Pearl Jam Cancels 4/20 Raleigh, NC Concert in Opposition to HB2; Official Band Statement

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  • Mignelli14
    Mignelli14 Posts: 626
    Don't be afraid to call your hotels and airlines. Get them on the phone and rip em out.
    Well maybe be nice first but don't be shy. Good luck getting refunds, and I hope you get some enjoyment in lieu of the show.
    And I hope everyone can be respectful on the matter here. I know it's a frustrating issue, but come on with the name calling. Show some class guys
  • jeffwalsh
    jeffwalsh Posts: 169
    JP Losman said:

    Seriously, PJ fans...its okay to acknowledge they didn't handle this properly.

    Yeah, everyone's been so shy to criticize them in here. ;-)

    Ultimately, there was no way to handle this where you wouldn't have upset some people (I've been going back and forth with 10c for a week about not wanting to attend because of this law, for example), in which case they should do what felt appropriate for themselves, which I'm assuming they did.
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    jeffwalsh said:

    ehbacon said:

    hate this, should've just been a politically charged show

    The politically charged show is on for Thursday!
    Yeah, I really hope Columbia doesn't turn into a crapper. I just want to hear music. I don't want to be the Raleigh step child.
  • choop
    choop Posts: 1,060
    The sense of entitlement over a concert here is ridiculous. For real. This is a group of musicians who never have to work a day in their life again, but continue to be as good as ever live on a regular basis, ensuring you will get to see them again, and buy your fucking stickers again, or whatever.

    Tons of respect for Pearl Jam today. You can compare this to laws in other states or conditions in other countries or whatever, but that's silly. The national focus is on this one. As it should be. Discrimination based on any factor in a government sanctioned form is no good.

    99.9% of the fan base have no idea what it would be like to be transgendered and needing to use a public bathroom. The overwhelming amount of Pearl Jam fans are white men, who don't know what it's like to be discriminated against. You might not know what it's like to live in a city where the minimum wage doesn't cut it, but unlike other cities like Seattle, have a local government who can do nothing about it.

    You live in your bubble focusing on what rock show you can no longer attend this week, when people have struggles and issues that are based in real life.

    Discrimination is not a left vs right, Dem vs Republican debate, it's a human rights issue.

    And it doesn't matter what you think Pearl Jam should do. They did what they thought they should do.

    Additionally, I understand it sucks to be out money, but let this be a lesson. I don't travel for shows much, maybe once a year, but always make sure I can cancel.

    If you travel for a rock show, there is always a small chance that something can happen. Flights are tricky/expensive to change but can be changed. Hotel reservations are generally able to be made and cancelled at no cost unless you use a bargain service, which maybe you shouldn't do for a show. Same with rental cars. Sure they have their place, but for concerts, sporting events, anything that is an event, you shouldn't try to save a couple of bucks and you should always chose the options with the ability to cancel.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    Is there a case to be made that waiting till two days before the show was the right way to handle this? I've been racking my brain and can't come up with one. This really feels like a misstep.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    JimmyV said:

    Is there a case to be made that waiting till two days before the show was the right way to handle this? I've been racking my brain and can't come up with one. This really feels like a misstep.

    The only possible reason for waiting is if they thought the law would miraculously get changed prior to them having to make this decision.
  • Kimba13
    Kimba13 Pittsburgh Posts: 4
    Wow. I am in awe they waited this long. I am out $500 now.
  • jeffwalsh
    jeffwalsh Posts: 169
    JimmyV said:

    Is there a case to be made that waiting till two days before the show was the right way to handle this? I've been racking my brain and can't come up with one. This really feels like a misstep.

    Without any other information as to why that is the case, yes, it would be hard to make an informed case about this issue. But since I know Louis CK canceled a show 48 hours out, and Bruce also did it, there does seem to be something to it.

    Just a note, though, according to Google News, there are 296 articles for "Pearl Jam Cancels Raleigh"
  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,631
    My response from another thread....
    Vedd Hedd said:

    I would definitely be upset if a concert i was going to got cancelled, esp if I had a hotel room, flight, etc. I would also be upset if i wasnt afforded the basic freedom to use the restroom that suits my gender.

    Its sorta like being white, and being uspet that the bus was cancelled because Rosa Parks wasnt allowed in the front. Yes, you can be upset you didnt get to work that day....but a whole group of people dont have some basic rights. So, in the end, I would understand. Its definitely upsetting when you dont get to see the band you love. But its more upsetting when a huge group of americans are being denied rights.

    My suggestion...if you have unrefundable tickets, see if you can transfer them to another state. If not, go on your vacation and enjoy your pto, knowing that you dont have to worry about some of the same problems that trans people have to deal with. And maybe join the fight.

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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    The Waiting Trophy Man said:


    If this is the worst thing to happen to you lately - lost $ on your flight/hotel room and your rock concert got cancelled - you're doing pretty good in life so stop your crying. There are people out there with real problems.

    This is an unfair judgment. Pretty much Pearl Jam concerts are my only travel because I can't afford anything else. I scrimp and save between tours and make financial sacrifices to be able to do it. If this cancellation happened to me, I'd be totally pissed because it would constitute a huge financial loss. Not everybody made it out of the 90s with corporate incomes.
  • Free
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    JimmyV said:

    Is there a case to be made that waiting till two days before the show was the right way to handle this? I've been racking my brain and can't come up with one. This really feels like a misstep.

    I wonder if perhaps there was possibly an ultimatum or maybe a deal that didn't fell through. Hey, you never know.
  • Ledbetterman10
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    choop said:


    99.9% of the fan base have no idea what it would be like to be transgendered and needing to use a public bathroom. The overwhelming amount of Pearl Jam fans are white men, who don't know what it's like to be discriminated against.

    This is true. But I gotta admit to being kinda confused on this whole issue. You note how awkward it must be to be transgendered and have to use a public restroom. I agree it must be. But wasn't the intent of this law to designate which bathroom to use? So that transgendered people don't have to wonder which one they should use or which one might offend people.Again, I'm of the understanding that this was the lawmakers intent. I don't think there was any malice behind it. But again, I'm not complete sure about all aspects of the issue.
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  • Vedd Hedd
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    Ledbetterman10 said:

    choop said:


    99.9% of the fan base have no idea what it would be like to be transgendered and needing to use a public bathroom. The overwhelming amount of Pearl Jam fans are white men, who don't know what it's like to be discriminated against.

    This is true. But I gotta admit to being kinda confused on this whole issue. You note how awkward it must be to be transgendered and have to use a public restroom. I agree it must be. But wasn't the intent of this law to designate which bathroom to use? So that transgendered people don't have to wonder which one they should use or which one might offend people.Again, I'm of the understanding that this was the lawmakers intent. I don't think there was any malice behind it. But again, I'm not complete sure about all aspects of the issue.
    If im not mistaken...this law states....if you were born male, and had a sex change to become female....then you have to use the male bathroom. Cause that's on your birth certificate.

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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    brianlux said:

    Lotta hate going on here, especially in light of (I assume) everyone here being (or until recently were) fans of Pearl Jam. Very ironic.

    What hate? Because of the blatant disrespect from Pearl Jam of its fans we are haters?
  • Mignelli14
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    Ledbetterman10 said:

    choop said:


    99.9% of the fan base have no idea what it would be like to be transgendered and needing to use a public bathroom. The overwhelming amount of Pearl Jam fans are white men, who don't know what it's like to be discriminated against.

    This is true. But I gotta admit to being kinda confused on this whole issue. You note how awkward it must be to be transgendered and have to use a public restroom. I agree it must be. But wasn't the intent of this law to designate which bathroom to use? So that transgendered people don't have to wonder which one they should use or which one might offend people.Again, I'm of the understanding that this was the lawmakers intent. I don't think there was any malice behind it. But again, I'm not complete sure about all aspects of the issue.
    I really like that you looked at this from a different angle, one I hadn't even considered. Kudos to you. Very interesting opinion at the least
  • Mike D88
    Mike D88 Tampa Posts: 767
    JimmyV said:

    Is there a case to be made that waiting till two days before the show was the right way to handle this? I've been racking my brain and can't come up with one. This really feels like a misstep.

    Way more publicity. If the show was cancelled two weeks ago, we'd be talking about it here, but none of the casual fans--the majority filling up those thousands of seats to hear Even Flow--would take much notice. There would not be 300 articles on Google News, to be sure.

    There's a greater potential for economic disruption as well, and nothing gets people politically motivated like impacts to business. The arena can't book something else on that date, hotels and rental car agencies will be inundated with cancellations and chargebacks, restaurants won't see the additional business, etc etc.
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  • jp307677
    jp307677 Boston Posts: 417
    I feel it was the right thing to do, although I would be very disappointed and heartbroken if I was planning to go to the show. Sorry guys
  • choop
    choop Posts: 1,060
    Ledbetterman10 said:

    choop said:


    99.9% of the fan base have no idea what it would be like to be transgendered and needing to use a public bathroom. The overwhelming amount of Pearl Jam fans are white men, who don't know what it's like to be discriminated against.

    This is true. But I gotta admit to being kinda confused on this whole issue. You note how awkward it must be to be transgendered and have to use a public restroom. I agree it must be. But wasn't the intent of this law to designate which bathroom to use? So that transgendered people don't have to wonder which one they should use or which one might offend people.Again, I'm of the understanding that this was the lawmakers intent. I don't think there was any malice behind it. But again, I'm not complete sure about all aspects of the issue.
    you can read up on the law more on your own but basically it restricts restroom use to that which is on your birth certificate, which requires a whole lot of effort to change in NC.
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  • jeffwalsh
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    Ledbetterman10 said:

    But wasn't the intent of this law to designate which bathroom to use? So that transgendered people don't have to wonder which one they should use or which one might offend people. Again, I'm of the understanding that this was the lawmakers intent. I don't think there was any malice behind it. But again, I'm not complete sure about all aspects of the issue.

    It is the opposite, it makes trans people use the opposite bathroom than they want to use, and puts trans people at risk, such as a trans woman being forced to use a men's room against her will. It is a made up law based on no incidents of their sexual predator fantasies ever happening. The last thing a trans person in a bathroom wants it to be ID'd as a trans person in a bathroom.

    As for malice, the group behind the bathroom bills is the Liberty Counsel, an evangelical Christian group that is also behind the "religious freedom" laws, so people who hate gay people get a special license to discriminate that supercedes the non-discrimination laws that exist to protect LGBT citizens. Definitely malice.

    http://www.advocate.com/religion/2016/4/14/liberty-counsel-admits-its-behind-bathroom-bills-nationwide-video

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