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  • Now, now
    don't be posting that stuff with all the fuck the police guys around here.
  • Brutal.

    This thread won't even last a page.

    Nobody cares about a 66 year old woman trying to maintain discipline in the substitute teacher capacity and getting shoved to the ground for her efforts from a 300+ lb piece of shit.

    Many here would contend that the kid has many reasons to try and get back his phone and that old lady was in the wrong (of course they'll become indignant pointing this out).

    * If there was a shred of decency in that classroom... someone jumped to the defence of that woman and beat the shit out of fatty. I hope it wasn't just laughter and videos. Call me an old f**k... but that shit simply wouldn't fly in my day. It really wouldn't.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    "Black Student Beats Up White Teacher".

    What's up with that headline? Seriously? Give me a break. Over a period of 4 years I subbed in two different state in every grade K-12 (though mostly 7 to 12) in school districts varying in wealth from rich to middle income to poor districts, in classes that ranged from almost all white to almost all non-white. Like most subs, I was routinely and widely abused but rarely as the result of a race issue. The abuse came from certain kids who either hated adults, hated change, hated their own teachers but knew they couldn't do much about it, hated their parents, hated their churches and definitely hated their schools. These kids came in every color and I took shit from every color.* I didn't like it, I don't approve of it, but I understand why it happens.

    I'm sure sometimes race is the issue but in moist cases, it's about the system, the culture and the families. When those are messed up, the kids are messed up and somebody is going to take the fall- either some kid on the playground who is weaker or a sub. And often times the abusive kid takes the fall when his or her life goes to hell. We would do well to focus on the system and the culture and the families from where the problems stem. The kids are a product of all that.

    *And I met and got to know some really cool and wonderful kids.
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    They won't release his name because he is a minor, but I found it. His name is Giant DoucheBag
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,546
    The kid is an asshole and should be thrown out of school but this incident has nothing to do with the other that cop was wrong is still wrong and will always be wrong ....
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    brianlux said:

    "Black Student Beats Up White Teacher".

    What's up with that headline? Seriously? Give me a break. Over a period of 4 years I subbed in two different state in every grade K-12 (though mostly 7 to 12) in school districts varying in wealth from rich to middle income to poor districts, in classes that ranged from almost all white to almost all non-white. Like most subs, I was routinely and widely abused but rarely as the result of a race issue. The abuse came from certain kids who either hated adults, hated change, hated their own teachers but knew they couldn't do much about it, hated their parents, hated their churches and definitely hated their schools. These kids came in every color and I took shit from every color.* I didn't like it, I don't approve of it, but I understand why it happens.

    I'm sure sometimes race is the issue but in moist cases, it's about the system, the culture and the families. When those are messed up, the kids are messed up and somebody is going to take the fall- either some kid on the playground who is weaker or a sub. And often times the abusive kid takes the fall when his or her life goes to hell. We would do well to focus on the system and the culture and the families from where the problems stem. The kids are a product of all that.

    *And I met and got to know some really cool and wonderful kids.

    mainstream media needs the headlines and attention that keep the money flowing in, it would have been even better if the kid was white and the teacher was black, then it would be a hate crime and the media could have covered the riots.

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
    I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

    He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.
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  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,881
    What's the point?
    You really think this is where the classroom is heading?
    Or are you just defending the cop who lost his cool?
  • rgambs said:

    Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
    I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

    He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.

    Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.

    And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    There's shit humans of all skin colors.

    If this video reinforces your beliefs that blacks are bad you are insecure.

    This story in no way relates to student being slammed by sitting in her desk.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited October 2015

    Now, now
    don't be posting that stuff with all the fuck the police guys around here.

    How does your post relate to this story? Please expound on your statement.
    Post edited by callen on
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  • Wait a minute, nobody called him a "thug?" Progress.
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  • muskydan said:

    https://youtu.be/A1tyugy2Z60

    Expect a lot more of this savage behavior by America's misunderstood youth. Who you gonna call??

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  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013
    eddiec said:

    What's the point?
    You really think this is where the classroom is heading?
    Or are you just defending the cop who lost his cool?

    Guess you didn't read the bottom... The point is expect more of this kind of savage behavior in the classroom since police are getting fired immediately for engaging, or in other words doing their job. Don't forget in that SC incident that future rocket scientist took a swing at the officer first after repeated attempts verbally to get up. The book has changed and any teacher, security agent, principle, and especially police have to be out of their minds to do anything ever again when it come to preserving order. So many of you may think that is a good thing, well...we will see about that.
  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013

    muskydan said:

    https://youtu.be/A1tyugy2Z60

    Expect a lot more of this savage behavior by America's misunderstood youth. Who you gonna call??

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  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859

    The kid is an asshole and should be thrown out of school but this incident has nothing to do with the other that cop was wrong is still wrong and will always be wrong ....

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    I would like to know if the student's parents were called before the police. I understand that not every student has parents and not every parent is available to be reached during school hours. But I would like to know if an attempt was made. I do hope this kid gets disciplinary action taken against him, he needs to be in a 600 school or at least speaking with a counsellor.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    muskydan said:

    eddiec said:

    What's the point?
    You really think this is where the classroom is heading?
    Or are you just defending the cop who lost his cool?

    Guess you didn't read the bottom... The point is expect more of this kind of savage behavior in the classroom since police are getting fired immediately for engaging, or in other words doing their job. Don't forget in that SC incident that future rocket scientist took a swing at the officer first after repeated attempts verbally to get up. The book has changed and any teacher, security agent, principle, and especially police have to be out of their minds to do anything ever again when it come to preserving order. So many of you may think that is a good thing, well...we will see about that.
    The rocket Scientist had a right not to be assaulted by another human. So not smart bit understand her reaction.

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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    edited October 2015
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
    I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

    He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.

    Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.

    And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?
    It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior.
    A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid.
    Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.


    Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.
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  • rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
    I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

    He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.

    Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.

    And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?
    It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior.
    A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid.
    Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.


    Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.
    No.

    It doesn't perfectly illustrate what you think you do. It's a really weak effort actually and- as I knew what you were trying to do- this is why I said 'not even close'. Because it's not. It's not even remotely close.

    I'm not even going to waste my time detailing why because you already know why... unless you actually don't which would make you middle of the pack with regards to intelligence (I tend to give you a bit more credit than that).
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
    I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

    He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.

    Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.

    And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?
    It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior.
    A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid.
    Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.


    Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.
    No.

    It doesn't perfectly illustrate what you think you do. It's a really weak effort actually and- as I knew what you were trying to do- this is why I said 'not even close'. Because it's not. It's not even remotely close.

    I'm not even going to waste my time detailing why because you already know why... unless you actually don't which would make you middle of the pack with regards to intelligence (I tend to give you a bit more credit than that).
    Whatever you say, twist it up brother.
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  • callen said:

    Now, now
    don't be posting that stuff with all the fuck the police guys around here.

    How does your post relate to this story? Please expound on your statement.
    Because this is the type of shit people have to deal with and they are tired of it.
    So they call the police. This is great demonstration why cops feel the need to nip it in the bud.
    Beast of a kid or not this shit has to stop.
    And to people that think the teacher in any way, shape or form was out of line need to get some rest.
    Kids are unpredictable.
    Cops get called when people don't know what may happen next.
    Cops are a human machine. We all know what they are capable of when on scene.

  • rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
    I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

    He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.

    Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.

    And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?
    It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior.
    A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid.
    Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.


    Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.
    No.

    It doesn't perfectly illustrate what you think you do. It's a really weak effort actually and- as I knew what you were trying to do- this is why I said 'not even close'. Because it's not. It's not even remotely close.

    I'm not even going to waste my time detailing why because you already know why... unless you actually don't which would make you middle of the pack with regards to intelligence (I tend to give you a bit more credit than that).
    Whatever you say, twist it up brother.
    You're not seriously suggesting this old woman provoked the fat guy into shoving her to the ground by exercising school sanctioned classroom management?

    You're saying there is a parallel there with some idiot breaking a school rule, becoming disobedient, ignoring school officials when directed, and ignoring a cop that led to some rough treatment?

    Exactly what logic have I presented that is as nonsensical as this? Don't make some vague reference to something you think I might have said- be specific so we don't have to drag this bit of goofiness out. You might not have anything better to do, but I do.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
    I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

    He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.

    Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.

    And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?
    It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior.
    A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid.
    Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.


    Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.
    No.

    It doesn't perfectly illustrate what you think you do. It's a really weak effort actually and- as I knew what you were trying to do- this is why I said 'not even close'. Because it's not. It's not even remotely close.

    I'm not even going to waste my time detailing why because you already know why... unless you actually don't which would make you middle of the pack with regards to intelligence (I tend to give you a bit more credit than that).
    Whatever you say, twist it up brother.
    You're not seriously suggesting this old woman provoked the fat guy into shoving her to the ground by exercising school sanctioned classroom management?

    You're saying there is a parallel there with some idiot breaking a school rule, becoming disobedient, ignoring school officials when directed, and ignoring a cop that led to some rough treatment?

    Exactly what logic have I presented that is as nonsensical as this? Don't make some vague reference to something you think I might have said- be specific so we don't have to drag this bit of goofiness out. You might not have anything better to do, but I do.
    All I am saying is that when people do something stupid you like to jump up on the personal responsibility stump, unless that person is an authority figure.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
    I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

    He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.

    Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.

    And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?
    It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior.
    A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid.
    Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.


    Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.
    No.

    It doesn't perfectly illustrate what you think you do. It's a really weak effort actually and- as I knew what you were trying to do- this is why I said 'not even close'. Because it's not. It's not even remotely close.

    I'm not even going to waste my time detailing why because you already know why... unless you actually don't which would make you middle of the pack with regards to intelligence (I tend to give you a bit more credit than that).
    Whatever you say, twist it up brother.
    You're not seriously suggesting this old woman provoked the fat guy into shoving her to the ground by exercising school sanctioned classroom management?

    You're saying there is a parallel there with some idiot breaking a school rule, becoming disobedient, ignoring school officials when directed, and ignoring a cop that led to some rough treatment?

    Exactly what logic have I presented that is as nonsensical as this? Don't make some vague reference to something you think I might have said- be specific so we don't have to drag this bit of goofiness out. You might not have anything better to do, but I do.
    All I am saying is that when people do something stupid you like to jump up on the personal responsibility stump, unless that person is an authority figure.
    So you are saying this woman did something stupid?

    I didn't think so. From what I saw... she was teaching... tried to manage a component of the class... tried to walk by the big fat ass after 'managing him'... when she tried he blocked her and she stopped trying o as not to get physical... and then was shoved to the ground.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
    I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

    He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.

    Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.

    And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?
    It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior.
    A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid.
    Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.


    Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.
    No.

    It doesn't perfectly illustrate what you think you do. It's a really weak effort actually and- as I knew what you were trying to do- this is why I said 'not even close'. Because it's not. It's not even remotely close.

    I'm not even going to waste my time detailing why because you already know why... unless you actually don't which would make you middle of the pack with regards to intelligence (I tend to give you a bit more credit than that).
    Whatever you say, twist it up brother.
    You're not seriously suggesting this old woman provoked the fat guy into shoving her to the ground by exercising school sanctioned classroom management?

    You're saying there is a parallel there with some idiot breaking a school rule, becoming disobedient, ignoring school officials when directed, and ignoring a cop that led to some rough treatment?

    Exactly what logic have I presented that is as nonsensical as this? Don't make some vague reference to something you think I might have said- be specific so we don't have to drag this bit of goofiness out. You might not have anything better to do, but I do.
    All I am saying is that when people do something stupid you like to jump up on the personal responsibility stump, unless that person is an authority figure.
    So you are saying this woman did something stupid?

    I didn't think so. From what I saw... she was teaching... tried to manage a component of the class... tried to walk by the big fat ass after 'managing him'... when she tried he blocked her and she stopped trying o as not to get physical... and then was shoved to the ground.
    She entered his personal space twice, 3 strikes and she was out.
    No excuse for his behavior, but yes it was a stupid thing to do on her part, with a predictable outcome.
    Would you try to push past someone twice your size who was shoving you? Would you recommend it for your loved ones?
    It doesn't matter, we are wasting breath on this.
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  • rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass?
    I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?

    He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.

    Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.

    And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?
    It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior.
    A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid.
    Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.


    Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.
    No.

    It doesn't perfectly illustrate what you think you do. It's a really weak effort actually and- as I knew what you were trying to do- this is why I said 'not even close'. Because it's not. It's not even remotely close.

    I'm not even going to waste my time detailing why because you already know why... unless you actually don't which would make you middle of the pack with regards to intelligence (I tend to give you a bit more credit than that).
    Whatever you say, twist it up brother.
    You're not seriously suggesting this old woman provoked the fat guy into shoving her to the ground by exercising school sanctioned classroom management?

    You're saying there is a parallel there with some idiot breaking a school rule, becoming disobedient, ignoring school officials when directed, and ignoring a cop that led to some rough treatment?

    Exactly what logic have I presented that is as nonsensical as this? Don't make some vague reference to something you think I might have said- be specific so we don't have to drag this bit of goofiness out. You might not have anything better to do, but I do.
    All I am saying is that when people do something stupid you like to jump up on the personal responsibility stump, unless that person is an authority figure.
    So you are saying this woman did something stupid?

    I didn't think so. From what I saw... she was teaching... tried to manage a component of the class... tried to walk by the big fat ass after 'managing him'... when she tried he blocked her and she stopped trying o as not to get physical... and then was shoved to the ground.
    She entered his personal space twice, 3 strikes and she was out.
    No excuse for his behavior, but yes it was a stupid thing to do on her part, with a predictable outcome.
    Would you try to push past someone twice your size who was shoving you? Would you recommend it for your loved ones?
    It doesn't matter, we are wasting breath on this.
    There's a remote argument in there.

    But circumstances are quite different considering she hasn't done anything wrong to warrant the physical attention.

    If you've just held a class hostage with your general obnoxiousness or ambled down the middle of a street fresh after roughing up a store owner and stealing from him... the attention you receive has been brought about through your misdoings.

    There's a difference between these cases when speaking to personal responsibility. At least in my mind.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • The substitute teacher already was on uneven territory.
    Animals took advantage.
    No one to help.
  • The substitute teacher already was on uneven territory.
    Animals took advantage.
    No one to help.

    I feel terrible for her.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
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