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Yet they play it up for the media to make the public think that they're rivals. They're not, they have been good friends for a while. And Trump is no Republican. That's what Clinton is, a closet Republican. He just plays one on TV.mrussel1 said:Holy crap. You mean people that are on the opposite side of the political spectrum (say.. Clinton and Guiliani) that can disagree with each other politically but not be total dicks to each other? Our system is broken.
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I disagree vehemently. He is the intellectual leader of the Third Way, the DLC. Of which that mindset I subscribe to as well. That means moderate Dem, not stuck in orthodoxy. It's the same criticism of those on the right who can't compromise, otherwise they are RINOs. Clinton is pro choice, supports reasonable gun control, continued affirmative action, believes in free trade, supports the right to unionize. It seems that you are so liberal that you believe anyone with moderate positions is not a Democrat. You can be that way if you wish, but the Democratic party has room for lots of beliefs across the spectrum. The unifying factor is progressive thought. There's just disagreement to the extent of that.Free said:
Yet they play it up for the media to make the public think that they're rivals. They're not, they have been good friends for a while. And Trump is no Republican. That's what Clinton is, a closet Republican. He just plays one on TV.mrussel1 said:Holy crap. You mean people that are on the opposite side of the political spectrum (say.. Clinton and Guiliani) that can disagree with each other politically but not be total dicks to each other? Our system is broken.
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Bernie is a progressive. Hillary is not she is so far right of Progressive that she's really a closet Republican. No doubt in my mind have been thinking that for years. And with the DNC moving more towards the GOP side and scheming to rig the election? There's no doubt in my mind.
If you think that Hillary and Trump are rivals you're wrong, think again. they are good friends scheming the American people.Post edited by Free on0 -
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Actually I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned on this forum yet. This entire election of the Trump and Hillary show is a well-planned out scheme by the two of them to rig the American election. I'm not worried about Trump you know why? And I've talk to people about this and they've agreed as well.
Trump is only in it to give the election to Hillary, his good friend Hillary. I don't take him seriously. And I don't really think he wants to be in charge, hence the lack of concrete policies and plans. This appears to be in great fun for him, you can tell he's enjoying it. Why not? He loves the media attention. And his ego.
Watch carefully, and don't just discount this idea. Because it may very well be what's going on.
My intuition says he will drop out voluntarily because his intention was never to actually win. Just sit back and watch. Anyone with half a brain would not act like he does if they really were serious about winning. Think about it. Just keep your mind open and think about it.
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Okay makes sense. But that seriously doesn't bother me one single bit. I don't think Trump is a Republican, it just so happens that the GOP is where the opening was. I have no doubt that he would morph to whatever belief gets him more votes. Now that may be true of most politicians, but it's usually within a certain framework of beliefs. Trump doesn't have any belief system, other than what is best for him individually. He's the ultimate narcissist in a game of narcissists.Jason P said:0 -
I've floated that idea once or twice on here. I'm with you on this one. She does almost no unscripted press while he will talk to anyone with a microphone. It's like she is just sitting back and letting him go to town. If you really look at the whole thing and apply logic, it just doesn't add up.Free said:Actually I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned on this forum yet. This entire election of the Trump and Hillary show is a well-planned out scheme by the two of them to rig the American election. I'm not worried about Trump you know why? And I've talk to people about this and they've agreed as well.
Trump is only in it to give the election to Hillary, his good friend Hillary. I don't take him seriously. And I don't really think he wants to be in charge, hence the lack of concrete policies and plans. This appears to be in great fun for him, you can tell he's enjoying it. Why not? He loves the media attention. And his ego.
Watch carefully, and don't just discount this idea. Because it may very well be what's going on.
My intuition says he will drop out voluntarily because his intention was never to actually win. Just sit back and watch. Anyone with half a brain would not act like he does if they really were serious about winning. Think about it. Just keep your mind open and think about it.Post edited by WhatYouTaughtMe on0 -
Well we'll have to agree to disagree. You are basically calling me a closet Republican based on our conversation about the DNC/Wasserman/Warren, etc. yesterday. Your definition of progressive is far to the left of mine. Bernie is a socialist. That's not a dirty word to me, but I'm not one. Progressive and Socialist are not synonymous. They overlap, but not the same.Free said:Bernie is a progressive. Hillary is not she is so far right of Progressive that she's really a closet Republican. No doubt in my mind have been thinking that for years. And with the DNC moving more towards the GOP side and scheming to rig the election? There's no doubt in my mind.
If you think that Hillary and Trump are rivals you're wrong, think again. they are good friends scheming the American people.0 -
I didn't call you anything so don't go there.
I think I called you a banker though, and you corrected me, although you do work in the industry.0 -
it is a lot of false floors, smoke & mirrors & whatever else. but then again, politics is not known for being straight up. illusionistsfor poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
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My point is that I have a belief system that is close to Hillary's. Now she is too hawkish for me, that's for sure. But on many economic issues, abortion, unions, etc., I'm quite aligned with her. I also don't think single payer is a practical reality in this country, no matter the merits. But I don't consider myself a closet Republican. Most of my work colleagues consider me a blazing liberal.Free said:I didn't call you anything so don't go there.
I think I called you a banker though, and you corrected me, although you do work in the industry.0 -
Well I hope you are right frankly. I don't want to take a chance with President Trump. But there's no way he goes to Nov if he has a bargain with Hillary. His ego is way too big to lose an election on purpose.WhatYouTaughtMe said:
I've floated that idea once or twice on here. I'm with you on this one. She does almost no unscripted press while he will talk to anyone with a microphone. It's like she is just sitting back and letting him go to town. If you really look at the whole thing and apply logic, it just doesn't add up.Free said:Actually I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned on this forum yet. This entire election of the Trump and Hillary show is a well-planned out scheme by the two of them to rig the American election. I'm not worried about Trump you know why? And I've talk to people about this and they've agreed as well.
Trump is only in it to give the election to Hillary, his good friend Hillary. I don't take him seriously. And I don't really think he wants to be in charge, hence the lack of concrete policies and plans. This appears to be in great fun for him, you can tell he's enjoying it. Why not? He loves the media attention. And his ego.
Watch carefully, and don't just discount this idea. Because it may very well be what's going on.
My intuition says he will drop out voluntarily because his intention was never to actually win. Just sit back and watch. Anyone with half a brain would not act like he does if they really were serious about winning. Think about it. Just keep your mind open and think about it.0 -
I was just thinking, based on his conversation after the debate. If the Republicans don't give him the nomination at the convention, he splits as an independent and does to the GOP what Nader did to dems in 2000? Splits their vote?mrussel1 said:
Well I hope you are right frankly. I don't want to take a chance with President Trump. But there's no way he goes to Nov if he has a bargain with Hillary. His ego is way too big to lose an election on purpose.WhatYouTaughtMe said:
I've floated that idea once or twice on here. I'm with you on this one. She does almost no unscripted press while he will talk to anyone with a microphone. It's like she is just sitting back and letting him go to town. If you really look at the whole thing and apply logic, it just doesn't add up.Free said:Actually I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned on this forum yet. This entire election of the Trump and Hillary show is a well-planned out scheme by the two of them to rig the American election. I'm not worried about Trump you know why? And I've talk to people about this and they've agreed as well.
Trump is only in it to give the election to Hillary, his good friend Hillary. I don't take him seriously. And I don't really think he wants to be in charge, hence the lack of concrete policies and plans. This appears to be in great fun for him, you can tell he's enjoying it. Why not? He loves the media attention. And his ego.
Watch carefully, and don't just discount this idea. Because it may very well be what's going on.
My intuition says he will drop out voluntarily because his intention was never to actually win. Just sit back and watch. Anyone with half a brain would not act like he does if they really were serious about winning. Think about it. Just keep your mind open and think about it.0 -
Possibly. Remember Perot did the same to dramatic effect in 92. Clinton came well short of 50% of the vote. But here's the thing.. none of that is even necessary, imo. The demographics so favor a Democratic nominee that so long as the minority vote comes shows up, it will be very difficult for an R to win. The Dems don't even need the moderate, crossover vote really.WhatYouTaughtMe said:
I was just thinking, based on his conversation after the debate. If the Republicans don't give him the nomination at the convention, he splits as an independent and does to the GOP what Nader did to dems in 2000? Splits their vote?mrussel1 said:
Well I hope you are right frankly. I don't want to take a chance with President Trump. But there's no way he goes to Nov if he has a bargain with Hillary. His ego is way too big to lose an election on purpose.WhatYouTaughtMe said:
I've floated that idea once or twice on here. I'm with you on this one. She does almost no unscripted press while he will talk to anyone with a microphone. It's like she is just sitting back and letting him go to town. If you really look at the whole thing and apply logic, it just doesn't add up.Free said:Actually I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned on this forum yet. This entire election of the Trump and Hillary show is a well-planned out scheme by the two of them to rig the American election. I'm not worried about Trump you know why? And I've talk to people about this and they've agreed as well.
Trump is only in it to give the election to Hillary, his good friend Hillary. I don't take him seriously. And I don't really think he wants to be in charge, hence the lack of concrete policies and plans. This appears to be in great fun for him, you can tell he's enjoying it. Why not? He loves the media attention. And his ego.
Watch carefully, and don't just discount this idea. Because it may very well be what's going on.
My intuition says he will drop out voluntarily because his intention was never to actually win. Just sit back and watch. Anyone with half a brain would not act like he does if they really were serious about winning. Think about it. Just keep your mind open and think about it.0 -
Agree.mrussel1 said:
Possibly. Remember Perot did the same to dramatic effect in 92. Clinton came well short of 50% of the vote. But here's the thing.. none of that is even necessary, imo. The demographics so favor a Democratic nominee that so long as the minority vote comes shows up, it will be very difficult for an R to win. The Dems don't even need the moderate, crossover vote really.WhatYouTaughtMe said:
I was just thinking, based on his conversation after the debate. If the Republicans don't give him the nomination at the convention, he splits as an independent and does to the GOP what Nader did to dems in 2000? Splits their vote?mrussel1 said:
Well I hope you are right frankly. I don't want to take a chance with President Trump. But there's no way he goes to Nov if he has a bargain with Hillary. His ego is way too big to lose an election on purpose.WhatYouTaughtMe said:
I've floated that idea once or twice on here. I'm with you on this one. She does almost no unscripted press while he will talk to anyone with a microphone. It's like she is just sitting back and letting him go to town. If you really look at the whole thing and apply logic, it just doesn't add up.Free said:Actually I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned on this forum yet. This entire election of the Trump and Hillary show is a well-planned out scheme by the two of them to rig the American election. I'm not worried about Trump you know why? And I've talk to people about this and they've agreed as well.
Trump is only in it to give the election to Hillary, his good friend Hillary. I don't take him seriously. And I don't really think he wants to be in charge, hence the lack of concrete policies and plans. This appears to be in great fun for him, you can tell he's enjoying it. Why not? He loves the media attention. And his ego.
Watch carefully, and don't just discount this idea. Because it may very well be what's going on.
My intuition says he will drop out voluntarily because his intention was never to actually win. Just sit back and watch. Anyone with half a brain would not act like he does if they really were serious about winning. Think about it. Just keep your mind open and think about it.0 -
There is no model for a Democrat getting indicted in the middle of election season. The demographics will not matter if that happens.___________________________________________
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When the Democratic presidential contenders meet on Sunday for their debate in Flint, Michigan — where thousands of residents have been poisoned by polluted water — the candidates’ records on clean water policy are likely to be in the spotlight. Hillary Clinton seems eager for that discussion, recently telling NPR: “The idea that you would have a community in the United States of America of nearly 100,000 people who were drinking and bathing in lead-contaminated water infuriates me.”
But despite that rhetoric, the issue of clean water may be politically perilous for the leading Democratic candidate, thanks to her vote against banning a possible carcinogen at the center of one of the largest water pollution scandals in recent history.
Facing reports that a controversial fuel additive was contaminating water supplies across America, Clinton as a senator in 2005 opposed a bipartisan measure to ban the chemical — even though Bill Clinton’s Environmental Protection Agency had first proposed such a prohibition. At roughly the same time, one major company producing the chemical also tried to use provisions in a trade deal backed by Hillary Clinton to force local governments in the United States to let it continue selling the toxic compound.0 -
Here is some fascinating statistics, published today by Politico. The punchline is that Trump would need to win 70% of white males in order to win the general election. But here's what's working against him:
- No GOP candidate in the last half century has won more than 63% of white males
- The turnout rate for white males is very high already, so not much 'enthusiasm' room to grow
- Trump's favorable/unfavorable for Hispanics is -50%. That's astoundingly bad. Experts predict he might get 15% of the Hispanic vote. Bush peaked at 35%. Everyone else on the GOP has been much lower. Estimates are that Hispanic turnout will be 15% greater in '16 than in '12. So Trump's problem is exasperated even vs. Romney.
- Asian-Americans are also similarly negative on him.
- Romney only won 5% of the black vote in 2012. Don't think for a second that Obama is not going to savage Trump in the run up to the election. There is no way he will get the 12% Bush got.
- Women are just as bad of a problem. Dems typically win 53% of the woman vote. He has to win 62% of all women + 70% of white men.
For you political wonks, it's a good read: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/donald-trump-needs-7-of-10-white-guys-213699?o=1
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