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mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Phones actually offer students a device that can assist learning- one being a personal device that can access internet. There are numerous apps that are school appropriate as well.

There's been a shift in the delivery of content material and how students can demonstrate meeting the learning objectives.

Well aware of laptops in the classroom. Have yet to hear about phones being the primary internet access device for schoolwork.

You obviously haven't been in the public school system lately.

Nope. 30 yrs since I last set foot in a school. Doesnt matter though. This school seemed to allow laptops for learning. To the point of the teacher requesting the phone be put away . So it seems like phones aren't to be used for learning there.

Not all kids have laptops.

I'm not advocating for anything at all. I'm saying there are teachers out there that take advantage of kids and their ability to access internet with their phones that make them useful.

Obviously, something happened in this case. Whatever happened though... an old woman did not need to be shoved to the ground.

brianlux

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Phones actually offer students a device that can assist learning- one being a personal device that can access internet. There are numerous apps that are school appropriate as well.

There's been a shift in the delivery of content material and how students can demonstrate meeting the learning objectives.

Sorry, Thirty, but I can't help but laugh. I just can't picture the average student saying, "Oh yeah, this is a learning device."

I honestly don't see how cell phones, i-phones, computers or any such device is help kids get smarter. Sure they allow access to more information. Sure, they help spread idea and news (remembering Lou Reed's warning, "Don't believe half of what you see and none of what you hear"). But do they really help kids learn cognitive thinking or healthy skepticism? Do they help them learn how to do research is Wikipedia the new "research" standard?

In fact, I think they are helping drive down intelligence and tactile skills. Too many kids don't even know how to do simple math without a device or write in cursive.

No, to me that's like saying, "I'm a better guitar player because I have Seymour Duncans and an Ibanez Tube Screamer".

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brianlux said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Phones actually offer students a device that can assist learning- one being a personal device that can access internet. There are numerous apps that are school appropriate as well.

There's been a shift in the delivery of content material and how students can demonstrate meeting the learning objectives.

Sorry, Thirty, but I can't help but laugh. I just can't picture the average student saying, "Oh yeah, this is a learning device."

I honestly don't see how cell phones, i-phones, computers or any such device is help kids get smarter. Sure they allow access to more information. Sure, they help spread idea and news (remembering Lou Reed's warning, "Don't believe half of what you see and none of what you hear"). But do they really help kids learn cognitive thinking or healthy skepticism? Do they help them learn how to do research is Wikipedia the new "research" standard?

In fact, I think they are helping drive down intelligence and tactile skills. Too many kids don't even know how to do simple math without a device or write in cursive.

No, to me that's like saying, "I'm a better guitar player because I have Seymour Duncans and an Ibanez Tube Screamer".

This is doing nothing other than discrediting current educational practices- unfounded at that.

Kids are way more intelligent than we were. The things they are doing as they prepare for a changing world are amazing. They're not getting dumber as a result of accessing information. They're getting very very intelligent.

I'd agree with you on the cursive writing observation, but how important is exceptionally neat writing in this day and age? Legible of course, but everything now is digital.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Doctors have been scribing illegible writing forever.
When employees pass a document over to you with writing on it that is in great contrast to their "computer literacy skills" gives insight into what society is losing.

ldent42

I've used my cellphone in class several times to bring up PDFs when my tablet battery died or wasn't with me. Also used it to bring up referenced material (hyperlinks on a syllabus is a common thing now) - and that's just since this semester started in August. This is undergrad though not high school. Can't speak to how it works in high schools.

brianlux

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

brianlux said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Phones actually offer students a device that can assist learning- one being a personal device that can access internet. There are numerous apps that are school appropriate as well.

There's been a shift in the delivery of content material and how students can demonstrate meeting the learning objectives.

Sorry, Thirty, but I can't help but laugh. I just can't picture the average student saying, "Oh yeah, this is a learning device."

I honestly don't see how cell phones, i-phones, computers or any such device is help kids get smarter. Sure they allow access to more information. Sure, they help spread idea and news (remembering Lou Reed's warning, "Don't believe half of what you see and none of what you hear"). But do they really help kids learn cognitive thinking or healthy skepticism? Do they help them learn how to do research is Wikipedia the new "research" standard?

In fact, I think they are helping drive down intelligence and tactile skills. Too many kids don't even know how to do simple math without a device or write in cursive.

No, to me that's like saying, "I'm a better guitar player because I have Seymour Duncans and an Ibanez Tube Screamer".

This is doing nothing other than discrediting current educational practices- unfounded at that.

Kids are way more intelligent than we were. The things they are doing as they prepare for a changing world are amazing. They're not getting dumber as a result of accessing information. They're getting very very intelligent.

I'd agree with you on the cursive writing observation, but how important is exceptionally neat writing in this day and age? Legible of course, but everything now is digital.

I'm envious of wherever it is you live where kids are more intelligent today. I don't mean to disparage kids but at least here in America, the dumbing-down is real.

As for cursive, yeah, I think it counts for something. When I worked at our local college not so many years ago and read exam papers I noticed the younger students papers were much more difficult to read. Many of them couldn't even print clearly- and they weren't training to become doctors, LOL. Not everything is or will remain digital. At least not until humans became digital and that day very well may come.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Brian...

I can only speak for what I witness in our schools: the future of our country is in good hands-on I've seen some outstanding kids that quite frankly are miles ahead of the best of my generation.

I'm not advocating for scribbling, but calligraphy doesn't trump intelligence. There are no papers or documents being exchanged in the world we've grown into. Handwriting has become more a personal thing than a necessity.

PJfanwillneverleave1

And the dumbing down of society has become evident when we can't communicate via written language.

hedonist

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

And the dumbing down of society has become evident when we can't communicate via written language.

We're doing that here, though. It happens all over - it's more the disregard of the beauty of language itself that makes me sad.

And knowing Thirty, it gives me hope that he has hope.

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
It's not so much that language is lost but the same token can say that a language has been lost.

brianlux

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Brian...

I can only speak for what I witness in our schools: the future of our country is in good hands-on I've seen some outstanding kids that quite frankly are miles ahead of the best of my generation.

I'm not advocating for scribbling, but calligraphy doesn't trump intelligence. There are no papers or documents being exchanged in the world we've grown into. Handwriting has become more a personal thing than a necessity.

I like your positive outlook for the future, Thirty, and sincerely hope for that.

muskydan

This one really is going to piss some people off….. I was hoping this was the short bus class, but it is simply what is happening in some classrooms throughout the country….expect a lot more of this shocking behavior.

https://youtu.be/O_NOkyI10X4

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muskydan said:

This one really is going to piss some people off….. I was hoping this was the short bus class, but it is simply what is happening in some classrooms throughout the country….expect a lot more of this shocking behavior.

https://youtu.be/O_NOkyI10X4

What was this video? I almost want to think it is fake it is so outrageous. If it is legitimate... there's a few in there that are going to hurt somebody in the future.

Red shirt is a bona fide living embodiment of the term 'loser'.

brianlux

muskydan said:

This one really is going to piss some people off….. I was hoping this was the short bus class, but it is simply what is happening in some classrooms throughout the country….expect a lot more of this shocking behavior.

https://youtu.be/O_NOkyI10X4

Is this an acting class or something? This is just to weird to be believable. It's like a really, really bad scene from one of those dumb unreality TV shows. This is simply not what is happening in most classrooms in America.

muskydan

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

muskydan said:

This one really is going to piss some people off….. I was hoping this was the short bus class, but it is simply what is happening in some classrooms throughout the country….expect a lot more of this shocking behavior.

https://youtu.be/O_NOkyI10X4

What was this video? I almost want to think it is fake it is so outrageous. If it is legitimate... there's a few in there that are going to hurt somebody in the future.

Red shirt is a bona fide living embodiment of the term 'loser'.

I thought the same thing for a minute that this has to be fake since it's so outrageous. Not sure where it's from but have seen this type of behavior in the Chicago Public schools . Schools are not the right way to describe these publicly funded facilities. It's more like baby sitting at a insane asylum .

ldent42

I don't see what the big deal is. That looks like detention. And the kids were just playing. No one got hurt. The bigger issues to me is why there wasn't a phone in the room to call security.

brianlux

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Brian...

I can only speak for what I witness in our schools: the future of our country is in good hands-on I've seen some outstanding kids that quite frankly are miles ahead of the best of my generation.

I'm not advocating for scribbling, but calligraphy doesn't trump intelligence. There are no papers or documents being exchanged in the world we've grown into. Handwriting has become more a personal thing than a necessity.

Another example I just thought of, Thirty-- what percentage of people (especially kids) behind a cash register can count back change? What made me think of this was reading a story on another where the guy bought gas, owed $21.49, gave the kid $22.00 and suddenly the electronic cash register went dead and the kid couldn't count back the change. And that's a simple one- I'm guessing you you know the amount without more than a second or two to figure it out.

What if the total due was $36.62 and the customer handed the kid two twenties, two singles, a dime and two pennies? Without an electronic device, can the kid make the proper change? (See the answer below- no cheating! )
















You hand the guy two quarters and say, "36.62 and 50 cents makes 37.12", (you hand him the five) "and five makes your $42.12. Thank you very much."

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ldent42 said:

I don't see what the big deal is. That looks like detention. And the kids were just playing. No one got hurt. The bigger issues to me is why there wasn't a phone in the room to call security.

You don't see what the big deal is?

You see behaviour like that and think... 'Meh'?

Come on, man.

rgambs

Do we need to start a good student thread?

tempo_n_groove

ldent42 said:

I don't see what the big deal is. That looks like detention. And the kids were just playing. No one got hurt. The bigger issues to me is why there wasn't a phone in the room to call security.

This is not ok and is very typical of inner city schools.
Parents have no control, teachers have no control, students don't care...
Then we go to the suburbs where the kids all feel entitled...

Before "devices" were brought in to classes I had a friend of mine ask if I've ever seen a report written in text speech? Sure enough the whole paper wuz writing like dis...