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Another Bullsh$@ Manufactured story to provoke the race card.

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  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013

    He doesn't have to have justification to ask her to step out if the car.
    Sorry last 12, he does and he without question did have justification in this case.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    muskydan said:

    Sorry last 12, he does and he without question did have justification in this case.
    I have heard otherwise musky. Does each state have separate laws on that or is that federal. If I'm wrong, I'll own it.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,107
    edited July 2015
    See my link above....the supreme court says police can ask you to leave your vehicle during a traffic stop.

    you didn't know that muskydan?
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  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013

    I have heard otherwise musky. Does each state have separate laws on that or is that federal. If I'm wrong, I'll own it.
    Not sure about that one, probable cause is needed in my state and since the officer witnessed a violation of a traffic law he can ask her to step out of her car. If she refuses he can give her a lawful order to step out of the car. If that don't work it's time to go hands on...which is when the cameras come on and everybody gets their panties on a bunch when you see just the hands on stuff which is rarely a pretty scene.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,634
    muskydan said:

    Because many people on here go through their life w/ blinders on and refuse to acknowledge the real problems of society by placing blame on everyone else ...especially blaming the big bad racist Po-Leeses
    Not really. This is just condescending, dismissive bullshit with no relation to reality. It's just a really cheap and easy way to try and get a point across.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    Once again, I am not a cop. They are not my brothers.
    I've known many first responders and there is a definite brotherhood between police and EMT/Fire. Do you have a sticker on your window?
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    You guys seem to think he escalated this.Are you fucking kidding me about who took this shit next level?

    Escalation doesn't occur all at once. It progresses in steps. If the cop was your employee in your business would you be excusing his share of the escalation?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 44,246
    mickeyrat said:

    Might be just semantics but we hear often about an officer needing control.

    Seems being in command of a situation is better as opposed to being in control of a situation.

    To me in command suggests a more nuanced less emotion driven approach.

    If you seek to control the situation you've already lost it.

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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    rgambs said:

    I've known many first responders and there is a definite brotherhood between police and EMT/Fire. Do you have a sticker on your window?
    No. But i do have a Charleston 9 sticker to go along with my stick man.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    jeffbr said:

    So compliance with cops is now an optional thing? That's an interesting tactic for cops to take. "I'm going to tell you to do something. You get to decide whether you'd like to or not. If you choose not to, we'll just shrug our shoulders and call it good." Which orders or situations should fall into this category? "License and registration please?", or "Please put out your cigarette?", or "Drop your weapon?", or "Take your hands out of your pockets and keep them where I can see them?". Are you saying the cops should ignore non-compliance? Are you suggesting that we get to choose which lawful orders we get to disregard without consequence? I'm not really following the logic here.


    Of course I am not suggesting we get to choose which lawful order we will follow. I am suggesting that we have a right to question which orders are lawful, and if we are able to demonstrate that we are within our rights, the cop should back down.
    This woman wasn't behaving well, but she was exercising her rights. If the officer thinks she is a threat, that is fine, but if he is detaining her for asserting her rights, it is a violation.
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    edited July 2015
    rgambs said:

    Of course I am not suggesting we get to choose which lawful order we will follow. I am suggesting that we have a right to question which orders are lawful, and if we are able to demonstrate that we are within our rights, the cop should back down.
    This woman wasn't behaving well, but she was exercising her rights. If the officer thinks she is a threat, that is fine, but if he is detaining her for asserting her rights, it is a violation.
    No you don't have that right. Just get out of the car. Unless you reasonably don't think it is a cop. Then, who knows?
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    No. But i do have a Charleston 9 sticker to go along with my stick man.
    Around here, you put your station sticker in your back window and you don't get tickets. If it's big enough, you don't get pulled over.
    These are not my words, they are straight from the horse's mouth.
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I know about the stickers. I do not support the fraternal order so I don't get stickers. I have gotten out of tickets through my relationships with state and county police.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    No you don't have that right. Just get out of the car. Unless you reasonably don't think it is a cop. Then, who knows?
    That right has been judiciated away by the ever expanding definition of "reasonable cause"
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697

    I know about the stickers. I do not support the fraternal order so I don't get stickers. I have gotten out of tickets through my relationships with state and county police.

    And blow jobs
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    rgambs said:

    Escalation doesn't occur all at once. It progresses in steps. If the cop was your employee in your business would you be excusing his share of the escalation?
    Agreed.If he worked for me,I would do what his CO will probably do.Look at situation,realize technically he did nothing wrong,but I would teach him about better ways to reach the same conclusion and ask him to work on it a bit so it dosent come back to haunt us in the future.Everything is a learning experience.
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    PJ_Soul said:

    I am going directly off of the OP. "Manufactured bullshit" suggests to me that this isn't worth investigation as far as the OP is concerned.
    Okay, how would an autopsy tell anyone if the woman killed herself? Suicide is really easy to fake I should think.
    I stated that because when this story broke I felt like this was another situation that was going to use race to blow the facts out of proportion.Hype it up to get traction.
    And PJ that's exactly what the family and counsel did .Not so much race,but the whole us vs PoPo thing.
  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013
    rgambs said:

    Around here, you put your station sticker in your back window and you don't get tickets. If it's big enough, you don't get pulled over.
    These are not my words, they are straight from the horse's mouth.
    You also get your windows bashed in and car keyed by the many Police haters in this once great nation. Wise off duty police don't put identifiers on their automobiles at all.
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    muskydan said:

    You also get your windows bashed in and car keyed by the many Police haters in this once great nation. Wise off duty police don't put identifiers on their automobiles at all.
    Yeah but you can't hide the donut ,fast food and coffee stench that come s from the interior.lol
  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013
    rr165892 said:

    Yeah but you can't hide the donut ,fast food and coffee stench that come s from the interior.lol
    Tru Dat...lol. Nice one my man
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    muskydan said:

    Tru Dat...lol. Nice one my man
    Unless it's the Tactical meat heads.There rides smell like testosterone,protein powder and tuna fish.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    edited July 2015
    rr165892 said:

    And blow jobs
    Smh

    I wish I could say what I want to say
    Post edited by Last-12-Exit on
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    muskydan said:

    You also get your windows bashed in and car keyed by the many Police haters in this once great nation. Wise off duty police don't put identifiers on their automobiles at all.
    I don't doubt that in the city, but in the country we have a touch more class.
    Scratch that, not more class.
    More respect I guess. More MYOB.
    MYOB is a lost art in this "once great nation".
    When was it great again??
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    rgambs said:

    I don't doubt that in the city, but in the country we have a touch more class.
    Scratch that, not more class.
    More respect I guess. More MYOB.
    MYOB is a lost art in this "once great nation".
    When was it great again??
    I miss those days
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    I miss those days
    The days when people minded their own business? Glory days.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    rgambs said:

    The days when people minded their own business? Glory days.
    Here,here!!!
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697

    Smh

    I wish I could say what I want to say
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    rgambs said:



    The days when people minded their own business? Glory days.

    In the wink of a young girl's eye!
  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013
    rgambs said:

    The days when people minded their own business? Glory days.
    Bingo
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    muskydan said:

    Holy crap man!!!!where have you been all my life??? Get ready to get hammered By the majority on here that see and hear only what their silly liberal brains want. Being a realist is taken as racist on here, you'll see.
    Musky, you really need to get out more and enjoy the rest of the site if you haven't read any of Just a Girl's posts before; s/he (for the sake of convenience and given user name I will assume she) has posted all over, but mostly on the Porch. This is the usual format - come into an established thread, post a long, possibly controversial post, state that there's no need to reply as she won't reply but then replies to further posts, sometimes throws out gratuitous insults toward other posters, then disappears again for a bit. That's fine; everyone can posts as much or as little as they want, but if you are looking for your soul mate musky then step out on the porch.
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