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  • vant0037
    vant0037 Posts: 6,170
    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    vant0037 said:

    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    He keeps saying bitches in his lyrics, I am still listening online.
    Isn't that misogynistic?

    PS sorry if my spelling of bitches is offensive, what's the 'hip hop way' of spelling? bitcheZ?

    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    He keeps saying bitches in his lyrics, I am still listening online.
    Isn't that misogynistic?

    PS sorry if my spelling of bitches is offensive, what's the 'hip hop way' of spelling? bitcheZ?

    Take it easy.

    No one called you racist. If you're sensitive enough to think someone has, then perhaps you are also sensitive enough to understand why the casual use of a word along with the spelling you used is insensitive as well.

    You're free to post here of course, but in a thread about an artist you apparently don't care for, I'm not sure why you'd want to. No one here is interested in a debate about his lyrics or relevance or talent.
    As I said before I HONESTLY did not know the difference. I thought the spelling with the A on the end is just a cool hip hop way of spelling the N word. Just like Z on the end of bitches.
    Excuse my ignorance on the spelling of words in hip hop culture.
    I am not arguing whether or not the spelling of the N word with ER on the end is offensive or not.
    I am not denying spelling it with ER on the end is not offensive.
    I am here because I am open to checking out Kendrick's work.
    I am a casual rap fan so thought I might like his work.

    Right. And I tried (tactfully, I think) to call out your original spelling. I didn't assume you were using it willfully (quite the opposite). Your response to me was something like "wtf are you talking about etc," in a rather argumentative way. Still, no one assumed you were defending the use, but it did seem a little antagonistic. It also didn't help with your follow up posts where you presumed we all thought you were racist.

    Long story short: no one thinks you're a racist, but you're not doing a very good job of "I'm just here checking him out."
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    So you think I am trolling?
    I've actually listened to TPAB and almost done with the previous album.
    Swimming Pools is a good song.
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  • vant0037
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    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    So you think I am trolling?
    I've actually listened to TPAB and almost done with the previous album.
    Swimming Pools is a good song.

    No one said anything like that. I'm glad you're enjoying that song.
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    You've got me pissed off dude. Sorry but it is what it is.
    I made a mistake, didn't spell it the offensive way deliberately.
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  • vant0037
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    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    You've got me pissed off dude. Sorry but it is what it is.
    I made a mistake, didn't spell it the offensive way deliberately.

    Right. And no one assumed the worst. You were called on it, you responded how you did, and we're still talking about it. I don't think anyone currently assumes the worst either. Please don't carry on here and jeopardize the thread.
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    I feel like I have been made out to be a racist black person hater.
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  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    edited February 2016
    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    vant0037 said:

    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    He keeps saying bitches in his lyrics, I am still listening online.
    Isn't that misogynistic?

    PS sorry if my spelling of bitches is offensive, what's the 'hip hop way' of spelling? bitcheZ?

    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    He keeps saying bitches in his lyrics, I am still listening online.
    Isn't that misogynistic?

    PS sorry if my spelling of bitches is offensive, what's the 'hip hop way' of spelling? bitcheZ?

    Take it easy.

    No one called you racist. If you're sensitive enough to think someone has, then perhaps you are also sensitive enough to understand why the casual use of a word along with the spelling you used is insensitive as well.

    You're free to post here of course, but in a thread about an artist you apparently don't care for, I'm not sure why you'd want to. No one here is interested in a debate about his lyrics or relevance or talent.
    As I said before I HONESTLY did not know the difference. I thought the spelling with the A on the end is just a cool hip hop way of spelling the N word. Just like Z on the end of bitches.
    Excuse my ignorance on the spelling of words in hip hop culture.
    I am not arguing whether or not the spelling of the N word with ER on the end is offensive or not.
    I am not denying spelling it with ER on the end is not offensive.
    I am here because I am open to checking out Kendrick's work.
    I am a casual rap fan so thought I might like his work.

    Ok, you thought you might, but by your own posts and words you don't see or hear anything that moves you, so I guess some of us are wondering why you're still going on? No one called you racist, someone just suggested you think about which words you repeat and in what context. You have said you didn't know the difference, ok, now that is cleared up as well.

    Dude, it's over, so feel free to stay if you actually have more to say about Lamar's actual work. It's not a thread about you and your feelings, it's about Kendrick Lamar as an artists. But the posts after posts from you about this, and snippy comments like about "bitchez" are already getting old and we're only on page 2 of this thread.

    Can we get back to talking about Lamar's work?
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  • Tim Simmons
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    Bitches is misogynistic. But its also a cultural thing in hip hop. Like use of the n word, saying bitches doesn't have the cutting edge in hip hop culture and can be used in a more casual slang way, not unlike "chicks". But sure, one could be a bit more sensitive in using it.


    I don't think the language Kendrick uses in anyway diminishes the achievements of this album or the message it has. To be honest, it didn't cross my mind until this thread.
  • Tim Simmons
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    edited February 2016
    I hope he puts out an EP of these unreleased jams BTW. His Colbert jam is one of favorite kdot tracks.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    JH6056 said:

    Tim Simmons said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Not sure about that last point.

    Because if you enjoy hip hop, you'll get it immediately. If you don't enjoy hip hop, its not as obvious and takes work. Or to put it a different way, its probably not the album to pull you in the genre. I mean if you can, great, But if you look at like "hes angry at the man", then its not for you.
    Yup, good way to explain it. That's pretty much the bottom line on this point, especially it "not being the album to pull you into the genre".
    As someone who doesn't generally enjoy hip hop, I totally disagree with that theory.
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  • PJ_Soul
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    edited February 2016
    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    I feel like I have been made out to be a racist black person hater.

    You weren't made out to be that at all. I feel like you are the ONLY one who took it that way, so I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. You are making it a way bigger deal than it is.
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  • Tim Simmons
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    It was a bit odd that he wrote out ni**er. Not necessarily racist. I mean, who does that, even when quoting?

  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Tim Simmons said:

    It was a bit odd that he wrote out ni**er. Not necessarily racist. I mean, who does that, even when quoting?

    Why is it odd?
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  • Tim Simmons
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    edited February 2016
    Because it's derogatory and marginalizes a subset of people.
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    edited February 2016
    Tim Simmons said:

    Because it's derogatory and marginalizes a subset of people.

    Yeah I understand that but I didn't know the difference between the spellings as I have said a few times already. It was an honest error and I don't know what more to say other than sorry for any offense caused. I feel the way you guys have replied has had a go at me for my mistake.


    ANYWAYS....I just got home from the shops and bought a copy of TPAB, only $10 why not.
    I like King Kunta, funky baseline. That song came in at no. 2 on this years Triple J Hottest 100 of 2015 here is Australia.
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  • JH6056
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    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    Tim Simmons said:

    Because it's derogatory and marginalizes a subset of people.

    Yeah I understand that but I didn't know the difference between the spellings as I have said a few times already. It was an honest error and I don't know what more to say other than sorry for any offense caused. I feel the way you guys have replied has had a go at me for my mistake.


    ANYWAYS....I just got home from the shops and bought a copy of TPAB, only $10 why not.
    I like King Kunta, funky baseline. That song came in at no. 2 on this years Triple J Hottest 100 of 2015 here is Australia.
    Cool that you bought it. That is certainly the way to check it out. Let us know more of what you think. :)
  • Tim Simmons
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    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    Tim Simmons said:

    Because it's derogatory and marginalizes a subset of people.

    ANYWAYS....I just got home from the shops and bought a copy of TPAB, only $10 why not.
    I like King Kunta, funky baseline. That song came in at no. 2 on this years Triple J Hottest 100 of 2015 here is Australia.

    Yeah, King Kunta is fierce.


  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Wesley's theory reminds me of early 90s g funk
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  • Tim Simmons
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    Check out Flying Lotus. He produced that track. He's a pretty big electronic producer.. Buds with Thom Yorke. Makes great albums.
  • Mrfixit
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    Flying Lotus, Thundercat, Kamasi Washington... pretty much anything on the Brainfeeder label is worth a listen if you're digging the jazz/soul/electronic aspects of that kendrick album...

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