Is the USA a nation of bigots and/or racists and/or idiots and hypocrites?

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    JC29856 said:

    If you know anything about statistics you know that is doesn't take a large sample to draw basic conclusions from statical sampling.
    Do the 2016 primaries prove that Americans are stupid racist bigots?

    not all trump supporters are bigots, but all bigots are trump supporters.

    one state's exit polls said that 6 in 10 said that lincoln should not have freed the slaves.

    so there's that.
    How about the number of votes for candidates that have dropped out of the race.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Thirty, you call it a fiasco and I call it a clusterfuck. Same diff!

    Not a fan of polls or statistics as many presented as samplings are so small. Strikes me as similar to the various and contradictory "health alerts!" that are released on a regular basis.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,241
    JC29856 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    JC29856 said:

    If you know anything about statistics you know that is doesn't take a large sample to draw basic conclusions from statical sampling.
    Do the 2016 primaries prove that Americans are stupid racist bigots?

    not all trump supporters are bigots, but all bigots are trump supporters.

    one state's exit polls said that 6 in 10 said that lincoln should not have freed the slaves.

    so there's that.
    How about the number of votes for candidates that have dropped out of the race.
    doesn't matter.

    those votes are worth as much as the lint i just pulled out of my jacket pocket.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    JC29856 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    JC29856 said:

    If you know anything about statistics you know that is doesn't take a large sample to draw basic conclusions from statical sampling.
    Do the 2016 primaries prove that Americans are stupid racist bigots?

    not all trump supporters are bigots, but all bigots are trump supporters.

    one state's exit polls said that 6 in 10 said that lincoln should not have freed the slaves.

    so there's that.
    How about the number of votes for candidates that have dropped out of the race.
    doesn't matter.

    those votes are worth as much as the lint i just pulled out of my jacket pocket.
    My point being that those who voted for candidates no longer running are probably alittle more intelligent than the lint in your pocket.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,602
    JC29856 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    JC29856 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    JC29856 said:

    If you know anything about statistics you know that is doesn't take a large sample to draw basic conclusions from statical sampling.
    Do the 2016 primaries prove that Americans are stupid racist bigots?

    not all trump supporters are bigots, but all bigots are trump supporters.

    one state's exit polls said that 6 in 10 said that lincoln should not have freed the slaves.

    so there's that.
    How about the number of votes for candidates that have dropped out of the race.
    doesn't matter.

    those votes are worth as much as the lint i just pulled out of my jacket pocket.
    My point being that those who voted for candidates no longer running are probably alittle more intelligent than the lint in your pocket.
    Not when you look closely at who those candidates are.
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  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    edited March 2016
    This is a result of the Tea Party and the "normal" GOP leaders feeding into it with the obstructionist policies.. Now their creation has taken over the party. I would love to see this evolve into a 3 party system. Let the wing nuts have their own party. I'm guessing that's about 40% of Republicans, if you look at the current numbers.

    Not sure why we refuse to acknowledge what this truly is.... Fascism in America

    You've got a Billionaire whipping up people by blaming immigrants, minorities, religions, etc,,,,

    1. Blaming a specific group of people for society's problems.
    2. Appeal to a certain education level
    3. Scare Propaganda

    A cult of action, a celebration of aggressive masculinity, an intolerance of criticism, a fear of difference and outsiders, a pitch to the frustrations of the lower middle class, an intense nationalism and resentment at national humiliation, and a “popular elitism” that promises every citizen that they’re part of “the best people of the world.”


    If it Quacks like a Fascist,,, then it's a Fascist
    Post edited by myoung321 on
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    To say we are a nation of racists and idiots period would, of course, be a gross exaggeration. But it is obvious (to me at least) there are far too many racists and far too many people who at least act like idiots for our own good. When I get time I'll post some statistics on hate groups published by Southern Poverty Law Center. The number goes up and down a bit each year but those numbers are generally a bit shocking. You'd think we would have come further.

    But I still place hope in our youth, that they may be less idiotic and more accepting of others. We'll see.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    JC29856 said:

    What's the explanation for the sampling of black voters voting Hillary against their own interests?

    How do you figure it is against their own interests? They heavily supported Obama, and Hillary will be the candidate who will be most closely aligned with Obama and his policies.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    jeffbr said:

    JC29856 said:

    What's the explanation for the sampling of black voters voting Hillary against their own interests?

    How do you figure it is against their own interests? They heavily supported Obama, and Hillary will be the candidate who will be most closely aligned with Obama and his policies.
    Hillary is getting more of the black vote in some states then Obama did.
    That's twice they voted against their own self interests.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    myoung321 said:


    1. Blaming a specific group of people for society's problems.
    2. Appeal to a certain education level
    3. Scare Propaganda


    I agree that Trump smacks of fascism and is a dangerous option for the USA. No doubt. But these tactics are used by lots of groups. #blacklivesmatter
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited March 2016
    jeffbr said:

    myoung321 said:


    1. Blaming a specific group of people for society's problems.
    2. Appeal to a certain education level
    3. Scare Propaganda


    I agree that Trump smacks of fascism and is a dangerous option for the USA.
    I'm not sure how anyone can begin to fathom what kind of president trump would be? How can do we know?
    Was Obama the president we thought he would be?
  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    edited March 2016
    jeffbr said:

    myoung321 said:


    1. Blaming a specific group of people for society's problems.
    2. Appeal to a certain education level
    3. Scare Propaganda


    I agree that Trump smacks of fascism and is a dangerous option for the USA. No doubt. But these tactics are used by lots of groups. #blacklivesmatter
    Black Lives Matter group isn't blaming all of Societies problems on minorities, they appeal to all levels of education and scare propaganda?? Did I miss some scary propaganda from them?..

    They have a specific entity to blame, Police Departments that don't represent the community and use that community as a source of income..
    Post edited by myoung321 on
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    JC29856 said:

    jeffbr said:

    myoung321 said:


    1. Blaming a specific group of people for society's problems.
    2. Appeal to a certain education level
    3. Scare Propaganda


    I agree that Trump smacks of fascism and is a dangerous option for the USA.
    I'm not sure how anyone can begin to fathom what kind of president trump would be? How can do we know?
    Was Obama the president we thought he would be?
    One can fathom what kind of president Trump would be by the things he says and does.

    How can we know? We can't "know" for sure what the future holds. We have a pretty good idea what the weather will do today and tomorrow, but we can't know with certainty (at least not here in my state). We can postulate, surmise, draw conclusions based on empirical data.

    Was Obama the president we thought he would be? I think he pretty much was. Not too many surprises to me. What surprised you about his presidency? He did what he could. He didn't kick ass, but didn't cower. He made some changes. He left some things status quo. He did what I thought a reasonable and intelligent person could do in his position. Did I like everything he did? No, but that isn't surprising. Do I think he could have done more? Yes, but that isn't surprising.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    edited March 2016
    myoung321 said:

    jeffbr said:

    myoung321 said:


    1. Blaming a specific group of people for society's problems.
    2. Appeal to a certain education level
    3. Scare Propaganda


    I agree that Trump smacks of fascism and is a dangerous option for the USA. No doubt. But these tactics are used by lots of groups. #blacklivesmatter
    Black Lives Matter group isn't blaming all of Societies problems on minorities, they appeal to all levels of education and scare propaganda?? Did I miss some scary propaganda from them?..

    They have a specific entity to blame, Police Departments that don't represent the community and use that community as a source of income..
    Of course BLM isn't blaming problems on minorities. But that isn't your point #1. Your point #1 says "blaming a specific group of people". That specific group of people in BLMs case isn't lawless members of their society. It is white cops.

    BLM appeals to the lowest common denominator. They often have unintelligible messages (much like the occupy "spokespeople"). They appeal to the man on the street.

    The scary propaganda? That white cops are only interested in killing them. That white cops are the biggest threat to their safety.

    You can paint your narrative any way you want, but I'm just pointing out that your list describes more than just a Donald Trump style fascism.
    Post edited by jeffbr on
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    jeffbr said:

    JC29856 said:

    jeffbr said:

    myoung321 said:


    1. Blaming a specific group of people for society's problems.
    2. Appeal to a certain education level
    3. Scare Propaganda


    I agree that Trump smacks of fascism and is a dangerous option for the USA.
    I'm not sure how anyone can begin to fathom what kind of president trump would be? How can do we know?
    Was Obama the president we thought he would be?
    One can fathom what kind of president Trump would be by the things he says and does.

    How can we know? We can't "know" for sure what the future holds. We have a pretty good idea what the weather will do today and tomorrow, but we can't know with certainty (at least not here in my state). We can postulate, surmise, draw conclusions based on empirical data.

    Was Obama the president we thought he would be? I think he pretty much was. Not too many surprises to me. What surprised you about his presidency? He did what he could. He didn't kick ass, but didn't cower. He made some changes. He left some things status quo. He did what I thought a reasonable and intelligent person could do in his position. Did I like everything he did? No, but that isn't surprising. Do I think he could have done more? Yes, but that isn't surprising.
    I'm saying this... I can find twice (maybe 3 times) as many things that the last 3 presidents said they would do and didn't then you can find things they said they would do and did.
  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    JC29856 said:

    jeffbr said:

    myoung321 said:


    1. Blaming a specific group of people for society's problems.
    2. Appeal to a certain education level
    3. Scare Propaganda


    I agree that Trump smacks of fascism and is a dangerous option for the USA.

    Was Obama the president we thought he would be?
    Considering the fact that we were fighting 2 wars, our financial system was collapsing, unemployment in double digits, gasoline at $5 a gallon AND the obstructionist policies of the GOP since day one of his presidency.. YES,, he's done better a better job than I expected.

    A LONG List Of President Obama’s Accomplishments (With Citations)
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    JC29856 said:

    jeffbr said:

    JC29856 said:

    jeffbr said:

    myoung321 said:


    1. Blaming a specific group of people for society's problems.
    2. Appeal to a certain education level
    3. Scare Propaganda


    I agree that Trump smacks of fascism and is a dangerous option for the USA.
    I'm not sure how anyone can begin to fathom what kind of president trump would be? How can do we know?
    Was Obama the president we thought he would be?
    One can fathom what kind of president Trump would be by the things he says and does.

    How can we know? We can't "know" for sure what the future holds. We have a pretty good idea what the weather will do today and tomorrow, but we can't know with certainty (at least not here in my state). We can postulate, surmise, draw conclusions based on empirical data.

    Was Obama the president we thought he would be? I think he pretty much was. Not too many surprises to me. What surprised you about his presidency? He did what he could. He didn't kick ass, but didn't cower. He made some changes. He left some things status quo. He did what I thought a reasonable and intelligent person could do in his position. Did I like everything he did? No, but that isn't surprising. Do I think he could have done more? Yes, but that isn't surprising.
    I'm saying this... I can find twice (maybe 3 times) as many things that the last 3 presidents said they would do and didn't then you can find things they said they would do and did.
    Ah, gotcha. I 100% agree with this. Donald Trump would definitely not be able to do a fraction of the things he claims he will do (like have Mexico pay for a wall). Neither would Bernie, Hillary, Cruz or Rubio. I guess I just think of this point as a given, or a constant. So given that, even if Trump only accomplished 1/2 or 1/3 of the crazy things he says, that's too many for me.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    jeffbr said:

    JC29856 said:

    jeffbr said:

    JC29856 said:

    jeffbr said:

    myoung321 said:


    1. Blaming a specific group of people for society's problems.
    2. Appeal to a certain education level
    3. Scare Propaganda


    I agree that Trump smacks of fascism and is a dangerous option for the USA.
    I'm not sure how anyone can begin to fathom what kind of president trump would be? How can do we know?
    Was Obama the president we thought he would be?
    One can fathom what kind of president Trump would be by the things he says and does.

    How can we know? We can't "know" for sure what the future holds. We have a pretty good idea what the weather will do today and tomorrow, but we can't know with certainty (at least not here in my state). We can postulate, surmise, draw conclusions based on empirical data.

    Was Obama the president we thought he would be? I think he pretty much was. Not too many surprises to me. What surprised you about his presidency? He did what he could. He didn't kick ass, but didn't cower. He made some changes. He left some things status quo. He did what I thought a reasonable and intelligent person could do in his position. Did I like everything he did? No, but that isn't surprising. Do I think he could have done more? Yes, but that isn't surprising.
    I'm saying this... I can find twice (maybe 3 times) as many things that the last 3 presidents said they would do and didn't then you can find things they said they would do and did.
    Ah, gotcha. I 100% agree with this. Donald Trump would definitely not be able to do a fraction of the things he claims he will do (like have Mexico pay for a wall). Neither would Bernie, Hillary, Cruz or Rubio. I guess I just think of this point as a given, or a constant. So given that, even if Trump only accomplished 1/2 or 1/3 of the crazy things he says, that's too many for me.
    BOOM goes the dynamite!
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    It all depends on region. For every average land of Texas, there's always an oasis for those left of Hitler like Austin.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,968
    One of the analysts discussing yesterday's results pointed out that young people have grown up in times when capitalism hasn't worked for them. They want something that works and I guess they are willing to experiment. It's something to consider. The people who have been in the government also failed to understand that decisions have consequences and they are reaping what they've sown.
    Falling down,...not staying down

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