bruce's, Well you ain't paying attention. 35$ t-shirts, 65$ Cheap ass Hoodies, $25 dollar hats.... I mean come on, all of their merch is just crap cheap shit other then the posters. its not cheap living the cherished life. I ain't mad at'em, make it while you can is what I say....don't ever forget that lovely STYX song, The Grand Illusion.... I fool'em everyday...
Say it ain't so... I'd be fuming if I were traveling to this show. Maybe I am the only one who feels this way, but if you had tics to this show let's hear from you....your true feelings not some BS PC feelings..
I guess not to many agree with you on this , my true feelings !!
No surprise there with all the Libby mush brains that adore PJ and put them on some high pedistal
BTW, if you don't think they delayed this cancellation so they could get ALL the spot light 2 weeks later and not tread on Bruce's, Well you ain't paying attention. 35$ t-shirts, 65$ Cheap ass Hoodies, $25 dollar hats.... I mean come on, all of their merch is just crap cheap shit other then the posters. its not cheap living the cherished life. I ain't mad at'em, make it while you can is what I say....don't ever forget that lovely STYX song, The Grand Illusion.... I fool'em everyday...
Hey what ever works for you I say ..
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Pearl Jam made a mistake, a big mistake, in not canceling sooner. They waited too long and in that screwed over their fans. They should apologize for waiting too long to make their decision. Admit their mistake.
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Pearl Jam made a mistake, a big mistake, in not canceling sooner. They waited too long and in that screwed over their fans. They should apologize for waiting too long to make their decision. Admit their mistake.
Ed apologized profusely in the video. People will get over it or not, remain fans or not. Maybe some here need to find a band (lots of 'em out there) that doesn't care about social and environmental issues and such. What the hay, there always the Nug!
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Besides, it's more about the message the law is trying to send. Trying to set those "strange trans" people in their place.
The bigots that passed this law need to be stood up too.
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I wanted to sign the petition, but it only seems to be for people living in the US.
I find it absurd that this can happen in 2016.
The people responsible should go to jail.
I am amazed that two people finding love in this harsh world can offend people so much they would make a law to make their live harder and withhold them of basis rights.
It shouldn't have even been possible to get this far.
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i wish there was a way of compensating everyone who spend a lot of money to attend these shows ... the major CC companies could make a huge stand here if they were to facilitate reimbursements for those that booked flights and hotel rooms ...
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13 Wrigley Field
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98 CAA
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05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
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08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
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In the end I do support the bands right to cancel a show in support of LGBT rights...just not convinced a few rock acts will make a difference.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
My original "anger" to it all was how the fans were an afterthought in the whole process and how insincere it appears when they rode Bruce's coattails when they made this decision
I just don't understand why they couldn't hold a rally, play the concert have their voices heard created one hell of a concert atmosphere with a just cause, and then donate some money to the cause...imagine how much exposure all that would have given to the issue
The REAL reason for that bill (and most like it) is to also jam through other attacks on freedoms and the working poor... limiting minimum wages, taking away worker's rights... as long as they wrap it up in "trans women are going to molest your daughter" rhetoric people will support it.
If this isn't how it works, the canceling the concert is not working.
They cancelled and it makes the news way more effective..
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
BTW, if you don't think they delayed this cancellation so they could get ALL the spot light 2 weeks later and not tread on Bruce's, Well you ain't paying attention. 35$ t-shirts, 65$ Cheap ass Hoodies, $25 dollar hats.... I mean come on, all of their merch is just crap cheap shit other then the posters. its not cheap living the cherished life.
I ain't mad at'em, make it while you can is what I say....don't ever forget that lovely STYX song, The Grand Illusion.... I fool'em everyday...
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