Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Legal Nationwide

goingtoverona said:

whatever happened to the "right to refuse service to anyone"? isn't that being able to discriminate against people without giving a specific reason? let's go back to that and make it so you can discriminate against anyone for any reason whatsoever. skin color, gender, wealth, geographical location, religious preference whatever, let's make it all legal. this whole attitude of oh dear discrimination is terrible, except when jesus does it, is for the birds. I should be able to say oh you're a Christian? I can't serve you because I believe you're a self righteous hateful hypocrite and it goes against my beliefs to contribute to your prosperity.

I thought those "right to refuse service to anyone" signs were basically just bullshit, no?? I mean, anyone can put up a sign. But it doesn't mean much if the sign goes against an actual law.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cj-prince/why-i-support-no-gays-all_b_7710334.html

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cj-prince/why-i-support-no-gays-all_b_7710334.html

very interesting points but i think this is still a bit off. what happens if you are gay in a small town and all the stored in that small town put out those signs? I can understand his point of view in a big city that has multiple stores and multiple communities that are open to the lgbt community but sometimes you need the government to step in when you are facing extreme hate.

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cj-prince/why-i-support-no-gays-all_b_7710334.html

Unreal. The thing about this is that even if you do translate the Bible to mean that being gay is wrong, I don't think there is anything saying that you can't do business with them. I'm pretty sure it just says that you shouldn't have gay sex (not so clearly as that though). So where in the fuck does this asshole get the idea that gay people should be restricted from any part of life besides his own bed?? It makes no sense. He's just decided in his own head that not having gay sex = hating gays as human beings. And then blames Christianity for his issues. There is so much wrong here.
But I agree that his sign should be straightforward. If you're determined to be a hateful, nonsensical bigot, own it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtgY1q0J_TQ

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Kat said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cj-prince/why-i-support-no-gays-all_b_7710334.html

Why no commentary from you on this article?
You're on the train.
Random links posted with no comments gets things stirred.
What do you think about this article you posted Kat?

perhaps the writer of the article provided the commentary Kat agreed with? really I think that was the point, OWN IT. Lets all know where each other stand. that way informed consumers can decide accordingly.

bootlegger10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I don't think marriage has any relevancy anyways. This whole situation is about recognizing the rights of individuals.

I am not married to my partner. I call my partner 'wife' only because it most easily expresses her relationship to me when I refer to her to other people. We have been faithfully together for 20 years and have two children- ages 17 and 14. We got a really cool cat too. Our household is as happy as can be- no ancient ritual could possibly help make it better.

Why aren't we married? We are not married because marriage, like many things, is a farce- it's a relic from the past when we were very simple and thought that such events were critical. Words uttered by some priest do not solidify or make a relationship- divorce rates prove that. We talked about doing it, but ultimately, we never felt the need to take money out of our line of credit and throw a big, plastic ceremony to show everyone we are committed to each other.

I remember many people urging us to do as they did and formally get married (implying our relationship wasn't valid maybe?). Many... in fact... most of these people have since divorced.

Are there any legal benefits you miss out on not being married up in Canada?

This varies provincially, but yes, in some provinces there are differences in how property is divided if the couple splits up. There are also implications upon the death of one's partner as CL spouses aren't necessarily entitled to the estate in the same way that legally married spouses are.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

bootlegger10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I don't think marriage has any relevancy anyways. This whole situation is about recognizing the rights of individuals.

I am not married to my partner. I call my partner 'wife' only because it most easily expresses her relationship to me when I refer to her to other people. We have been faithfully together for 20 years and have two children- ages 17 and 14. We got a really cool cat too. Our household is as happy as can be- no ancient ritual could possibly help make it better.

Why aren't we married? We are not married because marriage, like many things, is a farce- it's a relic from the past when we were very simple and thought that such events were critical. Words uttered by some priest do not solidify or make a relationship- divorce rates prove that. We talked about doing it, but ultimately, we never felt the need to take money out of our line of credit and throw a big, plastic ceremony to show everyone we are committed to each other.

I remember many people urging us to do as they did and formally get married (implying our relationship wasn't valid maybe?). Many... in fact... most of these people have since divorced.

Are there any legal benefits you miss out on not being married up in Canada?

This varies provincially, but yes, in some provinces there are differences in how property is divided if the couple splits up. There are also implications upon the death of one's partner as CL spouses aren't necessarily entitled to the estate in the same way that legally married spouses are.

Without a legal will, there can be problems. Common law is essentially the same as married though.

As I said, it depends on the province. This is not the case in Ontario, for instance, but it is essentially the same in BC.

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

bootlegger10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I don't think marriage has any relevancy anyways. This whole situation is about recognizing the rights of individuals.

I am not married to my partner. I call my partner 'wife' only because it most easily expresses her relationship to me when I refer to her to other people. We have been faithfully together for 20 years and have two children- ages 17 and 14. We got a really cool cat too. Our household is as happy as can be- no ancient ritual could possibly help make it better.

Why aren't we married? We are not married because marriage, like many things, is a farce- it's a relic from the past when we were very simple and thought that such events were critical. Words uttered by some priest do not solidify or make a relationship- divorce rates prove that. We talked about doing it, but ultimately, we never felt the need to take money out of our line of credit and throw a big, plastic ceremony to show everyone we are committed to each other.

I remember many people urging us to do as they did and formally get married (implying our relationship wasn't valid maybe?). Many... in fact... most of these people have since divorced.

Are there any legal benefits you miss out on not being married up in Canada?

This varies provincially, but yes, in some provinces there are differences in how property is divided if the couple splits up. There are also implications upon the death of one's partner as CL spouses aren't necessarily entitled to the estate in the same way that legally married spouses are.

It does impact child custody issues too (in BC at least). If you share children, it's actually the best idea to get married for this reason, rather than be common law. If you get a divorce, not getting married could end up biting you in the ass when it comes to the fine details of custody (this is more the case for men most of the time, as is usually the case in custody battles, unfortunately). I personally think those unmarried couples with young children together or who plan on having some should just get to city hall and get it on paper at least just for this reason, if They're not interested in marriage otherwise. Just as a bit if protection. Not romantic I know, lol. But no one in love thinks they'll have a bitter breakup and a custody battle someday... that doesn't mean it won't happen.

PJ_Soul, what are the rights for unmarried couples in Canada regarding health decisions for the other partner? For example, if one partner has a catastrophic injury or serious illness and medical decisions must be made for the injured/ill person. Does one partner have the right to make medical decisions on behalf of the other partner if they are not legally married?

I'm curious because many years ago in California, a friend of mine was completely excluded from any medical decisions when her partner of 16 years was diagnosed with stage IV cancer. Her partner's medical condition worsened very quickly to the point where she was no longer legally able to consent to treatments. In the eyes of the law, the partner's mother was next-of-kin and she made all medical decisions, even though she never approved of the relationship and was basically absent from their lives for those 16 years. The mother was also able to dictate who could visit the hospital and later hospice room and who could not.