What about the issue I see in a lot of these African American videos where they sucker punch people, beat up old ladies, etc and people just film, watch , and 99% of the time dance around and yell worldstar....There are a lot of self absorbed punks out there or maybe they are just cowards...Seems like they enjoy it to me though.
The Knockout Game is a sweet game. Random people going to and fro work... getting drilled in the face and being filmed while getting drilled in the face.
I see shit like that and 12teen or 20... I want to beat the piss out of the punks participating. Absolutely freaking ridiculous.
Who shoves an old woman to the ground? What values have been instilled in you where you think its alright to shove a 66 year old woman to the ground while in a school no less?
I looked that kid that tried that on me straight in the eye and saw desperation, self loathing and total anger. Fucked up history, culture, parenting and system= fucked up kids.
I forgot about your involuntary participation in that game.
I do understand the process of neglect and how that tends to manifest itself. Some kids have no chance, but it doesn't make it any better for the victims when they express themselves as they do.
We can blame the parents, but in reality... they're products of their environment as well- just the fully ripened products.
love how these two words are thrown around this forum so flippantly.
these are the same words used to describe peaceful muslims and innocent palestinian children.
seems like these are the new way to describe someone as less than yourself.
carry on.
Speaking of 'flippant' (talking down to people expressing outrage for some pretty horrendous behaviours).
Those terms were actually used in this thread to describe kids with some excessively cruel behavioural traits. I suppose you would prefer more gentle terms? Can you offer a few to enlighten the cavemen?
i wasn't talking down to anybody. just making an observation.
and to answer your question, no.
i suggest we find a thesaurus.
Come on, man.
The tone of your post contradicts what you say here.
I agree that in some threads, those terms are not fairly applied. By all means, address them in those contexts. In this particular thread... the terms are far from being misplaced. At least from my perspective.
Yeah, but it's the same people in the other threads making the same comments here, they have a proven history. That gives it context.
Also, this happened over a year ago. Why wasn't it posted then?
I am curious to find out what happened after all of this. I googled and couldn't find anything. I'm willing to bet that a young black man was prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law....because, that's what seems to happen. Unless some here think that the judicial system took it easy on him.
Also, this happened over a year ago. Why wasn't it posted then?
I am curious to find out what happened after all of this. I googled and couldn't find anything. I'm willing to bet that a young black man was prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law....because, that's what seems to happen. Unless some here think that the judicial system took it easy on him.
Well if I'm that 66 year old woman... or one of this prick's other victims (we can assume there are others- a shithead doesn't choose an old lady for his first victim- that's a more graduated target)... I'd want him charged to the full extent of the law.
Are you saying that because he is black he should face lesser charges?
love how these two words are thrown around this forum so flippantly.
these are the same words used to describe peaceful muslims and innocent palestinian children.
seems like these are the new way to describe someone as less than yourself.
carry on.
Speaking of 'flippant' (talking down to people expressing outrage for some pretty horrendous behaviours).
Those terms were actually used in this thread to describe kids with some excessively cruel behavioural traits. I suppose you would prefer more gentle terms? Can you offer a few to enlighten the cavemen?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
love how these two words are thrown around this forum so flippantly.
these are the same words used to describe peaceful muslims and innocent palestinian children.
seems like these are the new way to describe someone as less than yourself.
carry on.
Speaking of 'flippant' (talking down to people expressing outrage for some pretty horrendous behaviours).
Those terms were actually used in this thread to describe kids with some excessively cruel behavioural traits. I suppose you would prefer more gentle terms? Can you offer a few to enlighten the cavemen?
Also, this happened over a year ago. Why wasn't it posted then?
I am curious to find out what happened after all of this. I googled and couldn't find anything. I'm willing to bet that a young black man was prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law....because, that's what seems to happen. Unless some here think that the judicial system took it easy on him.
What the heck does it matter if this happend a year ago???
I am willing to bet nothing happend to this pathetic oxygen thief and has continued in his barbaric ways. Atleast that's how it usually goes in my liberal town.
Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass? I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?
He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.
Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.
And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?
It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior. A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid. Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.
Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.
"That girl shouldn't have wore that short skirt. She was asking for it."
That's basically what you are saying. You are blaming the victim. Out of five sentences you blamed her actions in three and his actions (well, maybe not as strong as blame but you didn't "condone" the activity) in a half of one. I
i wonder if the teacher wasnt really nice or setting bad examples bc that could set off children too theirs always two sides to a story.....she could have been just horrible in general breaking teacher code and that causes irritation to principle
Also, this happened over a year ago. Why wasn't it posted then?
I am curious to find out what happened after all of this. I googled and couldn't find anything. I'm willing to bet that a young black man was prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law....because, that's what seems to happen. Unless some here think that the judicial system took it easy on him.
Well if I'm that 66 year old woman... or one of this prick's other victims (we can assume there are others- a shithead doesn't choose an old lady for his first victim- that's a more graduated target)... I'd want him charged to the full extent of the law.
Are you saying that because he is black he should face lesser charges?
I'm saying that I doubt he got off easy. If you look at any stats they will tell you that young black men are way more likely to be harshly punished than young white men. So why the outrage here? Unless anyone can come up with evidence that he got off with a slap on the wrist.
I got news for you guys, shitty kids have been doing shitty things for a long time. This is nothing new. OP is posting an old story to try and paint a community....and making broad generalizations about youth today. I guess to try and make a point that that 16 year old girl deserved what she got.
Weak shit, but I would expect nothing less from our resident cop.
Also, this happened over a year ago. Why wasn't it posted then?
I am curious to find out what happened after all of this. I googled and couldn't find anything. I'm willing to bet that a young black man was prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law....because, that's what seems to happen. Unless some here think that the judicial system took it easy on him.
What the heck does it matter if this happend a year ago???
I am willing to bet nothing happend to this pathetic oxygen thief and has continued in his barbaric ways. Atleast that's how it usually goes in my liberal town.
Of course you would think that. Why would you need evidence? When you can just go with your gut.
saw that some time ago. nasty little shits. disgusting to bad some 12 yr old on that bus didn't punch one (or all) of them in the mouth or jaw dropping that little prick like a bad habit. hit one bully who is w/ a group of bullies, the group shits their pants, each of them.
it happened to me more than once... smack one real good, the others turn into scared clowns. 3 vs' 1 isn't very good odds unless you can knock a dude's ass senseless. his friends are pathetic. happened in the showers at the ymca after swimming. happened after school helping a friend who was being beat on by kids a lot older than us - this time i got my ass smoked, a knee to the eye. a black eye i got. i thought i was the greatest thing since sliced bread. within a day or two i was ecstatic & had pictures taken within minutes of the fight & days later..... crying & eye swollen shut - to - smiles wearing black eye
check this - im new at this school. im in 3rd grade trying to eat my lunch in peace. this asshole says to me, "me & my friends are gonna beat your ass at recess. im thinkin to myself, yeah ok. on the playground this prick charges me. i side step his dumb ass & punch this little bastard right in the face. a teacher saw it all & turned away pretending to not see it all go down. the ring leaders little pals all pissed themselves & took off. you stupid shits got nothing
^^^^ The worst part is that being a youtube hit has consumed youth. And a paradigm shift has occurred between generations. Video killed the radio star.
i can not even tell you folks how much shit (trouble) i'd be in if i were one of those stupid shit kids from that video of the bus. i knew better let's put it that way
Wait, wait...where are the calls for her to take personal responsibility for her being a total dumbass? I thought everyone had to take responsibility when they do idiotic things that are likely to get them fucked up?
He is a piece of shit and I hope he gets his ass best for this despicable act.
Not even close with your tongue in cheek personal responsibility attempt. If a teacher performing classroom management is stepping out of bounds and being irresponsible... yikes.
And there you go again... wait a second (does double take)... err, yah I'm with you on your second comment. But I have to ask... if a cop came on the scene and, understanding what happened, handled fatty roughly... he's not one of the people that you'd encourage to 'beat his ass' right? Just people like you and me, right?
It was tongue in cheek, but it perfectly illustrates the way you twist your logic in order to discourage criticism of police behavior. A 66 year old female substitute teacher has no business getting physical with an unruly bastard of that size. When you belly up to someone twice and they push you back with increasing force, the third time you are just being plain stupid. Suddenly, doing something incredibly stupid (with a perfectly predictable result) doesn't merit a word about personal responsibility.
Of course I am not condoning or diminishing his actions, if someone sees that in my posts they are extremely myopic.
"That girl shouldn't have wore that short skirt. She was asking for it."
That's basically what you are saying. You are blaming the victim. Out of five sentences you blamed her actions in three and his actions (well, maybe not as strong as blame but you didn't "condone" the activity) in a half of one. I
Perhaps you don't understand the context, if you have been reading the posts in this thread, particularly the one you quoted, you should understand that I am playing devil's advocate in order to shine light on the problems with riding the personal responsibility bandwagon.
Also, entering a larger person's personal space and getting assaulted is not akin to dressing scantily, minding one's own business and getting sexually assaulted.
i can not even tell you folks how much shit (trouble) i'd be in if i were one of those stupid shit kids from that video of the bus. i knew better let's put it that way
i can not even tell you folks how much shit (trouble) i'd be in if i were one of those stupid shit kids from that video of the bus. i knew better let's put it that way
You must be a cop.
uh
no
as a kid, mom & dad would have whipped my ass for being a dickhead bully. i'd have been in trouble for not do something to help out that lady baby sitter riding on the bus w/ those lil pricks
i can not even tell you folks how much shit (trouble) i'd be in if i were one of those stupid shit kids from that video of the bus. i knew better let's put it that way
You must be a cop.
uh no as a kid, mom & dad would have whipped my ass for being a dickhead bully. i'd have been in trouble for not do something to help out that lady baby sitter riding on the bus w/ those lil pricks
The cop comment was a joke Back then it seemed we all knew better as we were always personal with each other. We had no choice. There were no cell phones, no cameras, etc. Now we live our lives on stage.
kids should be in a boxing club but most aren't, sure some are, but the majority are playin video games, texting & jerkin around being catered to. unreal
catered to
two of my nephews get their bedrooms cleaned by their (their mom's mother) grandmother. they're 16 & 14. holy crap, man.
What about the issue I see in a lot of these African American videos where they sucker punch people, beat up old ladies, etc and people just film, watch , and 99% of the time dance around and yell worldstar....There are a lot of self absorbed punks out there or maybe they are just cowards...Seems like they enjoy it to me though.
The Knockout Game is a sweet game. Random people going to and fro work... getting drilled in the face and being filmed while getting drilled in the face.
I see shit like that and 12teen or 20... I want to beat the piss out of the punks participating. Absolutely freaking ridiculous.
Who shoves an old woman to the ground? What values have been instilled in you where you think its alright to shove a 66 year old woman to the ground while in a school no less?
I looked that kid that tried that on me straight in the eye and saw desperation, self loathing and total anger. Fucked up history, culture, parenting and system= fucked up kids.
I forgot about your involuntary participation in that game.
I do understand the process of neglect and how that tends to manifest itself. Some kids have no chance, but it doesn't make it any better for the victims when they express themselves as they do.
We can blame the parents, but in reality... they're products of their environment as well- just the fully ripened products.
Right again, Thirty. And yes, these guys are old enough to be held responsible for their actions. I would support community service time, challenging/hardcore counseling and heavy duty probation for these guys.
I would tell the kid that hit me that I'm guessing factors beyond his control helped make him the punk he is and I get that, but its his choice to either break the cycle and become the decent kid he could be or end up dead or screwed in a heavy duty prison.
This kind of thing won't stop until several things happen like...
Think of all people as human beings and as gimme said, not animals and savages. Maybe they are messed up human beings but the hatred keeps the cycle going. I hate it that that kid hit me, I get angry/sad/bummed when I think about it and at first I probably would have said I hate the kid but now... no, I don't think so. It does no good to hate him. I'm actually sad about that kid.
We could do with some big changes to many school districts. Less like training institution, more like helping kids move forward.
Be aware of prejudice. Why does the heading of the video mention race when nothing in the article mentioned it being a racially motivated situation? Yep, you got that right.
Educate young adults about having kids. Fewer screwed up kids would result. Support Family Planning.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
What about the issue I see in a lot of these African American videos where they sucker punch people, beat up old ladies, etc and people just film, watch , and 99% of the time dance around and yell worldstar....There are a lot of self absorbed punks out there or maybe they are just cowards...Seems like they enjoy it to me though.
The Knockout Game is a sweet game. Random people going to and fro work... getting drilled in the face and being filmed while getting drilled in the face.
I see shit like that and 12teen or 20... I want to beat the piss out of the punks participating. Absolutely freaking ridiculous.
Who shoves an old woman to the ground? What values have been instilled in you where you think its alright to shove a 66 year old woman to the ground while in a school no less?
After reading through this thread I believe you were the only person that drew offense to a woman being manhandled.
I'm shocked that more people don't have a problem with this.
It's an elderly woman. Who does that to the elderly?
What about the issue I see in a lot of these African American videos where they sucker punch people, beat up old ladies, etc and people just film, watch , and 99% of the time dance around and yell worldstar....There are a lot of self absorbed punks out there or maybe they are just cowards...Seems like they enjoy it to me though.
The Knockout Game is a sweet game. Random people going to and fro work... getting drilled in the face and being filmed while getting drilled in the face.
I see shit like that and 12teen or 20... I want to beat the piss out of the punks participating. Absolutely freaking ridiculous.
Who shoves an old woman to the ground? What values have been instilled in you where you think its alright to shove a 66 year old woman to the ground while in a school no less?
After reading through this thread I believe you were the only person that drew offense to a woman being manhandled.
I'm shocked that more people don't have a problem with this.
It's an elderly woman. Who does that to the elderly?
I think the consensus is that it needn't be mentioned as you would be perverse to think otherwise.
What about the issue I see in a lot of these African American videos where they sucker punch people, beat up old ladies, etc and people just film, watch , and 99% of the time dance around and yell worldstar....There are a lot of self absorbed punks out there or maybe they are just cowards...Seems like they enjoy it to me though.
The Knockout Game is a sweet game. Random people going to and fro work... getting drilled in the face and being filmed while getting drilled in the face.
I see shit like that and 12teen or 20... I want to beat the piss out of the punks participating. Absolutely freaking ridiculous.
Who shoves an old woman to the ground? What values have been instilled in you where you think its alright to shove a 66 year old woman to the ground while in a school no less?
After reading through this thread I believe you were the only person that drew offense to a woman being manhandled.
I'm shocked that more people don't have a problem with this.
It's an elderly woman. Who does that to the elderly?
I think the consensus is that it needn't be mentioned as you would be perverse to think otherwise.
I think the degree to which someone might take offence could be called to question.
When you speak to motivations, optically, it presents a mindset that sympathizes with the offender to some capacity.
I gotta be honest. this has been happening to teachers for decades. remember sally jessie raphael? in the 80's she constantly had kids and their shitty parents on her show, sending them to boot camp and showing them crying and whining because they abused their teachers, their parents, their classmates.
I'm not saying it's not a problem, it's just not a NEW problem. now it's just all on video, and for some reason, people seeing it with their own eyes is what is causing the uproar.
I gotta be honest. this has been happening to teachers for decades. remember sally jessie raphael? in the 80's she constantly had kids and their shitty parents on her show, sending them to boot camp and showing them crying and whining because they abused their teachers, their parents, their classmates.
I'm not saying it's not a problem, it's just not a NEW problem. now it's just all on video, and for some reason, people seeing it with their own eyes is what is causing the uproar.
Exactly, Hugh. It really is an old problem.
I still get the impression the video was at least subconsciously intended to be racially biased.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Comments
I do understand the process of neglect and how that tends to manifest itself. Some kids have no chance, but it doesn't make it any better for the victims when they express themselves as they do.
We can blame the parents, but in reality... they're products of their environment as well- just the fully ripened products.
I am curious to find out what happened after all of this. I googled and couldn't find anything. I'm willing to bet that a young black man was prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law....because, that's what seems to happen. Unless some here think that the judicial system took it easy on him.
My goodness, how the gamuts run over, under, sideways, down.
But the title of this one has, each time, put Manson's This is the New Shit in my head.
Are you saying that because he is black he should face lesser charges?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I am willing to bet nothing happend to this pathetic oxygen thief and has continued in his barbaric ways. Atleast that's how it usually goes in my liberal town.
That's basically what you are saying. You are blaming the victim. Out of five sentences you blamed her actions in three and his actions (well, maybe not as strong as blame but you didn't "condone" the activity) in a half of one. I
theirs always two sides to a story.....she could have been just horrible in general breaking teacher code and that causes irritation to principle
I got news for you guys, shitty kids have been doing shitty things for a long time. This is nothing new. OP is posting an old story to try and paint a community....and making broad generalizations about youth today. I guess to try and make a point that that 16 year old girl deserved what she got.
Weak shit, but I would expect nothing less from our resident cop.
to bad some 12 yr old on that bus didn't punch one (or all) of them in the mouth or jaw dropping that little prick like a bad habit. hit one bully who is w/ a group of bullies, the group shits their pants, each of them.
it happened to me more than once... smack one real good, the others turn into scared clowns. 3 vs' 1 isn't very good odds unless you can knock a dude's ass senseless. his friends are pathetic. happened in the showers at the ymca after swimming. happened after school helping a friend who was being beat on by kids a lot older than us - this time i got my ass smoked, a knee to the eye. a black eye i got. i thought i was the greatest thing since sliced bread. within a day or two i was ecstatic & had pictures taken within minutes of the fight & days later..... crying & eye swollen shut - to - smiles wearing black eye
check this - im new at this school. im in 3rd grade trying to eat my lunch in peace. this asshole says to me, "me & my friends are gonna beat your ass at recess. im thinkin to myself, yeah ok. on the playground this prick charges me. i side step his dumb ass & punch this little bastard right in the face. a teacher saw it all & turned away pretending to not see it all go down. the ring leaders little pals all pissed themselves & took off. you stupid shits got nothing
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
The worst part is that being a youtube hit has consumed youth.
And a paradigm shift has occurred between generations.
Video killed the radio star.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Also, entering a larger person's personal space and getting assaulted is not akin to dressing scantily, minding one's own business and getting sexually assaulted.
no
as a kid, mom & dad would have whipped my ass for being a dickhead bully. i'd have been in trouble for not do something to help out that lady baby sitter riding on the bus w/ those lil pricks
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
watch out here i come
pjfanwillneverleave1 is smoking or drinking something powerful, yes/no?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Back then it seemed we all knew better as we were always personal with each other. We had no choice. There were no cell phones, no cameras, etc.
Now we live our lives on stage.
i forgive you. you're taken off the list
kids should be in a boxing club but most aren't, sure some are, but the majority are playin video games, texting & jerkin around being catered to. unreal
catered to
two of my nephews get their bedrooms cleaned by their (their mom's mother) grandmother. they're 16 & 14. holy crap, man.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
If it wasn't I had no life outside the house. Pretty simple.
(Thanks mom and dad)
I would tell the kid that hit me that I'm guessing factors beyond his control helped make him the punk he is and I get that, but its his choice to either break the cycle and become the decent kid he could be or end up dead or screwed in a heavy duty prison.
This kind of thing won't stop until several things happen like...
Think of all people as human beings and as gimme said, not animals and savages. Maybe they are messed up human beings but the hatred keeps the cycle going. I hate it that that kid hit me, I get angry/sad/bummed when I think about it and at first I probably would have said I hate the kid but now... no, I don't think so. It does no good to hate him. I'm actually sad about that kid.
We could do with some big changes to many school districts. Less like training institution, more like helping kids move forward.
Be aware of prejudice. Why does the heading of the video mention race when nothing in the article mentioned it being a racially motivated situation? Yep, you got that right.
Educate young adults about having kids. Fewer screwed up kids would result. Support Family Planning.
I'm shocked that more people don't have a problem with this.
It's an elderly woman. Who does that to the elderly?
When you speak to motivations, optically, it presents a mindset that sympathizes with the offender to some capacity.
I guess the myopic folks are to blame for this incident.
I'm not saying it's not a problem, it's just not a NEW problem. now it's just all on video, and for some reason, people seeing it with their own eyes is what is causing the uproar.
www.headstonesband.com
I still get the impression the video was at least subconsciously intended to be racially biased.