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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Gern Blansten said:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-party.html

    Should Mr. Trump clinch the presidential nomination, it would represent a rout of historic proportions for the institutional Republican Party, and could set off an internal rift unseen in either party for a half-century, since white Southerners abandoned the Democratic Party en masse during the civil rights movement.

    Former Gov. Michael O. Leavitt of Utah, a top adviser to Mr. Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign, said the party was unable to come up with a united front to quash Mr. Trump’s campaign.
    LOL

    So we could see a massive realignment of political parties over the next few years. The tea party was the start of the splintering and this is the continuation. I think you will see the business community start gravitating left and the Democrats will have a generational opportunity to consolidate the educated vote. The question is whether there can be some sort of moderate position on business issues that can be forged. Because when it comes to immigration, social issues and other progressive priorities, there is alignment.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Gern Blansten said:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-party.html

    Should Mr. Trump clinch the presidential nomination, it would represent a rout of historic proportions for the institutional Republican Party, and could set off an internal rift unseen in either party for a half-century, since white Southerners abandoned the Democratic Party en masse during the civil rights movement.

    Former Gov. Michael O. Leavitt of Utah, a top adviser to Mr. Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign, said the party was unable to come up with a united front to quash Mr. Trump’s campaign.
    LOL

    Haha!

    Another interesting quote from the article:

    The two strategists, who declined to comment, proposed to attack Mr. Trump in New Hampshire over his business failures and past liberal positions, and emphasized the extreme urgency of their project. A Trump nomination would not only cause Republicans to lose the presidency, they wrote, “but we also lose the Senate, competitive gubernatorial elections and moderate House Republicans.”

    Well OK then!

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,189
    yeah they are screwed....it's hilarious
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,097
    this is really strange. yesterday i read an article boasting of a poll that has only been wrong one time in the last 100 years. it says if bernie gets the nomination it is 99% certain trump will win. if clintone gets the nomination it is a 97% certainty that trump will win. i just don't see it like that based on the math i have seen.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    this is really strange. yesterday i read an article boasting of a poll that has only been wrong one time in the last 100 years. it says if bernie gets the nomination it is 99% certain trump will win. if clintone gets the nomination it is a 97% certainty that trump will win. i just don't see it like that based on the math i have seen.

    I read that as well. As they say, there is a first time for everything and all other indications point to this being the first time that poll is wrong (actually the second time, but the one time the poll was wrong they gave a reason for that being the case).
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,097
    brianlux said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    this is really strange. yesterday i read an article boasting of a poll that has only been wrong one time in the last 100 years. it says if bernie gets the nomination it is 99% certain trump will win. if clintone gets the nomination it is a 97% certainty that trump will win. i just don't see it like that based on the math i have seen.

    I read that as well. As they say, there is a first time for everything and all other indications point to this being the first time that poll is wrong (actually the second time, but the one time the poll was wrong they gave a reason for that being the case).
    i think they are saying that as an unofficial endorsement of trump.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    brianlux said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    this is really strange. yesterday i read an article boasting of a poll that has only been wrong one time in the last 100 years. it says if bernie gets the nomination it is 99% certain trump will win. if clintone gets the nomination it is a 97% certainty that trump will win. i just don't see it like that based on the math i have seen.

    I read that as well. As they say, there is a first time for everything and all other indications point to this being the first time that poll is wrong (actually the second time, but the one time the poll was wrong they gave a reason for that being the case).
    i think they are saying that as an unofficial endorsement of trump.
    The electoral map favors a Democrat. I read that article and don't put a lot of merit in it. I would pay attention to 538.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    edited February 2016
    http://www.270towin.com/

    Electoral math. Democrats have to give back several states won twice by Obama to flip the country. Not saying it cannot or will not happen, just that Republicans face a difficult path.
    Post edited by JimmyV on
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Fu(k the issues lets pick the winner.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    JC29856 said:

    Fu(k the issues lets pick the winner.

    I've always enjoyed paying attention to both but you go on having fun posting this over and over. Adds a lot to the discussion.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    Fu(k the issues lets pick the winner.

    I've always enjoyed paying attention to both but you go on having fun posting this over and over. Adds a lot to the discussion.
    I post for the unposting majority.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,189
    JimmyV said:

    http://www.270towin.com/

    Electoral math. Democrats have to give back several states won twice by Obama to flip the country. Not saying it cannot or will not happen, just that Republicans face a difficult path.

    Yeah and the Faux News zombies still haven't figured it out. The GOP needed a savior to have any hope in November....it isn't going to be Trumpenstein.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    JimmyV said:

    http://www.270towin.com/

    Electoral math. Democrats have to give back several states won twice by Obama to flip the country. Not saying it cannot or will not happen, just that Republicans face a difficult path.

    Plus, if Trump wins the nomination the democratic turnout will be huge and a lot of Republicans may stay at home as they cannot in good conscience vote for Trump.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,189
    eddiec said:

    JimmyV said:

    http://www.270towin.com/

    Electoral math. Democrats have to give back several states won twice by Obama to flip the country. Not saying it cannot or will not happen, just that Republicans face a difficult path.

    Plus, if Trump wins the nomination the democratic turnout will be huge and a lot of Republicans may stay at home as they cannot in good conscience vote for Trump.
    Yep...
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Gern Blansten said:

    eddiec said:

    JimmyV said:

    http://www.270towin.com/

    Electoral math. Democrats have to give back several states won twice by Obama to flip the country. Not saying it cannot or will not happen, just that Republicans face a difficult path.

    Plus, if Trump wins the nomination the democratic turnout will be huge and a lot of Republicans may stay at home as they cannot in good conscience vote for Trump.
    Yep...
    If Trump gets the nomination does that not already mean that many Republicans have already voted in good conscience for him?
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    eddiec said:

    JimmyV said:

    http://www.270towin.com/

    Electoral math. Democrats have to give back several states won twice by Obama to flip the country. Not saying it cannot or will not happen, just that Republicans face a difficult path.

    Plus, if Trump wins the nomination the democratic turnout will be huge and a lot of Republicans may stay at home as they cannot in good conscience vote for Trump.
    Yep...
    If Trump gets the nomination does that not already mean that many Republicans have already voted in good conscience for him?
    Yes and no...he has gotten the most votes and most delegates thus far by far, but he has yet to cross even 50% of voting Republicans in a single state. So more than half of Republican voters have chosen someone else and may continue to choose someone else. How many of those votes would swing his way in the fall is an unknown.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/opinion/mrs-clinton-show-voters-those-transcripts.html?
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Holy shit South Carolina.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited February 2016
    Anyone see the SC black vote for Hillary 08 like 16% and today like 84%? Is that accurate?
    Obama 78% black vote in 08!
    Explain that one horse race analysers?
    Post edited by JC29856 on
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited February 2016
    2008 SC dem turnout:
    532k total (229k white, 293 black)

    2016 turnout (est.):
    360k total (125k white, 218k black)

    12% voter turnout!

    Hillary Clinton is the 1st Democrat to win every SC county in a contested pres primary since Bill Clinton won it 63-18 over Tsongas in 1992
    Post edited by JC29856 on
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