"I don’t think Trump is spreading bigotry and racism in this country — I think he is unleashing it." - Saqib Bhatti
With all the dialoge surrounding race in the past year or so, Trump is serving as a spotlight in the darker corners of America. Exposing us for who and how we still are o can be.
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An interesting thing is happening on AMT. Forever members have been steadfast about spewing anti-establishment. There is a candidate that is everything non-establishment who is gaining power and momentum. The diehard gov't protesters finally have a non-govt guy and they don't like what it is. The people who don't vote have no voice and are irrelevant. The anti-establishment people who do vote can't help but be blindsided by trump. It is like watching voters running on ice. Going everywhere but nowhere at the same time.
Nothing wrong with being anti-establishment. But if you're also a racist xenophobe that lies constantly, spews hate daily, and acts like an immature kindergartener as well as pushing your supporters to be accepting of being hateful racists than NO being anti-establishment is not okay.
Again, We have a candidate that is everything but establishment.
Yep it is. It is also full of wonderful people who would do anything for anyone. The two groups overlap each other a bit, surprisingly.
I know quite a few people who would treat a Muslim, a Mexican immigrant, an urban black person, a gay man, etc. with respect and kindness in person, but still talk shit about their peer group at home and vote for politicians and policies that discriminate.
Canada is no different. The sheer amount of people that hate aboriginals is astounding. But very few actually say it, because you never know who is 1/4 Metis or something and they'll punch you in the face. One woman at work, a real loudmouth, made a racist comment about aboriginals, and another coworker piped up and said she was part aboriginal. Of the course the loudmouth then back peddled, 'well i obviously dont mean people like you". But um, you were ok with generalizing them all 2 seconds ago.
I dont know how mant times i have told this woman to shut her fat mouth.
Canada is no different. The sheer amount of people that hate aboriginals is astounding. But very few actually say it, because you never know who is 1/4 Metis or something and they'll punch you in the face. One woman at work, a real loudmouth, made a racist comment about aboriginals, and another coworker piped up and said she was part aboriginal. Of the course the loudmouth then back peddled, 'well i obviously dont mean people like you". But um, you were ok with generalizing them all 2 seconds ago.
I dont know how mant times i have told this woman to shut her fat mouth.
I've heard others say that about Natives, but it's so foreign to me. That isn't the attitude in BC, or at least not metro Vancouver (not as far as I've ever seen or heard, and I've lived here all my life). But I hear those from Ontario and Winnipeg and other areas that have way more Natives. There just aren't that many in BC, and there aren't really any big issues that people think of as being strongly connected to Natives (or, rather, to what is "wrong" with them). Either that, or people in BC are a lot more close-lipped about their racism towards Natives. That is really shitty that people haven't been raised or educated better than that, and that they don't know the right people to blame for social problems that seem to have a strong connection to Native communities.
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Canada is no different. The sheer amount of people that hate aboriginals is astounding. But very few actually say it, because you never know who is 1/4 Metis or something and they'll punch you in the face. One woman at work, a real loudmouth, made a racist comment about aboriginals, and another coworker piped up and said she was part aboriginal. Of the course the loudmouth then back peddled, 'well i obviously dont mean people like you". But um, you were ok with generalizing them all 2 seconds ago.
I dont know how mant times i have told this woman to shut her fat mouth.
I've heard others say that about Natives, but it's so foreign to me. That isn't the attitude in BC, or at least not metro Vancouver (not as far as I've ever seen or heard, and I've lived here all my life). But I hear those from Ontario and Winnipeg and other areas that have way more Natives. There just aren't that many in BC, and there aren't really any big issues that people think of as being strongly connected to Natives (or, rather, to what is "wrong" with them). Either that, or people in BC are a lot more close-lipped about their racism towards Natives. That is really shitty that people haven't been raised or educated better than that, and that they don't know the right people to blame for social problems that seem to have a strong connection to Native communities.
It is really interesting that a lot of the symbolism of the pacific northwest is tied to aboriginal culture, yet you say there arent many there.
Too many people that are a product of their prejudicial upbringing to realize that when a group of people is marginalized, very often their reaction to that in a social sense is not a positive one. They are all lazy and living off the government, all that shit.
My dad's brother married a native woman when he was teaching up in Thompson. When they moved back to winnipeg, his wife and two daughters (one full native step daughter that he adopted, and one biological daughter) were forbidden from entering my grandfathers house. I highly respected him up until that point. And it is still so hard to imagine that a guy as loving and inclusive as he would be so bigoted.
And my parents, unfortunately, had that attitude passed on to them.
It stopped with me.
Thet macleans article saying winnipeg is the most racist city in canada is believable, unfortunately. A candidate for mayor in the last election didnt make it past the discovery of an anti-aboriginal facebook post his wife made a few years prior.
Well it's not that there aren't any here, it's just that 1) they are better integrated (relatively), and the conditions for them isn't so awful. I mean, the geography in BC makes life a lot easier for everyone in a lot of ways, and since BC Natives are mostly Haida, they have their own culture here that has largely been embraced by non-Natives (and exploited in gift shops all over Vancouver). Sure, there are some reserves and everything, but they aren't so bad as they apparently are elsewhere from what I've seen (my and mom used to visit them regularly because she is super into Haida basket weaving and would visit local artists all the time). And yes, if you go to the DTES some of the addicts and homeless are Native, but a whole lot of them aren't, too... there isn't really a huge stigma when it comes to Natives here I don't think. I guess social problems breed bigotry... BC doesn't really suffer from so many social problems that sadly and unjustly involve Native communities, reserves, etc. The big issue with Natives in BC is pretty much always land use issues, like where pipelines shouldn't go, and where developments shouldn't be approved, where dams shouldn't be built because it will destroy the land, etc, and I think that a lot of people generally tend to side with the Natives on that one, so it's not super controversial for most people (I guess developers hate them, lol). Even if it is controversial, we can at least all discuss it in a civilized, non-racist way because there aren't underlying tensions about Natives tainting everyone's opinions. I say all this in relative terms, not to suggest that BC Natives don't deserve the same kind of action/respect that those in other provinces do. Oh, one other issue that probably causes the most anger is fishing rights. Many are of the opinion that the Native Fishery abuses its Native fishing rights ... which is true, actually. I did a big research paper on it once.
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At the time of Ulysses S. Grant's election to the presidency, white supremacists were conducting a reign of terror throughout the South. In outright defiance of the Republican-led federal government, Southern Democrats formed organizations that violently intimidated blacks and Republicans who tried to win political power. The most prominent of these, the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1865. Originally founded as a social club for former Confederate soldiers, the Klan evolved into a terrorist organization. It would be responsible for thousands of deaths, and would help to weaken the political power of Southern blacks and Republicans.
At the time of Ulysses S. Grant's election to the presidency, white supremacists were conducting a reign of terror throughout the South. In outright defiance of the Republican-led federal government, Southern Democrats formed organizations that violently intimidated blacks and Republicans who tried to win political power. The most prominent of these, the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1865. Originally founded as a social club for former Confederate soldiers, the Klan evolved into a terrorist organization. It would be responsible for thousands of deaths, and would help to weaken the political power of Southern blacks and Republicans.
At the time of Ulysses S. Grant's election to the presidency, white supremacists were conducting a reign of terror throughout the South. In outright defiance of the Republican-led federal government, Southern Democrats formed organizations that violently intimidated blacks and Republicans who tried to win political power. The most prominent of these, the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1865. Originally founded as a social club for former Confederate soldiers, the Klan evolved into a terrorist organization. It would be responsible for thousands of deaths, and would help to weaken the political power of Southern blacks and Republicans.
If the point was that the US has always had a core group of racists and bigots, then you probably won't get much argument from anybody. If your point was to highlight the "Democrat" connection, which I suspect it was, then that has about as much relevance to current political party positions as would the values of the original "democrats" in Greece in 500 BC.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-right-hand-salute_us_56db50d8e4b03a405678e27a
...or even outright saying it:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/15/supporter_yells_sieg_heil_toward_black_protester_at_trump_rally.html
This country may not be full of racists, bigots and idiots, but there are enough to raise big concerns. How did we get here?
And idiots.
You voted Trump!
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN13A11B?
I know quite a few people who would treat a Muslim, a Mexican immigrant, an urban black person, a gay man, etc. with respect and kindness in person, but still talk shit about their peer group at home and vote for politicians and policies that discriminate.
I dont know how mant times i have told this woman to shut her fat mouth.
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Too many people that are a product of their prejudicial upbringing to realize that when a group of people is marginalized, very often their reaction to that in a social sense is not a positive one. They are all lazy and living off the government, all that shit.
My dad's brother married a native woman when he was teaching up in Thompson. When they moved back to winnipeg, his wife and two daughters (one full native step daughter that he adopted, and one biological daughter) were forbidden from entering my grandfathers house. I highly respected him up until that point. And it is still so hard to imagine that a guy as loving and inclusive as he would be so bigoted.
And my parents, unfortunately, had that attitude passed on to them.
It stopped with me.
Thet macleans article saying winnipeg is the most racist city in canada is believable, unfortunately. A candidate for mayor in the last election didnt make it past the discovery of an anti-aboriginal facebook post his wife made a few years prior.
At least here we hold bigots accountable!
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The most prominent of these, the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1865. Originally founded as a social club for former Confederate soldiers, the Klan evolved into a terrorist organization. It would be responsible for thousands of deaths, and would help to weaken the political power of Southern blacks and Republicans.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/grant-kkk/
Fbi secret service
https://www.google.com/amp/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/06/robert-farago/firearms-related-homicides-democratic-vs-republican-affiliation/amp/
If the point was that the US has always had a core group of racists and bigots, then you probably won't get much argument from anybody. If your point was to highlight the "Democrat" connection, which I suspect it was, then that has about as much relevance to current political party positions as would the values of the original "democrats" in Greece in 500 BC.