Paris Attacks

eddiec said:

muskydan said:

HOLY CRAP!!!! Illinois just joined the ever growing number of states that are saying we don't want any Refugees place

rgambs said:

The Facebook reaction to this tragedy has been predictably classless, wholly uninformed, unintelligent, cowardly, and just plain stupid in most cases.
I'm starting to think Trump has a chance in this Idiocracy we live in.

You must have taken off your They Live Glasses for a minute to see the REAL world we are living in now and not fantasy Island many people seem to live on. I hope Tatoo is doing well....

These governors know they won't be able to legally stop it. They are just pandering to the small minded with elections on the horizon.

Tell that to the family and friends of those who died in Paris at the hands of someone who slipped back into France on the migrant trail. Call them "small minded" if they don't want to allow more refugees in. A Reuters poll indicated that 52% of Americans believe countries are less with refugees entering. There are real concerns here so don't belittle people who you disagree with when their concerns are at the least reasonable if not valid.

It is insane that someone sneaking in the country as a refugee murders innocent people and it is not appropriate to think that maybe we should re-look at the refugee policies.

BS44325 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

BS44325 said:

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/16/3722838/all-paris-attackers-identified-so-far-are-european-nationals-according-to-top-eu-official/

Yeah, that passport was a fake

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paris-stadium-attacker-entered-europe-via-greece-1447698583

That is why maybe we should figure out who these people were before we jump to conclusions and lay blame......on that note, I'm still waiting for the evidence of the BDS movement's involvement.

As far as BDS...They finger the target while those committed to violence takes those targets down.

Please keep defending them and the murder they incite.

Bold accusations to make with absolutely no evidence.

Bataclan owned by jewish brothers and protested against and intimidated by BDS for years. Band who just played Israel. Complete coincedence.

and the stadium bombings attempted were jsut to throw us off the trail. got it.

ISIS knows how to walk and chew gum at the same time. The Hebdo murderers also attacked a kosher market. They can attack multiple of targets for a variety of reasons. Watching you proud BDS people trying to deny the perpetrators of violence within your community is absolutely breathtaking.

Who exactly are you speaking to when saying 'you proud BDS people'?

To be honest I have no idea what you're on about as I have no knowledge of any links between the BDS movement and Islamic terrorists.

You, however, seem to be quite fixated on them, which is interesting

I am not one who thinks criticism of Israel is anti-semetic but I do believe BDS is infected by anti-semitism. What that means is within the movement there is a hate that festers. Incitement exists within this movement and the peaceful BDS dare not counter it. Throughout history anti-semitism that is not countered is eventually acted upon. The BDS cannot, will not and dare not tame the anti-semetic component of it's group and is therefore culpable.

I agree with this 100%

mickeyrat said:

bootlegger10 said:

eddiec said:

muskydan said:

HOLY CRAP!!!! Illinois just joined the ever growing number of states that are saying we don't want any Refugees place

rgambs said:

The Facebook reaction to this tragedy has been predictably classless, wholly uninformed, unintelligent, cowardly, and just plain stupid in most cases.
I'm starting to think Trump has a chance in this Idiocracy we live in.

You must have taken off your They Live Glasses for a minute to see the REAL world we are living in now and not fantasy Island many people seem to live on. I hope Tatoo is doing well....

These governors know they won't be able to legally stop it. They are just pandering to the small minded with elections on the horizon.

Tell that to the family and friends of those who died in Paris at the hands of someone who slipped back into France on the migrant trail. Call them "small minded" if they don't want to allow more refugees in. A Reuters poll indicated that 52% of Americans believe countries are less with refugees entering. There are real concerns here so don't belittle people who you disagree with when their concerns are at the least reasonable if not valid.

It is insane that someone sneaking in the country as a refugee murders innocent people and it is not appropriate to think that maybe we should re-look at the refugee policies.

Hmm, being reported(take that as you wish) that all were European.

That one of the bombers was a former bartender at a brussels area bar run by his brother which was shut down over the summer over allegations of drug dealing and active use on the premises.

That France has seen the greatest number of people leaving to join .


Consider the freedom of movement european citizens enjoy as part of the EU. That such unchecked movement makes for prime ground to operate in.

That this is about political ideology with elements of iterpretations of religious text. The politics of it are from long standing disagreement of foriegn policies of western nations and russia.

To deny our role and that of nations in the area is to ensure there will be more of this. The unmitigated arrogance of these world powers AND their citizens will no doubt perpetuate conflicts and strife with the people just trying to live their lives bearing the brunt of the consequences.

One of the individuals (based on fingerprints) came through Greece as part of a wave of Refugees. They proved it based on fingerprints (passport was fake but not the travel through Greece).

We need to know more about these nationals? Were they sons of immigrants? Did they have trouble assimilating that caused them to radicalize? Is bringing in 5 million immigrants just going to create more issues for Europe on their soil if assimilation doesn't work?

My point at the beginning of this thread before we even knew one of the bombers snuck in through the migrant trail was what is going to happen if (a) there are terrorists sneaking in and (b) if these refugees do not want to assimilate or the next generation is disenfranchised. We have already seen riots in France and Sweden in the past. It is not just about terrorism but also about country unity and being able to assimilate 5 million immigrants. With that, then is it better to spend our resources battling in Syria rather than in the homeland?

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/16/3722838/all-paris-attackers-identified-so-far-are-european-nationals-according-to-top-eu-official/

Yeah, that passport was a fake

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paris-stadium-attacker-entered-europe-via-greece-1447698583

That is why maybe we should figure out who these people were before we jump to conclusions and lay blame......on that note, I'm still waiting for the evidence of the BDS movement's involvement.

The passport was a fake but the fingerprints are real. This means the terrorist passed through greece on a fake syrian passport. This shows that if the authorities can't spot a fake passport they can't verify who is an actual refugee. How can you admit refugees when the verification system clearly does not work?

As far as BDS...They finger the target while those committed to violence takes those targets down.

Please keep defending them and the murder they incite.

Ya BDS incites murder. Ok. You are shameless.
Meanwhile the Israeli education minister brags about killing Palestinians....the justice minister openly calls for Palestinian genocide. you reach and speculate and draw imaginary lines to demonize peaceful protest and resistance by Palestinians, yet don't seem to cast any blame on people like Bennett and shaked, and their ever growing support among Israelis.
Fine by me, I enjoy knowing that BDS makes you nervous enough to go to these extremist lengths.

bootlegger10 said:

mickeyrat said:

bootlegger10 said:

eddiec said:

muskydan said:

HOLY CRAP!!!! Illinois just joined the ever growing number of states that are saying we don't want any Refugees place

rgambs said:

The Facebook reaction to this tragedy has been predictably classless, wholly uninformed, unintelligent, cowardly, and just plain stupid in most cases.
I'm starting to think Trump has a chance in this Idiocracy we live in.

You must have taken off your They Live Glasses for a minute to see the REAL world we are living in now and not fantasy Island many people seem to live on. I hope Tatoo is doing well....

These governors know they won't be able to legally stop it. They are just pandering to the small minded with elections on the horizon.

Tell that to the family and friends of those who died in Paris at the hands of someone who slipped back into France on the migrant trail. Call them "small minded" if they don't want to allow more refugees in. A Reuters poll indicated that 52% of Americans believe countries are less with refugees entering. There are real concerns here so don't belittle people who you disagree with when their concerns are at the least reasonable if not valid.

It is insane that someone sneaking in the country as a refugee murders innocent people and it is not appropriate to think that maybe we should re-look at the refugee policies.

Hmm, being reported(take that as you wish) that all were European.

That one of the bombers was a former bartender at a brussels area bar run by his brother which was shut down over the summer over allegations of drug dealing and active use on the premises.

That France has seen the greatest number of people leaving to join .


Consider the freedom of movement european citizens enjoy as part of the EU. That such unchecked movement makes for prime ground to operate in.

That this is about political ideology with elements of iterpretations of religious text. The politics of it are from long standing disagreement of foriegn policies of western nations and russia.

To deny our role and that of nations in the area is to ensure there will be more of this. The unmitigated arrogance of these world powers AND their citizens will no doubt perpetuate conflicts and strife with the people just trying to live their lives bearing the brunt of the consequences.

One of the individuals (based on fingerprints) came through Greece as part of a wave of Refugees. They proved it based on fingerprints (passport was fake but not the travel through Greece).

We need to know more about these nationals? Were they sons of immigrants? Did they have trouble assimilating that caused them to radicalize? Is bringing in 5 million immigrants just going to create more issues for Europe on their soil if assimilation doesn't work?

My point at the beginning of this thread before we even knew one of the bombers snuck in through the migrant trail was what is going to happen if (a) there are terrorists sneaking in and (b) if these refugees do not want to assimilate or the next generation is disenfranchised. We have already seen riots in France and Sweden in the past. It is not just about terrorism but also about country unity and being able to assimilate 5 million immigrants. With that, then is it better to spend our resources battling in Syria rather than in the homeland?

There is the possibility that the finger print terrorist was a European fighting in Syria and used the fake passport to get back into Europe. That's all speculation by me. I know that doesn't address the failure of screening for him to get back in, but I'm not willing to condemn hundreds of thousands of people because of a mistake. Mistakes will always happen. I'm willing to take that risk, you probably are not....that is where we disagree.

These are all fair questions you have asked. Most if not all have been addressed in the discussion on the refugee threads. It really is too bad the first thread was closed.

mickeyrat said:

bootlegger10 said:

mickeyrat said:

bootlegger10 said:

eddiec said:

muskydan said:

HOLY CRAP!!!! Illinois just joined the ever growing number of states that are saying we don't want any Refugees place

rgambs said:

The Facebook reaction to this tragedy has been predictably classless, wholly uninformed, unintelligent, cowardly, and just plain stupid in most cases.
I'm starting to think Trump has a chance in this Idiocracy we live in.

You must have taken off your They Live Glasses for a minute to see the REAL world we are living in now and not fantasy Island many people seem to live on. I hope Tatoo is doing well....

These governors know they won't be able to legally stop it. They are just pandering to the small minded with elections on the horizon.

Tell that to the family and friends of those who died in Paris at the hands of someone who slipped back into France on the migrant trail. Call them "small minded" if they don't want to allow more refugees in. A Reuters poll indicated that 52% of Americans believe countries are less with refugees entering. There are real concerns here so don't belittle people who you disagree with when their concerns are at the least reasonable if not valid.

It is insane that someone sneaking in the country as a refugee murders innocent people and it is not appropriate to think that maybe we should re-look at the refugee policies.

Hmm, being reported(take that as you wish) that all were European.

That one of the bombers was a former bartender at a brussels area bar run by his brother which was shut down over the summer over allegations of drug dealing and active use on the premises.

That France has seen the greatest number of people leaving to join .


Consider the freedom of movement european citizens enjoy as part of the EU. That such unchecked movement makes for prime ground to operate in.

That this is about political ideology with elements of iterpretations of religious text. The politics of it are from long standing disagreement of foriegn policies of western nations and russia.

To deny our role and that of nations in the area is to ensure there will be more of this. The unmitigated arrogance of these world powers AND their citizens will no doubt perpetuate conflicts and strife with the people just trying to live their lives bearing the brunt of the consequences.

One of the individuals (based on fingerprints) came through Greece as part of a wave of Refugees. They proved it based on fingerprints (passport was fake but not the travel through Greece).

We need to know more about these nationals? Were they sons of immigrants? Did they have trouble assimilating that caused them to radicalize? Is bringing in 5 million immigrants just going to create more issues for Europe on their soil if assimilation doesn't work?

My point at the beginning of this thread before we even knew one of the bombers snuck in through the migrant trail was what is going to happen if (a) there are terrorists sneaking in and (b) if these refugees do not want to assimilate or the next generation is disenfranchised. We have already seen riots in France and Sweden in the past. It is not just about terrorism but also about country unity and being able to assimilate 5 million immigrants. With that, then is it better to spend our resources battling in Syria rather than in the homeland?

So as far as US taking them in, lets research the process for gaining refugee status thats in place. Because all this talk thus far suggests they just get on a plane or boat and just show as happened so long ago with italians influx, the irish, and most recently the cubans in the sixties and the 80s.

Heres a start....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act


And here....

http://m.state.gov/mc48360.htm

josevolution said:

From what I understood the US is taking in less than 10k refugees most of them have been in camps for months most of them are women & children most of them have been thru a stringent screening process it's not the same as what's happening over in Europe wher they are landing at their shores .....

Exactly, they aren't arriving in a boat to the US seeking asylum. The situation is completely different. It is the most stringent screening process the US has ever had. In an article I just read:
'If at one time they sold Falafel to a Jihadist they aren't getting in.'

...is is has been contained....no need for refugee/reinforcements...head on back...

The level of hysteria being stirred up for personal gain is shameful...more than shameful. I can't call names though. Keeping a calm head when things around us are so bad is one of the best things we can do.