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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    edited October 2015
    RobbyD462 said:

    Spun Soup last night.
    Fucking love that album!

    BUT WHY DID THEY LEAVE OFF THE TITLE TRACK!?!?!

    http://youtu.be/mUxP6IBFD5E
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  • RobbyD462
    RobbyD462 Victoria BC Posts: 4,812
    DriftingByTheStorm said:


    RobbyD462 said:

    Spun Soup last night.
    Fucking love that album!

    BUT WHY DID THEY LEAVE OFF THE TITLE TRACK!?!?!

    http://youtu.be/mUxP6IBFD5E
    This is the best Blind Melon track.
    I've always wonder this as well
    It was talked about in the book A devil on one shoulder and a angel on the other by Greg Prato
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    DriftingByTheStorm said:

    I get the feeling from seeing all the recent melon love, and things like Soup getting voted #1 underrated album of the 90s, that Blind Melon is going to be the new Big Star. Woefully neglected in their time, but recognized for their greatness by all with ears in the future.

    I think their "big" days are long gone - that ended when Shannon Hoon died. The current band can barely sell out large bars now in most places.
    I dunno.... from your comment they were apparently under-appreciated in their heyday. Perhaps that's true, although that is hard for me to relate to, because as a massive fan at the time, I felt like they were huge. They seemed to be everywhere, on the radio constantly, their shows created a buzz.... I guess it's all just a matter of perspective!
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    edited October 2015
    PJ_Soul said:

    DriftingByTheStorm said:

    I get the feeling from seeing all the recent melon love, and things like Soup getting voted #1 underrated album of the 90s, that Blind Melon is going to be the new Big Star. Woefully neglected in their time, but recognized for their greatness by all with ears in the future.

    I think their "big" days are long gone - that ended when Shannon Hoon died. The current band can barely sell out large bars now in most places.
    I dunno.... from your comment they were apparently under-appreciated in their heyday. Perhaps that's true, although that is hard for me to relate to, because as a massive fan at the time, I felt like they were huge. They seemed to be everywhere, on the radio constantly, their shows created a buzz.... I guess it's all just a matter of perspective!
    I think you misunderstand me. Maybe it was the Big Star reference that failed?

    No Rain was huge. (But even then watch the Woodstock video and you see/hear he can't even get the crowd to sign along for shit, so)

    But that's where it ended. They may have been "big" in certain circles of peeps that new what's what, but most seem to agree (and I recall) them being largely ignored otherwise. My take is that the alt-rock world was already inundated with high profile acts, and there were just too many other more easily digestible acts to allow room for BM. Also, like I said, the music is complex and Shannon has a high voice which off puts many people (think Janes Addiction).

    Anyway. The Big Star reference was meant to imply NOT that they would be hugely successful commercially ever again, but that like Big Star (and maybe they velvet Underground) that their perceived worth as immortal artists will continue to rise over the years as people dig through the music of yore and realize that in fact (like with Big Star) that BM wrote and recorded some of the most heartfelt and beautiful songs of rock history.


    Here is s good/shitty gauge of their perceived value at the time:
    http://youtu.be/rNJZNZ0hHQY

    Watch the slander from Ricky. I get that they were "friends" and maybe he was ragging in jest but he places them flatly at the bottom of artists regarding popularity. Douchery.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    RobbyD462 said:



    This is the best Blind Melon track.
    I've always wonder this as well
    It was talked about in the book A devil on one shoulder and a angel on the other by Greg Prato
    Good book check it out!

    Thank you! I will! I was hoping some one could point me to an answer. I'm glad it's on Nico but don't understand who made the decision to pull it from Soup and why! It's fucking beautiful.

    Change / walk / soup = tears
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  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    Soup is a masterpiece. Never got into the selftitled album much. A few good tunes but Soup is unbelievable.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    edited October 2015
    cp3iverson said:

    Soup is a masterpiece. Never got into the selftitled album much. A few good tunes but Soup is unbelievable.

    You need to relisten then.

    Holyman
    sleepyhouse
    Change
    Time
    I wonder
    Tones of home
    Drive

    All 100% classic. (Time & I Wonder!!!)
    I mean they all are, but each of those is rock solid. And most of them goddamn impossible to play on guitar :-/ :-/ :-/

    I always thought Soup was slightly weaker, personally. But the songs on soup are definitely tighter, and more alt-rock than BM which is far more jammy and "loose". And like they say on the Porcupine film, they definitely had more money to throw at production.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited October 2015
    cp3iverson said:

    Soup is a masterpiece. Never got into the selftitled album much. A few good tunes but Soup is unbelievable.

    I think both are masterpieces, but Soup is the more interesting and creative album for sure. S/T is pretty poppy by comparison.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    edited October 2015
    PJ_Soul said:

    cp3iverson said:

    Soup is a masterpiece. Never got into the selftitled album much. A few good tunes but Soup is unbelievable.

    I think both are masterpieces, but Soup is the more interesting and creative album for sure. S/T is pretty poppy by comparison.
    Soup is "darker" but I wouldn't call anything on the first "poppy" ??? REM it ain't! (And I LOVE rem)
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  • jjflash
    jjflash Posts: 5,031
    This thread got me jonesing for BM. Listened to Soup and Nico today and enjoyed them a little sumpin extra having beforehand watched some of the videos/interviews in the thread.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited October 2015
    DriftingByTheStorm said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    cp3iverson said:

    Soup is a masterpiece. Never got into the selftitled album much. A few good tunes but Soup is unbelievable.

    I think both are masterpieces, but Soup is the more interesting and creative album for sure. S/T is pretty poppy by comparison.
    Soup is "darker" but I wouldn't call anything on the first "poppy" ??? REM it ain't! (And I LOVE rem)
    You don't think that at least No Rain is?? There is a reason the worst song on that album was the biggest hit - because of its pop appeal! ;) Nothing else on S/T is close to that, but I do think the whole album has the same kind of pop-like vibe. It not actual pop; it's just pop-like compared to Soup.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    PJ_Soul said:

    DriftingByTheStorm said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    cp3iverson said:

    Soup is a masterpiece. Never got into the selftitled album much. A few good tunes but Soup is unbelievable.

    I think both are masterpieces, but Soup is the more interesting and creative album for sure. S/T is pretty poppy by comparison.
    Soup is "darker" but I wouldn't call anything on the first "poppy" ??? REM it ain't! (And I LOVE rem)
    You don't think that at least No Rain is??
    Yes, obviously. But I knew we all knew that. But to be fair, even no rain is in mixolydian and has a fair amount of Jam in it, which, imho, takes it out of the pop category.

    Find me a Taylor Swift song in Mixolydian and maybe I'll reconsider. ;-)
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    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    edited October 2015
    jjflash said:

    This thread got me jonesing for BM. Listened to Soup and Nico today and enjoyed them a little sumpin extra having beforehand watched some of the videos/interviews in the thread.

    Amen. If YouTube existed back then I would have been a faster convert. (Although I was still playing the album in my preteens and LOVING "change" in 12th grade, it still never quite clicked till more recently, maybe because I've had more depressed feelings in later life to relate with?)

    Hell, if I could have just seen the Mookie Blaylock shirt on Shannon, and heard his rabid praise for Pearl Jam I would have been head over heals from the get go. ;-)
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    DriftingByTheStorm said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    DriftingByTheStorm said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    cp3iverson said:

    Soup is a masterpiece. Never got into the selftitled album much. A few good tunes but Soup is unbelievable.

    I think both are masterpieces, but Soup is the more interesting and creative album for sure. S/T is pretty poppy by comparison.
    Soup is "darker" but I wouldn't call anything on the first "poppy" ??? REM it ain't! (And I LOVE rem)
    You don't think that at least No Rain is??
    Yes, obviously. But I knew we all knew that. But to be fair, even no rain is in mixolydian and has a fair amount of Jam in it, which, imho, takes it out of the pop category.

    Find me a Taylor Swift song in Mixolydian and maybe I'll reconsider. ;-)
    No Rain is the entire reason I made the mistake of dismissing this band until it was too late. Poppy as all hell.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^^
    That's interesting. The only reason I know Blind Melon and the impact of their songs, music etc is because I delved further into their music after hearing No Rain. I felt in my ears that there was more to them than that song. I am glad I made that call.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited October 2015
    DriftingByTheStorm said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    DriftingByTheStorm said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    cp3iverson said:

    Soup is a masterpiece. Never got into the selftitled album much. A few good tunes but Soup is unbelievable.

    I think both are masterpieces, but Soup is the more interesting and creative album for sure. S/T is pretty poppy by comparison.
    Soup is "darker" but I wouldn't call anything on the first "poppy" ??? REM it ain't! (And I LOVE rem)
    You don't think that at least No Rain is??
    Yes, obviously. But I knew we all knew that. But to be fair, even no rain is in mixolydian and has a fair amount of Jam in it, which, imho, takes it out of the pop category.

    Find me a Taylor Swift song in Mixolydian and maybe I'll reconsider. ;-)
    Didn't say it was pop. Obviously Blind Melon is not pop music, lol. I just said that S/T is more pop-like than Soup in a relative sense. I don't know how else to put it. In any case, S/T is one my all time favorite albums. It's just more "poppy" than Soup. Not pop. ;) Both albums are absolute genius. With Soup even better than their first and then the work they released on Nico, I don't even want to consider what more albums would have been like - it hurts to think about.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^^
    That's interesting. The only reason I know Blind Melon and the impact of their songs, music etc is because I delved further into their music after hearing No Rain. I felt in my ears that there was more to them than that song. I am glad I made that call.

    A guy I jammed with at the time kept trying to convince me to cover No Rain. I thought he was out of his mind. again, i was way off. Inow appreciate that song having heard the rest of their music. That taught me to look at bands beyond the radio single.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited October 2015
    I guess I bought the album because of No Rain, but as soon as I played it i realized immedoately that No Rain was in fact the worst song on the album... which was pretty fucking great news, since I really loved No Rain at the time, being a 16 or 17 year old girl.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    PJ_Soul said:

    I guess I bought the album because of No Rain, but as soon as I played it i realized immedoately that No Rain was in fact the worst song on the album... which was pretty fucking great news, since I really loved No Rain at the time, being a 16 or 17 year old girl.

    I was about 19, but I was still into metallica and megadeth while embracing pj and nirvana. So no rain, at the time, was total pop to my metal ears. Lol.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I guess I bought the album because of No Rain, but as soon as I played it i realized immedoately that No Rain was in fact the worst song on the album... which was pretty fucking great news, since I really loved No Rain at the time, being a 16 or 17 year old girl.

    I was about 19, but I was still into metallica and megadeth while embracing pj and nirvana. So no rain, at the time, was total pop to my metal ears. Lol.
    That's funny!
    Like a fist to the jaw I was wandering how this girl in a bee costume is getting almost equal listening time as Jeremy but I liked both.

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