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Lottery Needs Fixing-Easy solution.
So it boggles my mind that the following could happen:
Poster 1: 5 people and ZERO pairs for Toronto.
On the bright side, got Ottawa, Ft Lauderdale, Miami and Tampa Reserved.
Poster 2: Congratulation to all the winners. I was completely shut out - 0 for 10. If anyone comes across any extras for Ft. Lauderdale or Miami, please let me know. Travel already booked.
Poster 3: Got 5/1 MSG 1st choice. Got 4/29 Philly 2nd choice
It seems to be there should be some priority given to a weighted system. It is easy to make a computer algorithm that puts the maximal number of distinct fans into seats. You run one round and place as many people in distinct venues as possible. Any remaining tickets runs another round at second choice. People that won in the first round are not eligible in the 2nd round. An so on....Once the computer has satisfied all choices for one show then it opens it up to people getting duplicate shows. There is no way Poster 2 should get blanked when Poster 1 has 4 shows.
The GA part should be a lottery when you pick up tickets. People shouldn't have to rank GA vs Reserve. Once people get the show they want then the 10 club can randomly pull for GA to distribute the day of the show. I guess you should be able to specify to be excluded from the GA lottery.
I am less enthralled with Pearl Jam as I used to be so I am not too worried about not getting in, but others obviously are. I put all my eggs into MSG. The other addition that is needed is what shows are you willing to travel two and how many do you want to buy. I picked MSG because it is sort of a bucket list thing. However, if I found out I couldn't get MSG then I could have traveled to about five other shows. I can only spend time/money traveling to 1 show. The lottery should be able to allow to do this:
Shows I am wiling to attend: Miami, Greenville, MSG, Toronto, Ottawa
Number of shows desired: 1
Poster 1: 5 people and ZERO pairs for Toronto.
On the bright side, got Ottawa, Ft Lauderdale, Miami and Tampa Reserved.
Poster 2: Congratulation to all the winners. I was completely shut out - 0 for 10. If anyone comes across any extras for Ft. Lauderdale or Miami, please let me know. Travel already booked.
Poster 3: Got 5/1 MSG 1st choice. Got 4/29 Philly 2nd choice
It seems to be there should be some priority given to a weighted system. It is easy to make a computer algorithm that puts the maximal number of distinct fans into seats. You run one round and place as many people in distinct venues as possible. Any remaining tickets runs another round at second choice. People that won in the first round are not eligible in the 2nd round. An so on....Once the computer has satisfied all choices for one show then it opens it up to people getting duplicate shows. There is no way Poster 2 should get blanked when Poster 1 has 4 shows.
The GA part should be a lottery when you pick up tickets. People shouldn't have to rank GA vs Reserve. Once people get the show they want then the 10 club can randomly pull for GA to distribute the day of the show. I guess you should be able to specify to be excluded from the GA lottery.
I am less enthralled with Pearl Jam as I used to be so I am not too worried about not getting in, but others obviously are. I put all my eggs into MSG. The other addition that is needed is what shows are you willing to travel two and how many do you want to buy. I picked MSG because it is sort of a bucket list thing. However, if I found out I couldn't get MSG then I could have traveled to about five other shows. I can only spend time/money traveling to 1 show. The lottery should be able to allow to do this:
Shows I am wiling to attend: Miami, Greenville, MSG, Toronto, Ottawa
Number of shows desired: 1
95-Milwaukee, 98-East Troy, 00-East Troy, 03-Detroit Nights 1 and 2, 03-Toronto, 04-Grand Rapids, 05-Kitchener, 06-Cincinnati, 06-Auburn Hills, 10-New Orleans, 10-Kansas City, 11-PJ20 Nights 1 and 2, 13-Chicago, 14- Moline, 16-Chicago Nights 1 and 2, 18-Seattle Nights 1 and 2, Chicago Night 1, 21-Ohana Encore Night 1 and 2, 22-Imola, St. Louis.
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Click your preferences of shows (and GA/Reserve) in order of priority. Then you select names out of the entire pool for a tour, and when their name comes up, they match your highest priority that is available, and then take your name out of the pool all together (unless there are still tickets to go around, then and only then can you win a second show) if your name is pulled and all of your preferences are sold out, you get some sort of perk (such as merch) or your name gets put on a list in which you are offered a pair of tickets to shows in cities that you did not initially request that may have had 10c tickets left over at the end of drawing. You would have 24 hours to respond to agree to take those tickets or else it goes to the next person on the list, etc. until the show is sold out. If there are no tickets left over to other shows, they guarentee you tickets to your #1 priority show for the next tour you apply to. Saying no or failing to respond to the left over ticket offer will take you off the waiting list.
So for future tours, they first go through last tour's waiting list and give them their #1 priority and then do the lottery as normal.
I think this is the system going forward though, so just have to deal with it. Maybe they will limit shows, but that won't accomplish anything since most people only get 1-2 shows anyways.
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2006-East Rutherford
2008-West Palm Beach
2009- Philadelphia
2016- Fort Lauderdale and Miami
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This is exactly what I dont want as a 10c member since 1999... The only thing that annoys me about this system is that I cant get tickets to BOTH MSG or Philly or 2 venue shows... This band is built on their shows and people following them but their most recent Lottery system change takes this ability away to some extent.
2000 Tour- Saratoga 8/27 Boston 8/29, 8/30
2003 Tour- Albany 4/29 Boston 7/2,7/3,7/11 Philadelphia 7/5,7/6 MSG 7/8,7/9
2004 Tour- Boston 9/28,9/29
2006 Tour- Albany 5/12 Hartford 5/13 Boston 5/24,5/25
2008 Tour- MSG 6/24,6/25 Hartford 6/27 Boston 6/28,6/30 Eddie- Boston 8/1
2009 Tour- Eddie- Albany 6/9 Philly Spectrum- 10/30, 10/31
2010 Tour- Hartford 5/15 MSG 5/20,5/21
2011 Tour- Eddie- Hartford 6/18
2013 Tour- Worcester,MA 10/15,10/16 Hartford 10/25
2016 Tour- MSG 5/1,5/2 FENWAY 8/5,8/7
2018 Tour- Fenway 9/2, 9/4 (My 40th show)!
2000: Pitt
2003: Pitt, State College, Columbus,DC, Hershey
2004: Reading, Toledo, DC
2005: Pitt
2006: Cleve, Camden 1+2, DC, Pitt, Cinci
2008: Camden 1+2, DC
2009: Philly 3
2010: Columbus
2012: Philly
2013: Pitt, NYC 1+2
I would like there to one option for each show and you can decline ga. Then draw for ga after the fact and it's revealed when people pick up tickets. They could even make the first couple rows on the closest reserve sections random.
GA line should be randomized to eliminate that nonsense.
Ticketless entry. To make sure people who get the tickets are going to shows and 'extra pairs' are never traded or sold. Also obliterates scalping.
I would like the selection programming to prioritize people who have not won tickets each round.
And also the ability to make a contingency selections would be great. It's much easier for me to go to toronto, nyc, philly, or ottawa... but if I get shut out, I'll make a trip to raleigh... however, I currently cant put raleigh on there because I can't go to/afford 3 - 5 shows... but it would be nice if you are willing to travel, you can all but guarantee 1 concert with 10c tickets.
Edit: I did very well this round and have the strategy figured out. It still has a lot of room for improvement
'06: Irving Plaza, East Rutherford 1 & 2 '07: Lolla '08: Camden 2, MSG2, Beacon
'09 :Philly 1 & 2 '10: Buffalo, Newark, MSG1, MSG2
'11: PJ20 1 & 2 '12: Missoula '13: Wrigley, BK2, Philly 1 & 2, Hartford
'14: Ams 1 & 2, Cincy, St Louis, Detroit, Moline '15: Central Park
'16 Philly 1 & 2, MSG 1 & 2, Toronto 1 & 2, Fenway 1, Wrigley 1
'17 Brooklyn hall of fame ‘18 Fenway 1
And new people complaining about the lottery have no idea what a cluster fuck F5 was... veterans that are complaining are probably just greedy and are pissed because they used to get every show they wanted because they were willing to F5 all day like I used to do... fuck all that shit, the lottery is a godsend compared to the free for all system of yesterday
95-Milwaukee, 98-East Troy, 00-East Troy, 03-Detroit Nights 1 and 2, 03-Toronto, 04-Grand Rapids, 05-Kitchener, 06-Cincinnati, 06-Auburn Hills, 10-New Orleans, 10-Kansas City, 11-PJ20 Nights 1 and 2, 13-Chicago, 14- Moline, 16-Chicago Nights 1 and 2, 18-Seattle Nights 1 and 2, Chicago Night 1, 21-Ohana Encore Night 1 and 2, 22-Imola, St. Louis.
95-Milwaukee, 98-East Troy, 00-East Troy, 03-Detroit Nights 1 and 2, 03-Toronto, 04-Grand Rapids, 05-Kitchener, 06-Cincinnati, 06-Auburn Hills, 10-New Orleans, 10-Kansas City, 11-PJ20 Nights 1 and 2, 13-Chicago, 14- Moline, 16-Chicago Nights 1 and 2, 18-Seattle Nights 1 and 2, Chicago Night 1, 21-Ohana Encore Night 1 and 2, 22-Imola, St. Louis.
I guess the downside from the band's perspective would be they may not get enough requests for their allotted ticket supply in the lower demand cities like in the Carolinas this time around. But in those cases they could then do a 2nd chance lottery like they did for Phoenix and Calgary (I think it was) in 2013.
You just need to be willing to sit in Reserved or travel a bit to a less populated area or a non-weekend night - just like people like me who haven't had Pearl Jam come very close for a long time, but have faithfully not let my membership lapse for 13 years or so. I have yet to miss my first choice, but I've made safe first choices.
GA and trying to see bunches of shows are what's causing most of the complaints. I'd love to see them in GA sometime, but I'd rather see them than not and you basically have very little chance of seeing them in GA with a 2nd choice or lower.
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SHOW COUNT: (149) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=89, US=109, CAN=15, Europe=19 ,New Zealand=2, Australia=2
Mexico=1, Colombia=1
Upcoming: Sacramento, Vegas x2, Manchester, London, Chicago x2, NYC x2, Fenway x2, Ohana x2 Aucklandx2, Gold Coast, Melbournex2
Take for example a guy like long time 10 clubber Craven Moorehead who lives in East Podunk, SC.
Craven has always desired to go to New York and puts MSG in as his first choice, then follows it up with selections for Greenville, Raleigh and Columbia.
Craven gets lucky and gets selected for MSG then gets all 3 of his other choices because of low demand in the Carolinas.
Had Craven not been allowed to enter for any and all shows and instead been limited to say 3 cities, he might have chosen to enter only for the 3 shows that he could drive to and not risked the MSG entry, thus lowering the number of entrants for a high demand show.
it would be interesting to know the statistics of how many unique members entered the lottery and to see a distribution of how many shows were entered for those unique members.
oh, and also for simplicity's sake don't delineate between GA and reserved. i'm sure that only complicates the choices for the folks in NYC or Philly
You would have 1 choice for each show. It would be "Raleigh" or "MSG I", etc. Then you can check a box (or some other way for the software to recognize you dont want GA tix).
So they get all the entries. Then for MSG I, they draw all the 10c tix winners. Say there are 500 pairs in GA and 1000 pairs reserved. They choose 1500 winners. They do this for each show and go on down the line (Im also for giving folks who were not successful in round 1 preference in round 2).
So after all the tickets are done, cards charged, people emailed, dust settles... they draw for GA out of the 1,500 pairs. the 100 winners who do not want GA are excluded, so the remaining 1,400 people are drawn for the 500 GA pairs. When they pick up their tickets, they get a nice surprise.
I know when typed out it "sounds" confusing... but this is actually much less confusing than the current method and a piece of cake to program.