Call to boycott stores with Black Thursday Sales

PJ_Soul · November 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:
I must say that I really appreciate the non-government liquor stores being open on Thanksgiving and Christmas day. I wish they'd have fire sales too!
we don't have those in Manitoba, dangit. I wish they'd privatize them already.

Bummer! What a pain in the ass that must be. I really like having both kinds. The BC Liquor stores are great, especially the signature ones, because they have the best prices and a HUGE selection of everything, especially wines, and especially at the Signature stores (which also have extended hours - to 11pm, 6pm Sundays). And just recently the BC stores were finally allowed to sell cold stuff, so now they have fridges installed as well (god knows why there was a law preventing them from doing that before). But the private so-called cold beer and wine stores (which also carry spirits now - have for several years now) are all over the place and, while more expensive usually by a few bucks, are very convenient and easy to find, and are open 365 days a year. I'd say I frequent both evenly. Choice is good!

HughFreakingDillon · November 2015

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:
I must say that I really appreciate the non-government liquor stores being open on Thanksgiving and Christmas day. I wish they'd have fire sales too!
we don't have those in Manitoba, dangit. I wish they'd privatize them already.

Bummer! What a pain in the ass that must be. I really like having both kinds. The BC Liquor stores are great, especially the signature ones, because they have the best prices and a HUGE selection of everything, especially wines, and especially at the Signature stores (which also have extended hours - to 11pm, 6pm Sundays). And just recently the BC stores were finally allowed to sell cold stuff, so now they have fridges installed as well (god knows why there was a law preventing them from doing that before). But the private so-called cold beer and wine stores (which also carry spirits now - have for several years now) are all over the place and, while more expensive usually by a few bucks, are very convenient and easy to find, and are open 365 days a year. I'd say I frequent both evenly. Choice is good!

one thing I didn't like, when I visited a buddy in Vancouver in 1995 or so, the beer and wine stores closed at fucking 11pm. it was ridiculous!

PJfanwillneverleave1 · November 2015

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:
I must say that I really appreciate the non-government liquor stores being open on Thanksgiving and Christmas day. I wish they'd have fire sales too!
we don't have those in Manitoba, dangit. I wish they'd privatize them already.

And just recently the BC stores were finally allowed to sell cold stuff, so now they have fridges installed as well (god knows why there was a law preventing them from doing that before). But the private so-called cold beer and wine stores

I could be wrong on the distance but the law was beer vending could not operate within 200yard of each other.

cp3iverson · November 2015

I Always shop on Black Friday (well Thursday now). Its fun to be in the chaos. We usually get coffee, stand in line and just grab cheap movies and albums.

PJ_Soul · November 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:
I must say that I really appreciate the non-government liquor stores being open on Thanksgiving and Christmas day. I wish they'd have fire sales too!
we don't have those in Manitoba, dangit. I wish they'd privatize them already.

Bummer! What a pain in the ass that must be. I really like having both kinds. The BC Liquor stores are great, especially the signature ones, because they have the best prices and a HUGE selection of everything, especially wines, and especially at the Signature stores (which also have extended hours - to 11pm, 6pm Sundays). And just recently the BC stores were finally allowed to sell cold stuff, so now they have fridges installed as well (god knows why there was a law preventing them from doing that before). But the private so-called cold beer and wine stores (which also carry spirits now - have for several years now) are all over the place and, while more expensive usually by a few bucks, are very convenient and easy to find, and are open 365 days a year. I'd say I frequent both evenly. Choice is good!
one thing I didn't like, when I visited a buddy in Vancouver in 1995 or so, the beer and wine stores closed at fucking 11pm. it was ridiculous!

Oh, there are still a LOT of ridiculous BC laws when it comes to alcohol! The 11pm thing is only the tip of the iceberg! BC is the worst province in the country when it comes to liquor laws..... Meanwhile, we already have 100+ stores selling weed in Vancouver. Go figure, lol.

Drowned Out · November 2015

Amongst the Ani said:
Slowly Thanksgiving is being destroyed by these black Thursday sales. The premise that we spend one day a year just giving thanks for our families and what we already have is something we need to hold onto for our children and their children. Besides making employees of stores work during thanksgiving dinner hours we take the thought of why we have thanksgiving and flush it down the toilet. The only way to make these stores stop this horrible behavior is to not spend any money at them.

For all of you who like to argue on the right side of morality I have a challenge for you. Boycott any brick and mortar store wilh a sale on Thursday for the rest of this year. Target, Walmart and retailers count on a massive 4th quarter to meet end of year sale targets. The only way to stop this is to ruin their financial year. With Amazon and online retailers we do not need these stores anymore. Stand up and help take Thanksgiving back before it is lost forever.

Don't amazon and other online retailers have black friday sales, and have employees working on thanksgiving?

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:
I must say that I really appreciate the non-government liquor stores being open on Thanksgiving and Christmas day. I wish they'd have fire sales too!
we don't have those in Manitoba, dangit. I wish they'd privatize them already.

Bummer! What a pain in the ass that must be. I really like having both kinds. The BC Liquor stores are great, especially the signature ones, because they have the best prices and a HUGE selection of everything, especially wines, and especially at the Signature stores (which also have extended hours - to 11pm, 6pm Sundays). And just recently the BC stores were finally allowed to sell cold stuff, so now they have fridges installed as well (god knows why there was a law preventing them from doing that before). But the private so-called cold beer and wine stores (which also carry spirits now - have for several years now) are all over the place and, while more expensive usually by a few bucks, are very convenient and easy to find, and are open 365 days a year. I'd say I frequent both evenly. Choice is good!
one thing I didn't like, when I visited a buddy in Vancouver in 1995 or so, the beer and wine stores closed at fucking 11pm. it was ridiculous!

My first PJ show, at BC Place, we bailed half way thru Neil Young's set so that we could hit a liquor store before they closed (I know - but we were practically kids)....couldn't find one anywhere near the stadium, and by the time we did, it was closed. LIved in BC for nearly two years and the split stores / warm beer / early close drove me nuts. In AB most stores are open till 2AM. They are looking into allowing beer/wine sales in grocery stores, and the general consensus seems to be 'why put the private stores out of business for the sake of big chains, when there is already a store in basically every single strip mall in the province?'....prices skyrocketed when we privatized, but availability has increased huge.

PJ_Soul · November 2015

Re Amazon being open on Thanksgiving: A lot of stores make working on stat holidays optional because they know they'll have no probs staffing the place because the staff gets paid overtime. Plenty of people WANT to work holidays for that very reason. In my experience, places ask their staff and work it out. Usually those without families are a good option on holidays, or people who don't celebrate the holiday in question at all. I.e. nothing wrong with having someone who didn't celebrate Thanksgiving to work! Same with Christmas. As far as Amazon goes... it's open 24/7/365 in any case, as most online stores are, so the issue is actually moot as far as they go in particular.

HesCalledDyer · November 2015

Anyone that foregoes family dinner on Thursday to go god damn shopping needs to buy me some 12 gauge shells and let me do ya a favor. What a bunch of horseshit. Can't wait ONE fucking day and go on Friday. No wonder this country sucks. No fucking value on anything except materials.

mcgruff10 · November 2015

PJ_Soul said:
I must say that I really appreciate the non-government liquor stores being open on Thanksgiving and Christmas day. I wish they'd have fire sales too!

What a the difference between government an non-government liquor stores in Canada? Can you buy only certain things in each? Or only buy a case of beer rather than a six pack?

Drowned Out · November 2015

PJ_Soul said:
Re Amazon being open on Thanksgiving: A lot of stores make working on stat holidays optional because they know they'll have no probs staffing the place because the staff gets paid overtime. Plenty of people WANT to work holidays for that very reason. In my experience, places ask their staff and work it out. Usually those without families are a good option on holidays, or people who don't celebrate the holiday in question at all. I.e. nothing wrong with having someone who didn't celebrate Thanksgiving to work! Same with Christmas. As far as Amazon goes... it's open 24/7/365 in any case, as most online stores are, so the issue is actually moot as far as they go in particular.

Amazon has massive warehouses and a lot of people are needed to keep the site running smoothly 24/7/365, right?...Including thanksgiving? If the point of the boycott is to not shop at places that are open thanksgiving, then why does the OP mention not needing walmart when we have amazon? Amazon is a bigger company than walmart....does the fact that we don't have to see and feel bad for the workers that day make it ok, or am I missing something?
I agree - there are people who don't care and wouldn't mind making OT wages...if those places actually pay it.

PJ_Soul · November 2015

Drowned Out said:

PJ_Soul said:
Re Amazon being open on Thanksgiving: A lot of stores make working on stat holidays optional because they know they'll have no probs staffing the place because the staff gets paid overtime. Plenty of people WANT to work holidays for that very reason. In my experience, places ask their staff and work it out. Usually those without families are a good option on holidays, or people who don't celebrate the holiday in question at all. I.e. nothing wrong with having someone who didn't celebrate Thanksgiving to work! Same with Christmas. As far as Amazon goes... it's open 24/7/365 in any case, as most online stores are, so the issue is actually moot as far as they go in particular.
Amazon has massive warehouses and a lot of people are needed to keep the site running smoothly 24/7/365, right?...Including thanksgiving? If the point of the boycott is to not shop at places that are open thanksgiving, then why does the OP mention not needing walmart when we have amazon? Amazon is a bigger company than walmart....does the fact that we don't have to see and feel bad for the workers that day make it ok, or am I missing something?
I agree - there are people who don't care and wouldn't mind making OT wages...if those places actually pay it.

I have no clue about the US, but wouldn't companies be legally obligated to pay overtime wages for Thanksgiving and Christmas in Canada? Can a company fire an employee because they refuse to work on Christmas day? I have no clue, but I'm under the impression that there is some kind of protection there....
Anyway, you're right, I almost forgot people claim to be upset about this because of the staff in the stores. Can't say I'm buying that, for the most part. I think most people are actually upset about it because they feel like their own sense of peace is violated by the fact that people are choosing to go out and fight over a DVD player on a holiday they value. I think people are actually offended because they feel like their traditions are being messed with. I'd be willing to bet that total strangers having to work on a holiday is completely besides the point for 98% of people.

brianlux · November 2015

Shopping on Thanksgiving Day either at a brick and mortar or on-line? NO WAY!

ldent42 · November 2015

I don't get why they suddenly started opening on thanksgiving day. When they'd open at 8 am on Friday it was like "alright, cool.you do you, big box store." But then they started opening earlier and earlier, 6 am, 3am, midnight. Now they're just out of their minds.

I used to go around 10 or 11 meet up with friends, pick up coffee at Dunkin, and go out to various malls in long island where they have parking lots and a bunch of big box stores in one place. We'd occasionally buy something if it was a really good deal and accessible. Couple hard drives here and there, a monitor maybe. pajamas from old navy. Mostly it was for entertainment. The one year we went into a Walmart it was absolute carnage. The place looked like it had been looted. But it was different, we went out at night and then got breakfast in tree morning before going home. We weren't involved in the craziness nor were we skipping out on "family time" since it was at night and none of us had big family thanksgiving dinners like you hear about people doing on tv.

I don't think the big box stores should be open on thanksgiving day. And yes, it is because don't think people should be forced to work even if it is at time and a half.
That said, if Amazon puts cat food on sale on thanksgiving day I'm ordering it.

Another side of this, movie theatres are open on thanksgiving. Why is no one upset about that?

rgambs · November 2015

ldent42 said:
I don't get why they suddenly started opening on thanksgiving day. When they'd open at 8 am on Friday it was like "alright, cool.you do you, big box store." But then they started opening earlier and earlier, 6 am, 3am, midnight. Now they're just out of their minds.

I used to go around 10 or 11 meet up with friends, pick up coffee at Dunkin, and go out to various malls in long island where they have parking lots and a bunch of big box stores in one place. We'd occasionally buy something if it was a really good deal and accessible. Couple hard drives here and there, a monitor maybe. pajamas from old navy. Mostly it was for entertainment. The one year we went into a Walmart it was absolute carnage. The place looked like it had been looted. But it was different, we went out at night and then got breakfast in tree morning before going home. We weren't involved in the craziness nor were we skipping out on "family time" since it was at night and none of us had big family thanksgiving dinners like you hear about people doing on tv.

I don't think the big box stores should be open on thanksgiving day. And yes, it is because don't think people should be forced to work even if it is at time and a half.
That said, if Amazon puts cat food on sale on thanksgiving day I'm ordering it.

Another side of this, movie theatres are open on thanksgiving. Why is no one upset about that?

Family fun and togetherness. My family went and watched the LOTR movies on Thanksgiving or Christmas when they were coming out, it was a nice time to do it. Nothing else is happening, there's nothing remotely good on TV, and the family is together...

cp3iverson · November 2015

I just don't understand the outrage i guess. My family loves it. Its fun to watch the chaos and to get the blu rays and CDs you want for 80% off.

If you work in retail it might suck to have to work Thanksgiving night but thats the nature of retail in America. I do prefer it starting on Friday tho. More fun

dankind · November 2015

FWIW: Thanksgiving sucks just a little worse than shopping.

front spacer · November 2015

The delusion that Thanksgiving day is an actual day of giving thanks is ridiculous.

Everyday should be a day of giving thanks for what we have, not just some day in November that we mostly get off work.

If there are sales, people will shop. If people don't want to work, then requested off.

brianlux · November 2015

front spacer said:
The delusion that Thanksgiving day is an actual day of giving thanks is ridiculous.

Everyday should be a day of giving thanks for what we have, not just some day in November that we mostly get off work.

If there are sales, people will shop. If people don't want to work, then requested off.

In the big picture, it certainly does seem that way but for me it's always a great day because I spend it with the people I care about. This year is our first without my wonderful brother-in-law, Tom. I'm thankful for the life he had and thankful to be so close to my sister. I'm thankful for the good people in my life who are still here and that I can be with them. I wouldn't want to spend the day doing anything else.

ldent42 · November 2015

rgambs said:

ldent42 said:
I don't get why they suddenly started opening on thanksgiving day. When they'd open at 8 am on Friday it was like "alright, cool.you do you, big box store." But then they started opening earlier and earlier, 6 am, 3am, midnight. Now they're just out of their minds.

I used to go around 10 or 11 meet up with friends, pick up coffee at Dunkin, and go out to various malls in long island where they have parking lots and a bunch of big box stores in one place. We'd occasionally buy something if it was a really good deal and accessible. Couple hard drives here and there, a monitor maybe. pajamas from old navy. Mostly it was for entertainment. The one year we went into a Walmart it was absolute carnage. The place looked like it had been looted. But it was different, we went out at night and then got breakfast in tree morning before going home. We weren't involved in the craziness nor were we skipping out on "family time" since it was at night and none of us had big family thanksgiving dinners like you hear about people doing on tv.

I don't think the big box stores should be open on thanksgiving day. And yes, it is because don't think people should be forced to work even if it is at time and a half.
That said, if Amazon puts cat food on sale on thanksgiving day I'm ordering it.

Another side of this, movie theatres are open on thanksgiving. Why is no one upset about that?

Family fun and togetherness. My family went and watched the LOTR movies on Thanksgiving or Christmas when they were coming out, it was a nice time to do it. Nothing else is happening, there's nothing remotely good on TV, and the family is together...

Maybe that explains it. People don't get upset about movie theatres being open on thanksgiving because they might like to go see a movie on thanksgiving evening or at least at some point that weekend. Point being that they can entertain the possibility of utilizing the movie theatres service. But they do not want to engage in the black Friday shopping madness, so they get angry that it is happening. Maybe because they want to get good deals and save money, but don't want to actually have to look to see what's on sale at which store and then go to it. makes sense.

jeffbr · November 2015

ldent42 said:

I don't think the big box stores should be open on thanksgiving day. And yes, it is because don't think people should be forced to work even if it is at time and a half.
That said, if Amazon puts cat food on sale on thanksgiving day I'm ordering it.

Another side of this, movie theatres are open on thanksgiving. Why is no one upset about that?

I don't really get this. Why reference big box stores specifically? And what does "forced" mean? Nobody is forced to work. You may have to agree to do so in order to keep your employment, but most states have at will employment. You can leave any time. I run a data center. We're be staffed 24 x 7 x 365. The Internet doesn't take a holiday. We're salaried, so there is no notion of time and a half.

Plenty of people work most/all holidays - broadcasters, journalists, police, fire, emt, data centers, hospitals and healthcare clinics, retailers, restaurants, theaters, bars, electricians, plumbers, Christmas Tree lots, etc... I guess I don't get the outrage against select retailers. If someone wants to spend the holiday with their family, then do it! If someone wants to shop (perhaps they don't have a family nearby or at least one they enjoy spending time with), then shop 'til you drop.

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