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Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.

Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.

And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?

It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior.
A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid.
Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.


Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.

No.

It doesn't perfectly illustrate what you think you do. It's a really weak effort actually and- as I knew what you were trying to do- this is why I said 'not even close'. Because it's not. It's not even remotely close.

I'm not even going to waste my time detailing why because you already know why... unless you actually don't which would make you middle of the pack with regards to intelligence (I tend to give you a bit more credit than that).

Whatever you say, twist it up brother.

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.

Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.

And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?

It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior.
A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid.
Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.


Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.

No.

It doesn't perfectly illustrate what you think you do. It's a really weak effort actually and- as I knew what you were trying to do- this is why I said 'not even close'. Because it's not. It's not even remotely close.

I'm not even going to waste my time detailing why because you already know why... unless you actually don't which would make you middle of the pack with regards to intelligence (I tend to give you a bit more credit than that).

Whatever you say, twist it up brother.

You're not seriously suggesting this old woman provoked the fat guy into shoving her to the ground by exercising school sanctioned classroom management?

You're saying there is a parallel there with some idiot breaking a school rule, becoming disobedient, ignoring school officials when directed, and ignoring a cop that led to some rough treatment?

Exactly what logic have I presented that is as nonsensical as this? Don't make some vague reference to something you think I might have said- be specific so we don't have to drag this bit of goofiness out. You might not have anything better to do, but I do.

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.

Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.

And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?

It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior.
A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid.
Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.


Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.

No.

It doesn't perfectly illustrate what you think you do. It's a really weak effort actually and- as I knew what you were trying to do- this is why I said 'not even close'. Because it's not. It's not even remotely close.

I'm not even going to waste my time detailing why because you already know why... unless you actually don't which would make you middle of the pack with regards to intelligence (I tend to give you a bit more credit than that).

Whatever you say, twist it up brother.

You're not seriously suggesting this old woman provoked the fat guy into shoving her to the ground by exercising school sanctioned classroom management?

You're saying there is a parallel there with some idiot breaking a school rule, becoming disobedient, ignoring school officials when directed, and ignoring a cop that led to some rough treatment?

Exactly what logic have I presented that is as nonsensical as this? Don't make some vague reference to something you think I might have said- be specific so we don't have to drag this bit of goofiness out. You might not have anything better to do, but I do.

All I am saying is that when people do something stupid you like to jump up on the personal responsibility stump, unless that person is an authority figure.

So you are saying this woman did something stupid?

I didn't think so. From what I saw... she was teaching... tried to manage a component of the class... tried to walk by the big fat ass after 'managing him'... when she tried he blocked her and she stopped trying o as not to get physical... and then was shoved to the ground.

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.

Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.

And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?

It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior.
A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid.
Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.


Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.

No.

It doesn't perfectly illustrate what you think you do. It's a really weak effort actually and- as I knew what you were trying to do- this is why I said 'not even close'. Because it's not. It's not even remotely close.

I'm not even going to waste my time detailing why because you already know why... unless you actually don't which would make you middle of the pack with regards to intelligence (I tend to give you a bit more credit than that).

Whatever you say, twist it up brother.

You're not seriously suggesting this old woman provoked the fat guy into shoving her to the ground by exercising school sanctioned classroom management?

You're saying there is a parallel there with some idiot breaking a school rule, becoming disobedient, ignoring school officials when directed, and ignoring a cop that led to some rough treatment?

Exactly what logic have I presented that is as nonsensical as this? Don't make some vague reference to something you think I might have said- be specific so we don't have to drag this bit of goofiness out. You might not have anything better to do, but I do.

All I am saying is that when people do something stupid you like to jump up on the personal responsibility stump, unless that person is an authority figure.

So you are saying this woman did something stupid?

I didn't think so. From what I saw... she was teaching... tried to manage a component of the class... tried to walk by the big fat ass after 'managing him'... when she tried he blocked her and she stopped trying o as not to get physical... and then was shoved to the ground.

She entered his personal space twice, 3 strikes and she was out.
No excuse for his behavior, but yes it was a stupid thing to do on her part, with a predictable outcome.
Would you try to push past someone twice your size who was shoving you? Would you recommend it for your loved ones?
It doesn't matter, we are wasting breath on this.

There's a remote argument in there.

But circumstances are quite different considering she hasn't done anything wrong to warrant the physical attention.

If you've just held a class hostage with your general obnoxiousness or ambled down the middle of a street fresh after roughing up a store owner and stealing from him... the attention you receive has been brought about through your misdoings.

There's a difference between these cases when speaking to personal responsibility. At least in my mind.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

The substitute teacher already was on uneven territory.
Animals took advantage.
No one to help.

I feel terrible for her.

brianlux said:

Well, this thread surpassed a single page. Imagine that!

Subbing middle and high school... I'd rather take my chances in a lions den.

Hahahaha. I made a bad wager.

Tough one though: lion's den or subbing middle and high school.

Really tough.

chadwick said:

hopefully the big goofy bully gets his ass handed to him in the very near future

yea hopefully he doesn't end up shoving some poor self employed store owner and stealing cigarellos then walk in the middle of the street and refuse to move out of the way when a cop asks him too. #teacherslivesmatters

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

brianlux said:

Well, this thread surpassed a single page. Imagine that!

Subbing middle and high school... I'd rather take my chances in a lions den.

Hahahaha. I made a bad wager.

Tough one though: lion's den or subbing middle and high school.

Really tough.

True. The big difference is the lions don't mess with your head and you always know where they're coming from.

As I pointed out in my first post however, I still blame the system, the culture and the parents. The kids are a product of their upbringing.

I think there is a lesson to be learned in this, namely that humans are fell beasts with corrupted hearts and they should not be trusted lightly or taken for granted. Being old, an authority figure, a woman, a child, or being right won't save you, you have to keep your head on a swivel and watch out for scum like this.