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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,132
    Always been pro choice. This is a tough one to argue. Way to emotional.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Pro choice. And as a man its not my desciscion to make.
  • JUST A GIRL
    JUST A GIRL Posts: 372
    Not pro choice. Some women scream "i have a right to a choice!"

    My thoughts? You do have a right to a choice. Either choose to have sex and undetstand the possible outcome, or don't have sex at all. There's your choice.

    Abortion is murder. If you don't believe me go google a video of a 5 month old (20 week) fetus being sucked down a tube. You're opinion will (should) change mighty quick.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    RU-486 sounds like a question in short form..."are you for 86(ing) this pregnancy?"

    Poor joke I know, but it came to mind.

    I remember when this became available in the US, and the uproar it caused among otherwise reasonable people.

    Anyway, not pro-abortion but very much pro-choice here, because I DO have a right to choose. Thank god.

    I never had to make that decision (and that ship has pretty much sailed by now anyway - ha!), but my sister's life would be drastically different had she not been afforded that option when she was a young woman. She's one of many.

    Also, nothing - save abstinence - will guarantee not becoming pregnant.

    Education is quite important as well; too many girls partaking in acts in which they have little or no maturity, guidance, or understanding the serious and potential outcomes (whether becoming pregnant or acquiring an STD).
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,247
    rr165892 said:

    Pro choice. And as a man its not my desciscion to make.

    i agree.

    i would never tell a woman, especially the billions of ones i don't know, what they should do with their own body.

    it is their body. everyone else should just butt out and run their own body they way they choose to.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    JUST A GIRL said:

    Not pro choice. Some women scream "i have a right to a choice!"

    My thoughts? You do have a right to a choice. Either choose to have sex and undetstand the possible outcome, or don't have sex at all. There's your choice.

    Abortion is murder. If you don't believe me go google a video of a 5 month old (20 week) fetus being sucked down a tube. You're opinion will (should) change mighty quick.

    Is it so cut and dry? Straight up black and white?
    Less than 2 % Of abortions occur at such a late gestational age. 88 to 92% occur before 13 weeks.
    Is the pill mutter? It stops fertilized eggs from implanting, where do you draw the line?
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    rgambs said:

    JUST A GIRL said:

    Not pro choice. Some women scream "i have a right to a choice!"

    My thoughts? You do have a right to a choice. Either choose to have sex and undetstand the possible outcome, or don't have sex at all. There's your choice.

    Abortion is murder. If you don't believe me go google a video of a 5 month old (20 week) fetus being sucked down a tube. You're opinion will (should) change mighty quick.

    Is it so cut and dry? Straight up black and white?
    Less than 2 % Of abortions occur at such a late gestational age. 88 to 92% occur before 13 weeks.
    Is the pill mutter? It stops fertilized eggs from implanting, where do you draw the line?
    Not that I'm defending Just a Girl's comments, obviously, but I think you're thinking of the morning after pill. The abortion pill is for pregnancies for as much as 10 weeks (i think).

    Anyway, pro-choice all the way. I couldn't care less what anti-choicers think. They're fools.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • WhatYouTaughtMe
    WhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    PJ_Soul said:

    rgambs said:

    JUST A GIRL said:

    Not pro choice. Some women scream "i have a right to a choice!"

    My thoughts? You do have a right to a choice. Either choose to have sex and undetstand the possible outcome, or don't have sex at all. There's your choice.

    Abortion is murder. If you don't believe me go google a video of a 5 month old (20 week) fetus being sucked down a tube. You're opinion will (should) change mighty quick.

    Is it so cut and dry? Straight up black and white?
    Less than 2 % Of abortions occur at such a late gestational age. 88 to 92% occur before 13 weeks.
    Is the pill mutter? It stops fertilized eggs from implanting, where do you draw the line?
    Not that I'm defending Just a Girl's comments, obviously, but I think you're thinking of the morning after pill. The abortion pill is for pregnancies for as much as 10 weeks (i think).

    Anyway, pro-choice all the way. I couldn't care less what anti-choicers think. They're fools.
    I always find it ridiculous that a lot of these "pro-lifers" in government are the same people who are big on defense and have a hard-on for war. I guess civilian casualties don't count as murder.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    JUST A GIRL said:

    Not pro choice. Some women scream "i have a right to a choice!"

    My thoughts? You do have a right to a choice. Either choose to have sex and undetstand the possible outcome, or don't have sex at all. There's your choice.

    Abortion is murder. If you don't believe me go google a video of a 5 month old (20 week) fetusbeing sucked down a tube. You're opinion will (should) change mighty quick.

    Without advanced technology, a 20 week fetus can't survive on its own.

    Fetus being the key word.

    Abortion is not murder.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,705
    Prochoice every woman should have the final voice on what they choose to do with their own body's ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,602
    I refuse to label myself Pro-choice or Pro-Life. Both are just soundbyte labels that oversimplify a complex issue.

    I believe that safe, legal and rare abortion should be available to women who need it. No one should have to cross state lines to get the procedure. No one should have to turn to some black market "doctor" either.

    I think we do a disservice to young girls when we push this idea that "it's not a child, it's a choice."

    I remember how horrifying it was to dispense the morning after pill when I worked as a pharmacy tech in highly impoverished Holyoke, MA. Not because I have a problem with the pill - I'm glad that a prescription is no longer needed here in Massachusetts. What horrified me was that these young girls, these kids, would come in with a prescription for it...and the doctors would write them with a refill option. No education, just a quick scribble on a paper to keep them out of the doctors' hair next time. Just one more of the many ways the children of that town were underserved.

    I don't know if life begins at conception. I can honestly say I don't know when life begins. But I don't believe abortion is murder.

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    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    JimmyV said:


    I believe that safe, legal and rare abortion should be available to women who need it. No one should have to cross state lines to get the procedure. No one should have to turn to some black market "doctor" either.

    Great post, Jimmy - but that up there specifically, especially.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    edited July 2015
    JimmyV said:

    I refuse to label myself Pro-choice or Pro-Life. Both are just soundbyte labels that oversimplify a complex issue.

    I believe that safe, legal and rare abortion should be available to women who need it. No one should have to cross state lines to get the procedure. No one should have to turn to some black market "doctor" either.

    I think we do a disservice to young girls when we push this idea that "it's not a child, it's a choice."

    I remember how horrifying it was to dispense the morning after pill when I worked as a pharmacy tech in highly impoverished Holyoke, MA. Not because I have a problem with the pill - I'm glad that a prescription is no longer needed here in Massachusetts. What horrified me was that these young girls, these kids, would come in with a prescription for it...and the doctors would write them with a refill option. No education, just a quick scribble on a paper to keep them out of the doctors' hair next time. Just one more of the many ways the children of that town were underserved.

    I don't know if life begins at conception. I can honestly say I don't know when life begins. But I don't believe abortion is murder.

    I don't see how "pro-choice" is an over-simplification. It's perfectly simple, not overly. It is actually not a complex issue at all. A woman can choose what she does with her own body and anything that's inside it. That's it. Super simple. Everything else is just noise IMO.

    I don't understand why you would have any emotion about giving out the morning after pill, let alone be horrified. When that is used the egg isn't even fertilized. It is not much different that selling a box of condoms.
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    PJ fan,got a chuckle out of thread title.Kinda occurred to me that what we do here on AMT is basically discuss all the inappropriate shit that was supposed to be taboo at the dinner table or when you first meet someone.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,968
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323?
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    rr165892 said:

    PJ fan,got a chuckle out of thread title.Kinda occurred to me that what we do here on AMT is basically discuss all the inappropriate shit that was supposed to be taboo at the dinner table or when you first meet someone.

    I personally have no interest in attending a dinner where you can't discuss sex, religion, and politics. How boring!!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    JimmyV said:

    I refuse to label myself Pro-choice or Pro-Life. Both are just soundbyte labels that oversimplify a complex issue.

    I believe that safe, legal and rare abortion should be available to women who need it. No one should have to cross state lines to get the procedure. No one should have to turn to some black market "doctor" either.

    I think we do a disservice to young girls when we push this idea that "it's not a child, it's a choice."

    I remember how horrifying it was to dispense the morning after pill when I worked as a pharmacy tech in highly impoverished Holyoke, MA. Not because I have a problem with the pill - I'm glad that a prescription is no longer needed here in Massachusetts. What horrified me was that these young girls, these kids, would come in with a prescription for it...and the doctors would write them with a refill option. No education, just a quick scribble on a paper to keep them out of the doctors' hair next time. Just one more of the many ways the children of that town were underserved.

    I don't know if life begins at conception. I can honestly say I don't know when life begins. But I don't believe abortion is murder.

    What's rare? Once in a lifetime? I'm not opposed to more than that per woman.

    Do any of you consider RU-486 abortion? I do not.
  • WhatYouTaughtMe
    WhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    Kat said:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323?

    I would have went with the idiot thread on that one.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    WhatYouTaughtMe said:

    Kat said:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323?

    I would have went with the idiot thread on that one.
    What a whack job
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,602
    Last-12-Exit said:

    JimmyV said:

    I refuse to label myself Pro-choice or Pro-Life. Both are just soundbyte labels that oversimplify a complex issue.

    I believe that safe, legal and rare abortion should be available to women who need it. No one should have to cross state lines to get the procedure. No one should have to turn to some black market "doctor" either.

    I think we do a disservice to young girls when we push this idea that "it's not a child, it's a choice."

    I remember how horrifying it was to dispense the morning after pill when I worked as a pharmacy tech in highly impoverished Holyoke, MA. Not because I have a problem with the pill - I'm glad that a prescription is no longer needed here in Massachusetts. What horrified me was that these young girls, these kids, would come in with a prescription for it...and the doctors would write them with a refill option. No education, just a quick scribble on a paper to keep them out of the doctors' hair next time. Just one more of the many ways the children of that town were underserved.

    I don't know if life begins at conception. I can honestly say I don't know when life begins. But I don't believe abortion is murder.

    What's rare? Once in a lifetime? I'm not opposed to more than that per woman.

    Do any of you consider RU-486 abortion? I do not.
    I'm not opposed to that, either. I just think that by whatever means available to us - education, protection, reducing/eliminating rape, etc. - to reduce the number of abortions that occur we should undertake. Not by restricting a woman's ability to get an abortion, but by reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies.

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    "...I changed by not changing at all..."

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