TED CRUZ for President!!!!!!

JimmyV said:

show previous quotes

PJ_Soul said:

JimmyV said:

PJ_Soul said:

Bentleyspop said:

Should probably change the title of this thread to use his given name....

Rafael Eduardo Cruz

Why?

Because it his given name and it hopefully annoys the large segment of his supporters who have spent eight years referring to Barack Hussein Obama at every chance.

Hence...Ted Cruz.

Both instances comes off as racist to me.

I don't think simply calling someone by their full, given, legitimate name is racist.

I do think using that name to disparage someone, implying there is something wrong with that name can be racist.

I don't think using someone's full name to illustrate the hypocrisy of others who have been guilty of racism in the past - which is the intent here - is at all racist.

Obviously simply calling someone by their full name in and of itself isn't racist. But to start using it in this race when the man actually 100% goes by Ted Cruz and everyone knows it has, in my opinion, and VERY obvious intent that is indeed about race. We all know what the implication is when someone puts forward the President's full name in that way, and the same thing applies with Cruz. In both cases it is indeed racist in context and we all know it. Someone using a name like that to illustrate hypocrisy doesn't make any of it less racist. That doesn't mean that the person saying it is racist. Surely you all know what I mean here.

buck502000 said:

Ted Cruz has a long political resume - I hope he gets more support in the upcoming elections

Just because it's long, doesn't mean it's any good.

PJ_Soul said:

show previous quotes

JimmyV said:

PJ_Soul said:

JimmyV said:

PJ_Soul said:

Bentleyspop said:

Should probably change the title of this thread to use his given name....

Rafael Eduardo Cruz

Why?

Because it his given name and it hopefully annoys the large segment of his supporters who have spent eight years referring to Barack Hussein Obama at every chance.

Hence...Ted Cruz.

Both instances comes off as racist to me.

I don't think simply calling someone by their full, given, legitimate name is racist.

I do think using that name to disparage someone, implying there is something wrong with that name can be racist.

I don't think using someone's full name to illustrate the hypocrisy of others who have been guilty of racism in the past - which is the intent here - is at all racist.

Obviously simply calling someone by their full name in and of itself isn't racist. But to start using it in this race when the man actually 100% goes by Ted Cruz and everyone knows it has, in my opinion, and VERY obvious intent that is indeed about race. We all know what the implication is when someone puts forward the President's full name in that way, and the same thing applies with Cruz. In both cases it is indeed racist in context and we all know it. Someone using a name like that to illustrate hypocrisy doesn't make any of it less racist. That doesn't mean that the person saying it is racist. Surely you all know what I mean here.

Strongly disagree. The man's name is the man's name. Using it isn't racism, nor we should we ever allow just using a name to be judged as racism. There are plenty of people who have referred to Barack Hussein Obama and not been racist for doing so. There are plenty of people who will refer to Raphael Eduardo Cruz and not be racist. Spitting that name at him, using it as a slur, that is racism. Simply calling him by it is not. At the same time, people pretending it isn't his name because it makes them uncomfortable, that could be argued to be racism. Reminding them of that racism and showing their hypocrisy is not racism.

PJ_Soul said:

show previous quotes

JimmyV said:

PJ_Soul said:

JimmyV said:

PJ_Soul said:

JimmyV said:

PJ_Soul said:

Bentleyspop said:

Should probably change the title of this thread to use his given name....

Rafael Eduardo Cruz

Why?

Because it his given name and it hopefully annoys the large segment of his supporters who have spent eight years referring to Barack Hussein Obama at every chance.

Hence...Ted Cruz.

Both instances comes off as racist to me.

I don't think simply calling someone by their full, given, legitimate name is racist.

I do think using that name to disparage someone, implying there is something wrong with that name can be racist.

I don't think using someone's full name to illustrate the hypocrisy of others who have been guilty of racism in the past - which is the intent here - is at all racist.

Obviously simply calling someone by their full name in and of itself isn't racist. But to start using it in this race when the man actually 100% goes by Ted Cruz and everyone knows it has, in my opinion, and VERY obvious intent that is indeed about race. We all know what the implication is when someone puts forward the President's full name in that way, and the same thing applies with Cruz. In both cases it is indeed racist in context and we all know it. Someone using a name like that to illustrate hypocrisy doesn't make any of it less racist. That doesn't mean that the person saying it is racist. Surely you all know what I mean here.

Strongly disagree. The man's name is the man's name. Using it isn't racism, nor we should we ever allow just using a name to be judged as racism. There are plenty of people who have referred to Barack Hussein Obama and not been racist for doing so. There are plenty of people who will refer to Raphael Eduardo Cruz and not be racist. Spitting that name at him, using it as a slur, that is racism. Simply calling him by it is not. At the same time, people pretending it isn't his name because it makes them uncomfortable, that could be argued to be racism. Reminding them of that racism and showing their hypocrisy is not racism.

I already said I know just using a name isn't racist. I'm talking about context and intent. Look, it's not hard to know when it's being done in a racial context and when it's not. I don't know why we're debating this.

I wrote and deleted that exact same sentence in my reply.

buck502000 said:

show previous quotes

dignin said:

buck502000 said:

Ted Cruz has a long political resume - I hope he gets more support in the upcoming elections

Just because it's long, doesn't mean it's any good.

just saying he may have a grasp of things, due to the fact he may know how things work

Not meaning to sound snarky here, but that's a bit like saying "brianlux has been playing guitar since 1968 so if Mike McCready were to retire, Mr. Lux would make a good candidate for his replacement."

NO!!!

I agree with some of you above that Trump is the better alternative if we're absolutely stuck with the worst of choices. I seriously couldn't stand Cruz's form of bat shit crazy for four years. Trump, I think, will calm the fuck down if elected. He'll delegate all the important tasks, and then smoke cigars and play golf in between public appearances. Maybe make a deal or two that works in our favor. I kind of agree with him on China, and he's okay on health care.

Cruz will turn this country into a sharia styled theocracy. God help us if he got the Supreme Court.

I voted for Bernie in my primary.

usamamasan1 said:

Shit, I gave my boys middle name of my wife's maiden name. That's a Mexican name. I catch shit for being racist because I want a wall (we all know a wall means enforcing borders right? Doesn't have to be a wall. Read between the lines)

Hilarious ignorance

Tuh

You seek intelligent discourse? Really?

With your trademark 'woot' and other silly items... you expect people to take you seriously and treat you with respect? I thought you were purposefully trying to be antagonistic and disenfranchise yourself from this community.

I'm confused by this display of sensitivity. I really am.