Cliven Bundy

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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    mickeyrat said:

    Godfather. said:

    Cosmo said:

    Godfather. said:

    Mr. Bundy is not an illegal and what little I do know of this reeks of government control, it seems WACO has tought the fed's something sense they have not killed his family and burned bown his home yet, this is one of those situations that sounds like our government is stepping over it's bounds...bulling a property owner over grazzing land ?
    but I will admit I have not had time to really check this out.

    Godfather.

    ...
    First off, sir... I hope you understand that you don't have to be here illegally to commit crimes in this country. Every day, crimes are being commited by people who are legal citizens of the United States.
    That is what Mr. Bundy is doing... commiting the crime of criminal trespassing, destruction of public lands, violation of U.S. court orders and failure to pay fines. It is the same thing if you went out to Joshua Tree National Park and built a garage there to store your 4-Wheelers so you could drive through the Cholla Cactus preserve. You know that is illegal, right? Would you think the government would be over stepping its boundaries if they went after you and your garage? No. You know it is wrong to break the law and if you did... you would expect the cops to come knocking, right?
    Mr. Bundy owns private property... why doesn't he use that property that he owns, to graze his cattle? The same way you should store your 4-wheelers on property you own, right? If the property isn't big enough for Mr. Bundy's cattle.... why doesn't he pay to use someone else's property to graze... just like you can pay to store your 4-Wheeler on a storage lot, right?
    It boils down to a case where Mr. Bundy is making money by selling his cattle... and not having to pay to feed them. The one over stepping the boundaries here is Mr. Bundy... a criminal trespasser who is violating a court order.
    ...
    Finally, I think it might be a good idea if you got yourself acquainted with this situation before forming an opinion on who is right and who is wrong. Don't just go on what you have seen on television or read on right wing websites. There are tons of articles out there, including many that are linked to this thread. When you see that, you will come to understand that it has nothing to do with Waco and the Branch Davidians and everything to do with a rancher who believes the laws of our country do not apply to him.
    right wing vs. left wing info now that sounds fun ! as I said I'm not really up on this stuff but I do understand what youre saying about his cattle feeding on federal land and heaven forbid he not pay the government for grazzing rights...but I did see a short piece on the news that said he tried to pay those fee's but his payment was rejected and anything after that I haven't heard too much about other than pictures of dead cattle hanging from cables...what was that ?

    Godfather.

    As I understand it, He doesnt recognize Federal Authority(any longer) so he attempted to pay his county who did not have jurisdiction so they refused to accept what was not theirs to accept.

    well then he f ' d up there is no fighting the federal machine, they make and enforce the rules, I'll bet the IRS if not now will be hot on his ass with fines and fees and all kinds of made up bullshit, the fed's like to keep their .....people submissive and obediant.


    Godfather.

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,356
    submissive and obedient?? these taxes and fees are the price of living in a society.

    remember, freedom ain't free.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,356
    i just now saw that cliven bundy owes the federal government, YOUR government, more than all of the other ranchers COMBINED.

    fuck this guy. for real.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    submissive and obedient?? these taxes and fees are the price of living in a society.

    remember, freedom ain't free.

    Freedom isn't free if it's not free.
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  • The Juggler
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  • CH156378
    CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8906232
    Looks like terrorists have seized a federal building.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,668
    CH156378 said:

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8906232
    Looks like terrorists have seized a federal building.

    These guys are dinosaurs. Grazing cows (not bison) in the west should have never started or at least ended many years ago. Anyone with a basic knowledge of ecology knows this. These yahoos need to get a(nother) life.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,615
    brianlux said:

    CH156378 said:

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8906232
    Looks like terrorists have seized a federal building.

    These guys are dinosaurs. Grazing cows (not bison) in the west should have never started or at least ended many years ago. Anyone with a basic knowledge of ecology knows this. These yahoos need to get a(nother) life.
    And their sense of entitlement makes it even more ridiculous. They act like the public land is their own, and don't acknowledge that they're making a living utilizing what is all of ours. This also comes up when a wolf occasionally kills a ranchers sheep. They absolutely lose their shit and want to start shooting them all. The wolves returning to Oregon by their own doing, coming down from Idaho, is really a great story, and these knuckleheads act like it's their own back yard and a cougar killed their pug. The wander cattle actually put people at risk. They mosey across the highway, and in the saddest ironic story ever, about 5 years ago a guy driving a meat truck died when he collided with a cow.
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    submissive and obedient?? these taxes and fees are the price of living in a society.

    remember, freedom ain't free.

    Unless you're white and republican, obviously. Change the complexion and party and Sean Hannity would be throwing a hissy fit now.
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,080
    A government standoff...these always end well.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,668
    Go Beavers said:

    brianlux said:

    CH156378 said:

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8906232
    Looks like terrorists have seized a federal building.

    These guys are dinosaurs. Grazing cows (not bison) in the west should have never started or at least ended many years ago. Anyone with a basic knowledge of ecology knows this. These yahoos need to get a(nother) life.
    And their sense of entitlement makes it even more ridiculous. They act like the public land is their own, and don't acknowledge that they're making a living utilizing what is all of ours. This also comes up when a wolf occasionally kills a ranchers sheep. They absolutely lose their shit and want to start shooting them all. The wolves returning to Oregon by their own doing, coming down from Idaho, is really a great story, and these knuckleheads act like it's their own back yard and a cougar killed their pug. The wander cattle actually put people at risk. They mosey across the highway, and in the saddest ironic story ever, about 5 years ago a guy driving a meat truck died when he collided with a cow.
    More good points, Go Beavers!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,727
    edited January 2016
    So the guys they are coming to the defense of, set fire to areas of federal land in a geographical where wildfires alone are an issue to human life. I assume were charged federally with arson.

    Now, there could be a legal case for these guys to appeal this resentencing but that is for their attorneys to handle.

    Bundy and his cohorts are setting themselves up to be an example and in my opinion need dealt with in the manner they seem to want. With force and no quarter.


    This is armed insurrection and the constitution allows for this to be put down with prejudice.
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  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    Already I saw one idiot troll on Facebook defending them just because they're white. To hell with building more prisons, we need more mental hospitals.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,668
    A song for Clive and the good ol' boys:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPmFV7Kr9DM
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,960
    Y'all Qaeda waging YeeHawd
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/04/us/oregon-standoff-social-media-reaction/
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    eddiec said:

    Y'all Qaeda waging YeeHawd
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/04/us/oregon-standoff-social-media-reaction/

    There have been some brilliant memes come out of this!
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    eddiec said:

    Y'all Qaeda waging YeeHawd
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/04/us/oregon-standoff-social-media-reaction/

    LOL!

    The Cletuses dun went an got organized.

    Giddy up! Get er dun.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,356
    i am starting to think that "patriotism" is something that we need to put in the DSM-V

    these guys are full blown whackadoodles.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i am starting to think that "patriotism" is something that we need to put in the DSM-V

    these guys are full blown whackadoodles.

    It's really hatriotism.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,668
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i am starting to think that "patriotism" is something that we need to put in the DSM-V

    these guys are full blown whackadoodles.

    This cracked me up! Funny as all get out but oh so true. On a Global Assessment of Functioning some of these guys must only register around a 10 out 100.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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