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  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    SD48277 said:

    JUST A GIRL said:

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    County clerk is doing what she thinks is morally correct and I do and will continue to applaud her for doing so. If we don't do gods work it will fade and the world will then turn into hell, and I'm sure no one wants that.

    I asked this in the other thread regarding Kim Davis, and I will repeat it here as you may have missed it before the thread was closed:

    Could someone please give a clear, definitive job description of what God's work is? I'm being serious. It seems that the wording is vague enough that many people interpret how they wish and use it to justify whatever actions they take. A clear description would be most helpful and greatly appreciated. Please and thank you.
    God wants us to go forth with love.
    2014: Cincinnati
    2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    deadendp said:

    SD48277 said:

    JUST A GIRL said:

    <
    County clerk is doing what she thinks is morally correct and I do and will continue to applaud her for doing so. If we don't do gods work it will fade and the world will then turn into hell, and I'm sure no one wants that.

    I asked this in the other thread regarding Kim Davis, and I will repeat it here as you may have missed it before the thread was closed:

    Could someone please give a clear, definitive job description of what God's work is? I'm being serious. It seems that the wording is vague enough that many people interpret how they wish and use it to justify whatever actions they take. A clear description would be most helpful and greatly appreciated. Please and thank you.
    God wants us to go forth with love.
    But selective love. You can't just be loving... anybody.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    edited September 2015
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    deadendp said:

    SD48277 said:

    JUST A GIRL said:

    <
    County clerk is doing what she thinks is morally correct and I do and will continue to applaud her for doing so. If we don't do gods work it will fade and the world will then turn into hell, and I'm sure no one wants that.

    I asked this in the other thread regarding Kim Davis, and I will repeat it here as you may have missed it before the thread was closed:

    Could someone please give a clear, definitive job description of what God's work is? I'm being serious. It seems that the wording is vague enough that many people interpret how they wish and use it to justify whatever actions they take. A clear description would be most helpful and greatly appreciated. Please and thank you.
    God wants us to go forth with love.
    But selective love. You can't just be loving... anybody.
    ^^ But I do. And you know what? I love God, too. He hasn't struck me down yet. ;) I'd like to think that God has us here to love everyone and judge no one. You know, it's kind of not my job.
    2014: Cincinnati
    2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Exactly what it comes down to, deadend. I get Thirty's sarcasm too!

    Growing up and even now, it seemed to me that god was / is about love, embracing, comforting...not dividing...not inspiring fear or one who'd coerce people to "do the right thing" because it'd leave them up high vs kindness for its own sake.

    Guessing the JAG'ged one won't address this or lo, the many other comments and questions made?

    Totally willing to allow for response time.

    Aaaand....GO!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    SD48277 said:

    JUST A GIRL said:

    <
    County clerk is doing what she thinks is morally correct and I do and will continue to applaud her for doing so. If we don't do gods work it will fade and the world will then turn into hell, and I'm sure no one wants that.

    I asked this in the other thread regarding Kim Davis, and I will repeat it here as you may have missed it before the thread was closed:

    Could someone please give a clear, definitive job description of what God's work is? I'm being serious. It seems that the wording is vague enough that many people interpret how they wish and use it to justify whatever actions they take. A clear description would be most helpful and greatly appreciated. Please and thank you.
    Maybe the key is in the phrase, "If we don't do gods work..." Maybe that's the deal- God is trying to get people to do all the work which is rather ironic seeing as how he/she/it is omnipotent. But at least the Devils lets us have all the fun!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    I don't care what anyone thinks God's work is supposed to be, partly because no one could know that, namely because God doesn't exist anyway, and also because God has no place in government anyhow, so what difference does it make?? JAG, how do you justify your idea that personal religious belief has any place in government and how the law defines and serves equal rights, and how do you reconcile it with your own apparent respect of the Constitution in other regards? For example, how can you possibly defend your right to free speech or right to bear arms, while supporting opposition to the Constitution based on your religious beliefs?

    I guess it's pretty ridiculous of me to expect any kind of logical comment or answer from you about anything at this point, but I keep hoping. I do actually think that you are just a very creative troll who loves to say whatever you feel will get people irritated (i picture you sitting at the computer and chuckling and cackling over how gullible we all are), but even so, I am curious to see what you can come up with as an answer to that question.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Enkidu
    Enkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996
    I would call her that to her face. And guess what, I just got home from church. Yep, I go to church, I believe in God, I respect anyone's right to believe in God or not. It's a personal decision and none of my business.

    I think that woman has no business in a job where she can't separate her religion from her work.

    What PJSoul just said, "How do you justify your idea that personal religious belief has any place in government and how the law defines and serves equal rights, and how do you reconcile it with your own apparent respect of the Constitution in other regards? For example, how can you possibly defend your right to free speech or right to bear arms, while supporting opposition to the Constitution based on your religious beliefs?"

    Amen.
  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    I can respect the fact that someone has strong beliefs, even beliefs I disagree with, if they don't harm other people. But most people faced with the dilemma of standing up for their beliefs or doing their job would find another job. If someone is elected to office, they're probably more likely to face decisions and compromises than us regular working stiffs, but they choose to run for office and that comes with the territory.

    Davis has a pretty good gig. She gets a very good salary in a locale where there aren't a lot of job opportunities, from what I can tell. She still collects her salary for the time she spent in jail. Why should she resign? Even if she's sent back to jail, she still gets paid while claiming that she's persecuted for her conscience. She can't be forced out until the legislature meets and the governor has said he won't call a special session before they meet in January. She has very little to lose by continuing her behavior during the next few months. She might want to polish up her resume though, although I have a feeling she'll have plenty of job offers from her supporters.
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    PJ_Soul said:

    Godfather. said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    Godfather. said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Godfather. said:

    ....so then If I wanted a cake ...white frosting 16" X 16" X 16" with read lettering that read white power baked at the bakery owned by a black couple in thier mid to late 60's I would not be imposing on them and they should be happy to get my business ? or should I understand how they may feel about it and go to another bakery ?

    Godfather.

    Is it illegal for them to refuse to make the cake based on what you want it to say?
    really ? what ever happened to the bakery owners that refused to bake a wedding cake for same sex ....people ? it was all over the news for a while that there was a fine and they didn't seem to have the right to refuse service anybody.....or does that rule not aply to same sex couples ?


    Godfather.

    did you really pause and search for a word to describe "same sex........people"?

    they are people too.

    that would be like me describing people of faith and act like i am searching for a word to describe what they are.

    "those religious........people."
    I apologize.

    Godfather.

    I am not sure about anyone else, but even though you apologized, I will never forget you said that.
    so what.....


    Godfather.

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    no print reports yet, but I heard on the morning news Davis is filing an appeal to prevent her office from being able to issue licenses.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/kim-davis-files-appeal-to-continue-denying-same-sex-marriage-licences-1.3225550


    back on topic.
    What do you mean back on topic?
    Comments in this thread are no different than the comments in the article you posted.
    She is a religious nut job that is feeling the pinch.
    no, you are feeling the pinch.

    Godfather.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Who Princess said:

    I can respect the fact that someone has strong beliefs, even beliefs I disagree with, if they don't harm other people. But most people faced with the dilemma of standing up for their beliefs or doing their job would find another job. If someone is elected to office, they're probably more likely to face decisions and compromises than us regular working stiffs, but they choose to run for office and that comes with the territory.

    Davis has a pretty good gig. She gets a very good salary in a locale where there aren't a lot of job opportunities, from what I can tell. She still collects her salary for the time she spent in jail. Why should she resign? Even if she's sent back to jail, she still gets paid while claiming that she's persecuted for her conscience. She can't be forced out until the legislature meets and the governor has said he won't call a special session before they meet in January. She has very little to lose by continuing her behavior during the next few months. She might want to polish up her resume though, although I have a feeling she'll have plenty of job offers from her supporters.

    Your last statement is, sadly, the truth.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504


    Remember in Civics class where we learned that Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court interprets them?
    Ok, in 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA) into Federal law stating that marriag was between a man and a woman. There was no Federal Law concerning marriage prior to that, so DOMA became THE Federal statute pertaining to marriage.
    The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that PART of DOMA was unconstitutional and some states voted to allow same sex marriage. However, they were in conflict with the remaining articles of DOMA.
    The way Federal Laws work is that state law can be MORE restrictive but it cannot be less restrictive than Federal law. So, some states, who voted to recognize same sex marriage were in conflict with Federal Law.
    Which is the reason the Supreme Court heard the issue again this year. We all know their decision. But, what we apparently forgot is that since they can't make law, their decision to declare DOMA unconstitutional resulted in there being NO federal law concerning marriage.
    Which means, jurisdiction falls to the state. And what that means boys and girls is that Kim Davis IS NOT in violation of ANY law by refusing to issue marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling.
    In fact, if she had issued a license to a same sex couple, she would have been in violation of the state laws of Kentucky, which had voted no on the issue.
    Congress failed to be prepared to handle the situation resulting from SCOTUS striking down DOMA by writing a new Federal Law so we are left with the issue being handled at a state level.
    In the states that voted no on this issue, same sex marriage is not Federally protected.
    Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's the way the law works in this country.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    soooo... I posted this( what a shame, I always tell people "believe as you wish" watch what happens as this country looses it's faith in God.) then many of you became afraid and attacked like scard children in a school yard, if you're all so sure of your selfs why the all the attacks ?
    as I've said in the past "one day you will find the truth" and I hope it's not too late at that point but till then believe as you wish.

    Godfather.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Godfather. said:

    soooo... I posted this( what a shame, I always tell people "believe as you wish" watch what happens as this country looses it's faith in God.) then many of you became afraid and attacked like scard children in a school yard, if you're all so sure of your selfs why the all the attacks ?
    as I've said in the past "one day you will find the truth" and I hope it's not too late at that point but till then believe as you wish.

    Godfather.

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    It's only a thought that makes it seem right; what you don't see is because of your sight.

    Save the whales!
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Godfather. said:

    soooo... I posted this( what a shame, I always tell people "believe as you wish" watch what happens as this country looses it's faith in God.) then many of you became afraid and attacked like scard children in a school yard, if you're all so sure of your selfs why the all the attacks ?
    as I've said in the past "one day you will find the truth" and I hope it's not too late at that point but till then believe as you wish.

    Godfather.

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    ?

    Godfather.

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Beautifully overwhelming in the beauty and irony.

    (it's a cold and broken Hallelujah)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q7TRVOM9KQ
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    hedonist said:

    Beautifully overwhelming in the beauty and irony.

    (it's a cold and broken Hallelujah)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q7TRVOM9KQ

    why cold and broken ? what do you maen ?

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    hedonist said:

    It's only a thought that makes it seem right; what you don't see is because of your sight.

    Save the whales!

    back in the 80's there was a bumper sticker going around that read
    "nuke the gay whales for world peace"....a sarcastic all in one bumper sticker but stll today sarcasism is king, we don't need facts to back up a sarcastic remark right ?

    Godfather.

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Godfather. said:



    Remember in Civics class where we learned that Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court interprets them?
    Ok, in 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA) into Federal law stating that marriag was between a man and a woman. There was no Federal Law concerning marriage prior to that, so DOMA became THE Federal statute pertaining to marriage.
    The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that PART of DOMA was unconstitutional and some states voted to allow same sex marriage. However, they were in conflict with the remaining articles of DOMA.
    The way Federal Laws work is that state law can be MORE restrictive but it cannot be less restrictive than Federal law. So, some states, who voted to recognize same sex marriage were in conflict with Federal Law.
    Which is the reason the Supreme Court heard the issue again this year. We all know their decision. But, what we apparently forgot is that since they can't make law, their decision to declare DOMA unconstitutional resulted in there being NO federal law concerning marriage.
    Which means, jurisdiction falls to the state. And what that means boys and girls is that Kim Davis IS NOT in violation of ANY law by refusing to issue marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling.
    In fact, if she had issued a license to a same sex couple, she would have been in violation of the state laws of Kentucky, which had voted no on the issue.
    Congress failed to be prepared to handle the situation resulting from SCOTUS striking down DOMA by writing a new Federal Law so we are left with the issue being handled at a state level.
    In the states that voted no on this issue, same sex marriage is not Federally protected.
    Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's the way the law works in this country.

    You should probably credit whoever wrote this GF.
    "My brain's a good brain!"

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