.

jeffbr

Last-12-Exit said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323?

I would have went with the idiot thread on that one.

What a whack job

Haha, every time he makes a speech I cringe. He's a political and religious extremist. It is scary that he has enough support to launch a campaign. It is even scarier to me that he has enough of an audience that Fox makes him a regular contributor. He also recently said that the Iran deal will result in an Iran lead nuclear Holocaust against Israel. I don't know anyone who likes him, but obviously they exist somewhere. Any Huckabee supporters around here want to jump in and defend him?

Last-12-Exit

There's a reason Huckabee can't win the nomination. I'd rather see Trump win than huckabee.

Abe Froman

jeffbr said:

Last-12-Exit said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323?

I would have went with the idiot thread on that one.

What a whack job

Haha, every time he makes a speech I cringe. He's a political and religious extremist. It is scary that he has enough support to launch a campaign. It is even scarier to me that he has enough of an audience that Fox makes him a regular contributor. He also recently said that the Iran deal will result in an Iran lead nuclear Holocaust against Israel. I don't know anyone who likes him, but obviously they exist somewhere. Any Huckabee supporters around here want to jump in and defend him?

It is extremely scary that there are people out there that think similar to a dictator/bigot like mike huckabee.

WhatYouTaughtMe

Abe Froman said:

jeffbr said:

Last-12-Exit said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323?

I would have went with the idiot thread on that one.

What a whack job

Haha, every time he makes a speech I cringe. He's a political and religious extremist. It is scary that he has enough support to launch a campaign. It is even scarier to me that he has enough of an audience that Fox makes him a regular contributor. He also recently said that the Iran deal will result in an Iran lead nuclear Holocaust against Israel. I don't know anyone who likes him, but obviously they exist somewhere. Any Huckabee supporters around here want to jump in and defend him?

It is extremely scary that there are people out there that think similar to a dictator/bigot like mike huckabee.

Scary, but not surprising anymore.

PJ_Soul

Last-12-Exit said:

There's a reason Huckabee can't win the nomination. I'd rather see Trump win than huckabee.

God yes. 1000 times yes. Compared to Huckabee, Trump is fucking Abraham Lincoln.

PJ_Soul

Abe Froman said:

jeffbr said:

Last-12-Exit said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323?

I would have went with the idiot thread on that one.

What a whack job

Haha, every time he makes a speech I cringe. He's a political and religious extremist. It is scary that he has enough support to launch a campaign. It is even scarier to me that he has enough of an audience that Fox makes him a regular contributor. He also recently said that the Iran deal will result in an Iran lead nuclear Holocaust against Israel. I don't know anyone who likes him, but obviously they exist somewhere. Any Huckabee supporters around here want to jump in and defend him?

It is extremely scary that there are people out there that think similar to a dictator/bigot like mike huckabee.

It's extremely scary that Fox News pimps his garbage out to millions upon millions who consider Fox News a legit news source and actually use it as their main information source and form their opinions based on Fox News editorials. I find that absolutely horrifying.

rgambs

PJ_Soul said:

Abe Froman said:

jeffbr said:

Last-12-Exit said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323?

I would have went with the idiot thread on that one.

What a whack job

Haha, every time he makes a speech I cringe. He's a political and religious extremist. It is scary that he has enough support to launch a campaign. It is even scarier to me that he has enough of an audience that Fox makes him a regular contributor. He also recently said that the Iran deal will result in an Iran lead nuclear Holocaust against Israel. I don't know anyone who likes him, but obviously they exist somewhere. Any Huckabee supporters around here want to jump in and defend him?

It is extremely scary that there are people out there that think similar to a dictator/bigot like mike huckabee.

It's extremely scary that Fox News pimps his garbage out to millions upon millions who consider Fox News a legit news source and actually use it as their main information source and form their opinions based on Fox News editorials. I find that absolutely horrifying.

You can't make shit like this up. It's beyond imagination.

gimmesometruth27

if you say you are pro life, but you support the death penalty, you oppose birth control, you oppose welfare and food stamps and medicare/medicaid, then you are not pro life. you are pro birth, and that is it.

WhatYouTaughtMe

gimmesometruth27 said:

if you say you are pro life, but you support the death penalty, you oppose birth control, you oppose welfare and food stamps and medicare/medicaid, then you are not pro life. you are pro birth, and that is it.

Yes. Don't forget the war mongering by a lot of those same hypocrites.

brianlux

Pro choice, without a doubt.

Someone close to me (I'll call her "Jane") used to pass a Planned Parenthood building on her way to work every day. She noticed one day that a group of religious pro-lifers were harassing the Planned Parenthood as they tried to enter the building and go to work. Jane got out of her car and went into the Planned Parenthood office, wrote them out a check for $100, went back outside and told the harassing religious people, "Look, I just went in and gave this organization a check for $100. I go by here every day to my job and every time I see you out here interfering with these people and their work I will go in and write them another check for $100 until you stop harassing them." She followed up on her word and wrote several $100 checks (and I know for a fact that this person worked hard and was not super wealthy) and eventually the religious harassing people left for good. I was blown away by Jane's story and her commitment.

WhatYouTaughtMe

brianlux said:

Pro choice, without a doubt.

Someone close to me (I'll call her "Jane") used to pass a Planned Parenthood building on her way to work every day. She noticed one day that a group of religious pro-lifers were harassing the Planned Parenthood as they tried to enter the building and go to work. Jane got out of her car and went into the Planned Parenthood office, wrote them out a check for $100, went back outside and told the harassing religious people, "Look, I just went in and gave this organization a check for $100. I go by here every day to my job and every time I see you out here interfering with these people and their work I will go in and write them another check for $100 until you stop harassing them." She followed up on her word and wrote several $100 checks (and I know for a fact that this person worked hard and was not super wealthy) and eventually the religious harassing people left for good. I was blown away by Jane's story and her commitment.

What a great tactic and statement to make.

Last-12-Exit

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

brianlux said:

Pro choice, without a doubt.

Someone close to me (I'll call her "Jane") used to pass a Planned Parenthood building on her way to work every day. She noticed one day that a group of religious pro-lifers were harassing the Planned Parenthood as they tried to enter the building and go to work. Jane got out of her car and went into the Planned Parenthood office, wrote them out a check for $100, went back outside and told the harassing religious people, "Look, I just went in and gave this organization a check for $100. I go by here every day to my job and every time I see you out here interfering with these people and their work I will go in and write them another check for $100 until you stop harassing them." She followed up on her word and wrote several $100 checks (and I know for a fact that this person worked hard and was not super wealthy) and eventually the religious harassing people left for good. I was blown away by Jane's story and her commitment.

What a great tactic and statement to make.

I really wish I could afford to do something like that.

Abe Froman

PJ_Soul said:

Abe Froman said:

jeffbr said:

Last-12-Exit said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323?

I would have went with the idiot thread on that one.

What a whack job

Haha, every time he makes a speech I cringe. He's a political and religious extremist. It is scary that he has enough support to launch a campaign. It is even scarier to me that he has enough of an audience that Fox makes him a regular contributor. He also recently said that the Iran deal will result in an Iran lead nuclear Holocaust against Israel. I don't know anyone who likes him, but obviously they exist somewhere. Any Huckabee supporters around here want to jump in and defend him?

It is extremely scary that there are people out there that think similar to a dictator/bigot like mike huckabee.

It's extremely scary that Fox News pimps his garbage out to millions upon millions who consider Fox News a legit news source and actually use it as their main information source and form their opinions based on Fox News editorials. I find that absolutely horrifying.

Yup. I truly cannot comprehend how anyone could buy into this shit.

Abe Froman

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

brianlux said:

Pro choice, without a doubt.

Someone close to me (I'll call her "Jane") used to pass a Planned Parenthood building on her way to work every day. She noticed one day that a group of religious pro-lifers were harassing the Planned Parenthood as they tried to enter the building and go to work. Jane got out of her car and went into the Planned Parenthood office, wrote them out a check for $100, went back outside and told the harassing religious people, "Look, I just went in and gave this organization a check for $100. I go by here every day to my job and every time I see you out here interfering with these people and their work I will go in and write them another check for $100 until you stop harassing them." She followed up on her word and wrote several $100 checks (and I know for a fact that this person worked hard and was not super wealthy) and eventually the religious harassing people left for good. I was blown away by Jane's story and her commitment.

What a great tactic and statement to make.

Awesome.

brianlux

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323?

Good God! Has the man has lost his marbles or is he trying to kick feminism back to the dark ages? This has got to be some kind of lame effort to keep women under someones thumb but it's not going to work. Most women and the men who support them (count me in) will not stand for this.

Kat

brianlux said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323?

Good God! Has the man has lost his marbles or is he trying to kick feminism back to the dark ages? This has got to be some kind of lame effort to keep women under someones thumb but it's not going to work. Most women and the men who support them (count me in) will not stand for this.

As difficult and long the pre-election/primary season has become, it might be a good thing because positions of candidates that are extreme may be exposed during the process. That's about the only good thing I can come up with about this.

brianlux

Kat said:

brianlux said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323?

Good God! Has the man has lost his marbles or is he trying to kick feminism back to the dark ages? This has got to be some kind of lame effort to keep women under someones thumb but it's not going to work. Most women and the men who support them (count me in) will not stand for this.

As difficult and long the pre-election/primary season has become, it might be a good thing because positions of candidates that are extreme may be exposed during the process. That's about the only good thing I can come up with about this.

Excellent point, Kat. The more candidates show their true colors, the better.

what dreams

PJ_Soul said:

JimmyV said:

I refuse to label myself Pro-choice or Pro-Life. Both are just soundbyte labels that oversimplify a complex issue.

I believe that safe, legal and rare abortion should be available to women who need it. No one should have to cross state lines to get the procedure. No one should have to turn to some black market "doctor" either.

I think we do a disservice to young girls when we push this idea that "it's not a child, it's a choice."

I remember how horrifying it was to dispense the morning after pill when I worked as a pharmacy tech in highly impoverished Holyoke, MA. Not because I have a problem with the pill - I'm glad that a prescription is no longer needed here in Massachusetts. What horrified me was that these young girls, these kids, would come in with a prescription for it...and the doctors would write them with a refill option. No education, just a quick scribble on a paper to keep them out of the doctors' hair next time. Just one more of the many ways the children of that town were underserved.

I don't know if life begins at conception. I can honestly say I don't know when life begins. But I don't believe abortion is murder.

I don't see how "pro-choice" is an over-simplification. It's perfectly simple, not overly. It is actually not a complex issue at all. A woman can choose what she does with her own body and anything that's inside it. That's it. Super simple. Everything else is just noise IMO.

I don't understand why you would have any emotion about giving out the morning after pill, let alone be horrified. When that is used the egg isn't even fertilized. It is not much different that selling a box of condoms.

I'm pro-choice. I've had an abortion. And it's not simple.
Before I got pregnant, I was of the same mind as most pro-choicers who speak in abstracts. As soon as I got pregnant, things got very complex. For example, I finally realized when life begins -- as soon as a woman is conscious that she's pregnant. Even though I knew I was going to have an abortion, I stopped drinking and smoking during the time leading up to it because I didn't want to harm the fetus (isn't that fucked up). I frequently imagined what this life would be like if I didn't abort -- and still remember the due date as a birthday 16 years later. During the procedure, I physically felt the exact moment when that life was no longer a drain on my body. I spent years of emotional turmoil dealing with what I had done, forgiving myself so I could move on with my life, but I was stuck for a really long time.
Through it all, I have never given up my pro-choice position, but that choice is anything but "perfectly simple," PJ Soul. It's that kind of comment that has led me to believe that the only people who really have a right to an opinion about abortion are the women and their partners who have actually had one. Nobody else really knows what they're talking about.

rgambs

what dreams said:

PJ_Soul said:

JimmyV said:

I refuse to label myself Pro-choice or Pro-Life. Both are just soundbyte labels that oversimplify a complex issue.

I believe that safe, legal and rare abortion should be available to women who need it. No one should have to cross state lines to get the procedure. No one should have to turn to some black market "doctor" either.

I think we do a disservice to young girls when we push this idea that "it's not a child, it's a choice."

I remember how horrifying it was to dispense the morning after pill when I worked as a pharmacy tech in highly impoverished Holyoke, MA. Not because I have a problem with the pill - I'm glad that a prescription is no longer needed here in Massachusetts. What horrified me was that these young girls, these kids, would come in with a prescription for it...and the doctors would write them with a refill option. No education, just a quick scribble on a paper to keep them out of the doctors' hair next time. Just one more of the many ways the children of that town were underserved.

I don't know if life begins at conception. I can honestly say I don't know when life begins. But I don't believe abortion is murder.

I don't see how "pro-choice" is an over-simplification. It's perfectly simple, not overly. It is actually not a complex issue at all. A woman can choose what she does with her own body and anything that's inside it. That's it. Super simple. Everything else is just noise IMO.

I don't understand why you would have any emotion about giving out the morning after pill, let alone be horrified. When that is used the egg isn't even fertilized. It is not much different that selling a box of condoms.

I'm pro-choice. I've had an abortion. And it's not simple.
Before I got pregnant, I was of the same mind as most pro-choicers who speak in abstracts. As soon as I got pregnant, things got very complex. For example, I finally realized when life begins -- as soon as a woman is conscious that she's pregnant. Even though I knew I was going to have an abortion, I stopped drinking and smoking during the time leading up to it because I didn't want to harm the fetus (isn't that fucked up). I frequently imagined what this life would be like if I didn't abort -- and still remember the due date as a birthday 16 years later. During the procedure, I physically felt the exact moment when that life was no longer a drain on my body. I spent years of emotional turmoil dealing with what I had done, forgiving myself so I could move on with my life, but I was stuck for a really long time.
Through it all, I have never given up my pro-choice position, but that choice is anything but "perfectly simple," PJ Soul. It's that kind of comment that has led me to believe that the only people who really have a right to an opinion about abortion are the women and their partners who have actually had one. Nobody else really knows what they're talking about.

Most of this is an an emotionally based, and is therefore a unique experience to you. If we don't keep the emotional and spiritual feelings of individuals out of the debate abortion will be strictly illegal by like, tomorrow.
My point is that your feelings about when life starts (what about the people who don't know they are pregnant until they give birth?) and the other aspects of abortion are yours alone, and their validity to you is not an endorsement for or against abortion.

rr165892

what dreams said:

PJ_Soul said:

JimmyV said:

I refuse to label myself Pro-choice or Pro-Life. Both are just soundbyte labels that oversimplify a complex issue.

I believe that safe, legal and rare abortion should be available to women who need it. No one should have to cross state lines to get the procedure. No one should have to turn to some black market "doctor" either.

I think we do a disservice to young girls when we push this idea that "it's not a child, it's a choice."

I remember how horrifying it was to dispense the morning after pill when I worked as a pharmacy tech in highly impoverished Holyoke, MA. Not because I have a problem with the pill - I'm glad that a prescription is no longer needed here in Massachusetts. What horrified me was that these young girls, these kids, would come in with a prescription for it...and the doctors would write them with a refill option. No education, just a quick scribble on a paper to keep them out of the doctors' hair next time. Just one more of the many ways the children of that town were underserved.

I don't know if life begins at conception. I can honestly say I don't know when life begins. But I don't believe abortion is murder.

I don't see how "pro-choice" is an over-simplification. It's perfectly simple, not overly. It is actually not a complex issue at all. A woman can choose what she does with her own body and anything that's inside it. That's it. Super simple. Everything else is just noise IMO.

I don't understand why you would have any emotion about giving out the morning after pill, let alone be horrified. When that is used the egg isn't even fertilized. It is not much different that selling a box of condoms.

I'm pro-choice. I've had an abortion. And it's not simple.
Before I got pregnant, I was of the same mind as most pro-choicers who speak in abstracts. As soon as I got pregnant, things got very complex. For example, I finally realized when life begins -- as soon as a woman is conscious that she's pregnant. Even though I knew I was going to have an abortion, I stopped drinking and smoking during the time leading up to it because I didn't want to harm the fetus (isn't that fucked up). I frequently imagined what this life would be like if I didn't abort -- and still remember the due date as a birthday 16 years later. During the procedure, I physically felt the exact moment when that life was no longer a drain on my body. I spent years of emotional turmoil dealing with what I had done, forgiving myself so I could move on with my life, but I was stuck for a really long time.
Through it all, I have never given up my pro-choice position, but that choice is anything but "perfectly simple," PJ Soul. It's that kind of comment that has led me to believe that the only people who really have a right to an opinion about abortion are the women and their partners who have actually had one. Nobody else really knows what they're talking about.

Thanks for sharing.I know other women who feel likewise based on similar situations.Plain and simple those big desciscion Espescially when young can fuck a girl up for years.Good on you for not beating yourself up for life.