Kendrick Lamar

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    Thoughts_Arrive said:

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    What? It's true, I can hear him saying these profanities.
    Hearing and repeating certain words are two different things.
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    i couldn't get past his lyrics and some of the words he chooses to use.
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    buck502000 said:

    Yeah - I don't get it. Watched the whole Grammy performance. Seems like he's against, "the man" and that's his whole act.

    He's clearly not for everyone, but at least be aware that you're giving a surface listen/view to it and the storytelling is way way deeper and more complex than your takeaway. You don't have to like it, and you don't even have to delve deeper. Just understand that at the level you've listened/looked, you're not even getting a fraction of what he's saying and doing.
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    And it's also interesting to see how people can watch the exact same single performance (like the Grammys) and have such vastly different impressions of what it meant, what the message was, what was or wasn't groundbreaking and incredible (or not incredible) about it..... It clearly all starts with what you've been exposed to and how you see the world before you ever watch the performance. Like most things, the perspective that you start from totally influences what you do and don't take away from it.

    Same can be said for Lady Gaga's Bowie performance. I saw raves on many of the online entertainment sites, but the Bowie-aholics I know on facebook shredded it and tore it up. Most agreed she seemed to be making a sincere effort, but no, it didn't work at all. It mostly boiled down to casual Bowie fan vs. intense Bowie fan, and very few major fans were impressed.

    Kendrick Lamar is exceptionally talented IMHO and for those of us steeped in hip hop (beyond "rap flavor of the month" back in the day), he's groundbreaking and amazing in how he tells his stories and the overall tapestry he wove with "To Pimp A Butterfly". But it's ok that some people will watch his Grammy performance and say "Eh, meh, ok he doesn't like "The Man", what is the big deal?" I might ask the same question of many of the other artists I saw on the Grammys. Like I'm starting to like Adele, but if all I'd really seen was her Grammy performance, I'd think "Wow, seriously, what IS the big deal? That was so mediocre!" But she's a lot more than that one performance.
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    I am not at all a fan of rap (I kind of hate it for the most part - very few exceptions), but I did really like that Grammy performance - cool combination of musical styles; very artistic and creative. Hadn't even heard of him before that - I am clueless when it comes to this genre.
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    The Man. lol
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    I think his performance on ACL is a better show of his talent. He knocked it out of the park on Grammys but the sound was terrible. ACL is a nice clean and crisp recording in a great environment.

    I think it also gives a better portrayal of the breadth and depth to his music. TPAB is an honest portrayal of life as a black man in 2015/1016 America. His reality is growing up in Compton with gang activity around him, as well as being marginalized by "the man" (still lol) and institutional racism. And TPAB is as progressive of a hip hop album as you are going to see outside of a Kanye album. its a touchstone album for the genre.

    but for the most part, if you don't like hip hop, its not really meant for you.


  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited February 2016
    Not sure about that last point.
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    Tim Simmons said:


    I think it also gives a better portrayal of the breadth and depth to his music. TPAB is an honest portrayal of life as a black man in 2015/1016 America. His reality is growing up in Compton with gang activity around him, as well as being marginalized by "the man" (still lol) and institutional racism.

    Ding ding ding! This guy gets it!

    Incredible album based on lived experiences, told in a provocative, progressive, captivating, and honest way.
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    PJ_Soul said:

    Not sure about that last point.

    Because if you enjoy hip hop, you'll get it immediately. If you don't enjoy hip hop, its not as obvious and takes work. Or to put it a different way, its probably not the album to pull you in the genre. I mean if you can, great, But if you look at like "hes angry at the man", then its not for you.
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    edited February 2016
    vant0037 said:

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    Hearing and repeating certain words are two different things.
    wtf are you saying? That I am in the wrong for repeating words he uses in his lyrics?
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    Thoughts_Arrive said:

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    wtf are you saying? That I am in the wrong for repeating words he uses in his lyrics?
    No, I'm saying you should be careful which words you repeat literally. Words can sound vastly different depending on who says them. If I really need to explain why directly quoting his use of a certain word is probably in poor taste, then I guess I'll stop there.

    (hint: you said "n***er!", when aside from the fact that the typical quotation of that word ends with an "a" so as to differentiate between the slang hip hop use and the white racist use, is generally not done!)

    That's what I'm saying. Careful how you use the "n-word." Sorry if I was obtuse, but I figured it was obvious.

    It's 2016, and no its not ok yet.
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  • Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    edited February 2016
    vant0037 said:

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    No, I'm saying you should be careful which words you repeat literally. Words can sound vastly different depending on who says them. If I really need to explain why directly quoting his use of a certain word is probably in poor taste, then I guess I'll stop there.

    (hint: you said "n***er!", when aside from the fact that the typical quotation of that word ends with an "a" so as to differentiate between the slang hip hop use and the white racist use, is generally not done!)

    That's what I'm saying. Careful how you use the "n-word." Sorry if I was obtuse, but I figured it was obvious.

    It's 2016, and no its not ok yet.
    Thanks for clearing that up.
    I just didn't think anyone would get offended by me repeating something a rapper says.
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    edited February 2016
    Except there is a difference between ni**er and ni**a. And most people censor it when writing it either way.

    Kinda odd that you don't think someone could get offended writing "ni**er" even as a quote.
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  • Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Oh for heavens sake, I wasn't being racist. I honestly didn't realise there is a difference in the spelling.
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  • Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Seeing you people think I am a racist I have edited my post to the correct spelling.
    As I said I honestly didn't know the difference.
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    Tim Simmons said:

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    Because if you enjoy hip hop, you'll get it immediately. If you don't enjoy hip hop, its not as obvious and takes work. Or to put it a different way, its probably not the album to pull you in the genre. I mean if you can, great, But if you look at like "hes angry at the man", then its not for you.
    Yup, good way to explain it. That's pretty much the bottom line on this point, especially it "not being the album to pull you into the genre".
  • Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    He keeps saying bitches in his lyrics, I am still listening online.
    Isn't that misogynistic?

    PS sorry if my spelling of bitches is offensive, what's the 'hip hop way' of spelling? bitcheZ?
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    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    He keeps saying bitches in his lyrics, I am still listening online.
    Isn't that misogynistic?

    PS sorry if my spelling of bitches is offensive, what's the 'hip hop way' of spelling? bitcheZ?

    Thoughts_Arrive said:

    He keeps saying bitches in his lyrics, I am still listening online.
    Isn't that misogynistic?

    PS sorry if my spelling of bitches is offensive, what's the 'hip hop way' of spelling? bitcheZ?

    Take it easy.

    No one called you racist. If you're sensitive enough to think someone has, then perhaps you are also sensitive enough to understand why the casual use of a word along with the spelling you used is insensitive as well.

    You're free to post here of course, but in a thread about an artist you apparently don't care for, I'm not sure why you'd want to. No one here is interested in a debate about his lyrics or relevance or talent.
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  • Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    vant0037 said:

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    Take it easy.

    No one called you racist. If you're sensitive enough to think someone has, then perhaps you are also sensitive enough to understand why the casual use of a word along with the spelling you used is insensitive as well.

    You're free to post here of course, but in a thread about an artist you apparently don't care for, I'm not sure why you'd want to. No one here is interested in a debate about his lyrics or relevance or talent.
    As I said before I HONESTLY did not know the difference. I thought the spelling with the A on the end is just a cool hip hop way of spelling the N word. Just like Z on the end of bitches.
    Excuse my ignorance on the spelling of words in hip hop culture.
    I am not arguing whether or not the spelling of the N word with ER on the end is offensive or not.
    I am not denying spelling it with ER on the end is not offensive.
    I am here because I am open to checking out Kendrick's work.
    I am a casual rap fan so thought I might like his work.

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