Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Legal Nationwide

Godfather. · July 2015

josevolution said:
I believe that every human on this planet should have the right to marry who ever they want in any kind of ceremony the couples chooses to do so !!!!!! Fucking period ...

whaoooo Jose ! get down with your bad self brother !
and don't let my opinion of G/M ruin your day or get you upset, I'm pretty sure my opinion has no baring on what you believe or the disission made by the court..
I can't change your mind and you can't change mine and I'm good with that, no hard feelings here.

Godfather.

rgambs · July 2015

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SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

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rollings said:

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goingtoverona said:
ehhh I think congratulate is a bit of a stretch. there wasn't a single exclamation point, woohoo or way to go godfather!!. I think people can believe whatever the hell they want to and should be allowed to express their beliefs, even if they are the complete opposite of mine.
Haha, that's true, you didn't give three cheers or anything.

I also believe in freedom of speech.... so I am exercising mine in reaction to GF, who of course can believe and express whatever he wants. I never suggested otherwise. That doesn't mean I can't criticize it.
Criticize all you want...Go for it!!

But Im thinking you telling him...To go fuck himself?????

Yeah...
That one is going to go over REAL WELL with the mods.....
plus it would make him GAY

And in due time....
The Supreme Court will soon allow Godfather to marry himself!
Oh boy not that tired old argument... Reality is calling, will you accept the charges?
Hey, no worries, I accept the fact that GM is a reality.

I was just having a little fun with the whole "Go Fuck Yourself" statement.

Have no worries, I don't see the Supreme Court allowing Godfather to marry himself..Or Godfather to marry a chimpanzee.

speedy your so creative is that trate from your mother or your father ?.....just because your here to make such funny jokes I'll assume you had both at one time or another...I'll let you in on a little secrete...it takes a man and a woman to reproduce, why is that ?

Godfather.

I believe Speedy is on your side here GF.
That's also a hilariously weak argument. You are suggesting that marriage is for procreation only... I am sure you haven't thought about where that leads, or you wouldn't have posted such a slackjawed, birdbrained argument. Then again, you did post that old classic, "It's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" lol

sorry, I've been reading all this and lost track speedy.slackjawed, bird brained argument ? I ain't the one who believes in same sex marrieage I'm just posting my opinion as is everybody else and I really don't care what everybody else believes, but so far I've been told to go fuck myself...(now that's safe sex) and attacked with comments on my personal belifes so that makes me wonder if that's what people resort to to justify thier argument for G/M maybe I have struck a nerve in people that might have them doubting themselfs, why would somebe angry if they thought what they stated they was right ? unless they really don't know for sure what they are saying.

Godfather.

So if a referendum came out that was seeking to ban all religious worship it wouldn't strike a nerve with you? You wouldn't be ppissed? And if you were pissed would it be because you weren't sure if you were right? That logic makes no sense.
People get angry when they and their brethren are discriminated against, and that is what you are seeking to do.
well....so far obama has been elected -no name calling on my part( that I can remember)-my faith has been questioned-no name calling on my part I don't believe I've told anybody they were bat shit crazy, told them to fuck them selves or things like that, if all those things are the part of anger that comes along with debate here on the train nobody has sent me the memo....but I will admit all these things do make for good heated discussion,the only question is can others handle it well enough to carry on a good debate.

side note: while obama has been perz race relations have hit distraserous lows, other countries are laughing at him and us even saying he is not a good leader........but he is the president for what it's worth.

Godfather.

In neither of those cases were your rights infringed upon.

Godfather. said:
another thought...what about the seperation of Church and state ? I've seen so many people on the train complain that Churches should pay taxes and they shouldn't be involved in any business concerning state and federal business but now most of you are all gitty and beside yourselfs with joy that the courts have given the green light for G/M.

Godfather.

???? I don't get it?
This is a huge win for supporters of separation of church and state.
The church was just pushed out of having power over people by legislating marital morality.

Godfather. · July 2015

ummmm yeah I see, I've always believed and still do that a marrieage was union preformed before God, to me if you are not married in the eyes of God the true meaning of marrieage has not been completed.

Godfather.

eddiec · July 2015

Godfather. said:
ummmm yeah I see, I've always believed and still do that a marrieage was union preformed before God, to me if you are not married in the eyes of God the true meaning of marrieage has not been completed.

Godfather.

Marriage in the Catholic church is a sacrament, yes. But marriage can happen without being a sacrament.

Godfather. · July 2015

eddiec said:

Godfather. said:
ummmm yeah I see, I've always believed and still do that a marrieage was union preformed before God, to me if you are not married in the eyes of God the true meaning of marrieage has not been completed.

Godfather.
Marriage in the Catholic church is a sacrament, yes. But marriage can happen without being a sacrament.

I just read read about that, interesting read on the history of marriage in wiki.

Godfather.

callen · July 2015

Am torn on Christian photographer being forced to shoot gay marriage. They are in it. Setting up poses, getting couple to smile.

Baking a cake eh. Catering eh. But maybe there is a line?

Thoughts?

eddiec · July 2015

callen said:
Am torn on Christian photographer being forced to shoot gay marriage. They are in it. Setting up poses, getting couple to smile.

Baking a cake eh. Catering eh. But maybe there is a line?

Thoughts?

Don't you have to hire a photographer?

goingtoverona · July 2015

@godfather, you hit the nail on the head when you said "I've always believed and still do", those are YOUR beliefs. the problem comes in when you try to force others to believe what you do. by your own admission you said you would vote against GM, which means you're trying to force your beliefs on others. that's bull shit man. what's ironic is that if a muslim person started saying how the Quran says we should do whatever and this is what Allah wants us to do blah blah blah so we need to all do it......you would be the loudest critic of that(based on my interpretations of your previous posts about muslims and islam and what not). so it really begs the question, why is it ok for you to try and shove your beliefs down my throat, but it's not ok for anyone else? other than the obvious because i'm a Christian and they're muslim.

mickeyrat · July 2015

Godfather. said:
another thought...what about the seperation of Church and state ? I've seen so many people on the train complain that Churches should pay taxes and they shouldn't be involved in any business concerning state and federal business but now most of you are all gitty and beside yourselfs with joy that the courts have given the green light for G/M.

Godfather.

Again the states have asserted themselves thereby making marriage a civil legal matter.

HOW a ceremony is performed though would be along religious belief or lack there of.

Part of your argument that is unsaid is if I am not religious then I cant get married "under god"

callen · July 2015

eddiec said:

callen said:
Am torn on Christian photographer being forced to shoot gay marriage. They are in it. Setting up poses, getting couple to smile.

Baking a cake eh. Catering eh. But maybe there is a line?

Thoughts?

Don't you have to hire a photographer?

Don't understand your question.

Godfather. · July 2015

goingtoverona said:
@godfather, you hit the nail on the head when you said "I've always believed and still do", those are YOUR beliefs. the problem comes in when you try to force others to believe what you do. by your own admission you said you would vote against GM, which means you're trying to force your beliefs on others. that's bull shit man. what's ironic is that if a muslim person started saying how the Quran says we should do whatever and this is what Allah wants us to do blah blah blah so we need to all do it......you would be the loudest critic of that(based on my interpretations of your previous posts about muslims and islam and what not). so it really begs the question, why is it ok for you to try and shove your beliefs down my throat, but it's not ok for anyone else? other than the obvious because i'm a Christian and they're muslim.

no I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anybody but I have stated my opinion and if I were to vote no on G/M I would be standing up for what I believe as you or anybody else would, if you were to vote yes for G/M do you think you would be forcing me to change what I believe ? that's just not possible right ? I oppose G/M but I'm not trying tell anybody that they can't because the law now states that you can wed whom ever you wish but I'd be willing to bet if there was a public vote the results may have been different....but there was not so I'll just keep following my beliefs and move forward.
I have said time and time again "BELIEVE AS YOU WISH" and just as your beliefs are not up for vote niether are mine.

Godfather.

PS- if I were to meet you, a gay person or BB or anybody else I would treat you all with the same respect as I would anybody else until you treated me differently.

rgambs · July 2015

Godfather. said:
ummmm yeah I see, I've always believed and still do that a marrieage was union preformed before God, to me if you are not married in the eyes of God the true meaning of marrieage has not been completed.

Godfather.

This is about legal status, not spiritual status.
If you get divorced, who issues the divorce? Govt or church?

Godfather. · July 2015

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:
ummmm yeah I see, I've always believed and still do that a marrieage was union preformed before God, to me if you are not married in the eyes of God the true meaning of marrieage has not been completed.

Godfather.
This is about legal status, not spiritual status.
If you get divorced, who issues the divorce? Govt or church?

that's one of my sonfused thoughts on the seperation of church and state, it's like the state/fed's want to control some aspects of the church but don't want any input from the church, I admit I don't completely understand how that works it just seems one sided to me.

Godfather.

rgambs · July 2015

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:
ummmm yeah I see, I've always believed and still do that a marrieage was union preformed before God, to me if you are not married in the eyes of God the true meaning of marrieage has not been completed.

Godfather.
This is about legal status, not spiritual status.
If you get divorced, who issues the divorce? Govt or church?
that's one of my sonfused thoughts on the seperation of church and state, it's like the state/fed's want to control some aspects of the church but don't want any input from the church, I admit I don't completely understand how that works it just seems one sided to me.

Godfather.

The deal is that "marriage" (it has long been suggested that word should be left to churches and something like "legal union" adopted) is a legal status with ramifications in the realms of taxation, inheritance, health insurance, etc. that can be initiated and terminated by certain conditions governed by law.
"Marriage" in the religious aspect is a spiritual union that many religions/churches view as a lifelong condition which can't, and won't, 42nd terminated.

The overlap exists purely from tradition, marriage was traditionally pperformed by ministers of religion, but for a long time judges and certain government officials have been authorized to perform this legally binding ceremony.

goingtoverona · July 2015

@godfather, I don't think you fully comprehend the ramifications of what happened when you said you would vote. you're still saying your attitude is "believe as you wish" but when you said you would vote you put a little asterisk at the bottom saying, "hey guys, I know I said believe what you want to believe, but I have these moral values that I live by that stem from my religion and given the opportunity I am going to try and make all of you live by my same values.....just a heads up."

that's the subtle message you send when you say you would vote to have people abide by your own personal religious preferences.

rgambs · July 2015

I am all for removing the word "marriage" from legal documents, it might help alleviate some of the confusion and animosity toward same-sex unions.
You can be married by a priest in front of God, but without a license from the government, you are not legally joined.
The opposite is true as well, you can be legally "married" without a speck of religious involvement, but that marriage wouldn't be recognized as a binding covenant by Yahweh.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · July 2015

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SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

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rollings said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

PJ_Soul said:

goingtoverona said:
ehhh I think congratulate is a bit of a stretch. there wasn't a single exclamation point, woohoo or way to go godfather!!. I think people can believe whatever the hell they want to and should be allowed to express their beliefs, even if they are the complete opposite of mine.
Haha, that's true, you didn't give three cheers or anything.

I also believe in freedom of speech.... so I am exercising mine in reaction to GF, who of course can believe and express whatever he wants. I never suggested otherwise. That doesn't mean I can't criticize it.
Criticize all you want...Go for it!!

But Im thinking you telling him...To go fuck himself?????

Yeah...
That one is going to go over REAL WELL with the mods.....
plus it would make him GAY

And in due time....
The Supreme Court will soon allow Godfather to marry himself!
Oh boy not that tired old argument... Reality is calling, will you accept the charges?
Hey, no worries, I accept the fact that GM is a reality.

I was just having a little fun with the whole "Go Fuck Yourself" statement.

Have no worries, I don't see the Supreme Court allowing Godfather to marry himself..Or Godfather to marry a chimpanzee.

speedy your so creative is that trate from your mother or your father ?.....just because your here to make such funny jokes I'll assume you had both at one time or another...I'll let you in on a little secrete...it takes a man and a woman to reproduce, why is that ?

Godfather.

I believe Speedy is on your side here GF.
That's also a hilariously weak argument. You are suggesting that marriage is for procreation only... I am sure you haven't thought about where that leads, or you wouldn't have posted such a slackjawed, birdbrained argument. Then again, you did post that old classic, "It's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" lol

sorry, I've been reading all this and lost track speedy.slackjawed, bird brained argument ? I ain't the one who believes in same sex marrieage I'm just posting my opinion as is everybody else and I really don't care what everybody else believes, but so far I've been told to go fuck myself...(now that's safe sex) and attacked with comments on my personal belifes so that makes me wonder if that's what people resort to to justify thier argument for G/M maybe I have struck a nerve in people that might have them doubting themselfs, why would somebe angry if they thought what they stated they was right ? unless they really don't know for sure what they are saying.

Godfather.

So if a referendum came out that was seeking to ban all religious worship it wouldn't strike a nerve with you? You wouldn't be ppissed? And if you were pissed would it be because you weren't sure if you were right? That logic makes no sense.
People get angry when they and their brethren are discriminated against, and that is what you are seeking to do.
well....so far obama has been elected -no name calling on my part( that I can remember)-my faith has been questioned-no name calling on my part I don't believe I've told anybody they were bat shit crazy, told them to fuck them selves or things like that, if all those things are the part of anger that comes along with debate here on the train nobody has sent me the memo....but I will admit all these things do make for good heated discussion,the only question is can others handle it well enough to carry on a good debate.

side note: while obama has been perz race relations have hit distraserous lows, other countries are laughing at him and us even saying he is not a good leader........but he is the president for what it's worth.

Godfather.

I'll speak to your side note.

Despite some of his failings and comparatively speaking, other countries do not think Obama is a poor leader (not mine anyways). Other countries do think your last leader was woeful and that it was he and his gaggle of puppet masters that- while pursuing matters of self interest- started this downward spiral which your country has been trying to get out of (economic hardships, racial tensions, middle eastern crisis, etc.).

I guess other countries have better long term memories.

* By the way... you couldn't be any more off base with your views on this subject.

Godfather. · July 2015

goingtoverona said:
@godfather, I don't think you fully comprehend the ramifications of what happened when you said you would vote. you're still saying your attitude is "believe as you wish" but when you said you would vote you put a little asterisk at the bottom saying, "hey guys, I know I said believe what you want to believe, but I have these moral values that I live by that stem from my religion and given the opportunity I am going to try and make all of you live by my same values.....just a heads up."

that's the subtle message you send when you say you would vote to have people abide by your own personal religious preferences.

o.k but in a vote situation we all have the same opertunity right ? I am not asking anybody to change thier morals or opinions but if the state/fed's are going to force a law on us it's up to us to accept that law at a personal leval meaning we may abide by that law but may not agree with it (and there are a lot of those) it's not my place to force anything on anybody, all I have are my personal views and on this site we talk about those views and opinions most of the time, just because you accept G/M and I do not does not mean either one of is a bad person it just means we have different opinions on the subject and we can talk about our opinions and still respect each other.

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · July 2015

I don't think marriage has any relevancy anyways. This whole situation is about recognizing the rights of individuals.

I am not married to my partner. I call my partner 'wife' only because it most easily expresses her relationship to me when I refer to her to other people. We have been faithfully together for 20 years and have two children- ages 17 and 14. We got a really cool cat too. Our household is as happy as can be- no ancient ritual could possibly help make it better.

Why aren't we married? We are not married because marriage, like many things, is a farce- it's a relic from the past when we were very simple and thought that such events were critical. Words uttered by some priest do not solidify or make a relationship- divorce rates prove that. We talked about doing it, but ultimately, we never felt the need to take money out of our line of credit and throw a big, plastic ceremony to show everyone we are committed to each other.

I remember many people urging us to do as they did and formally get married (implying our relationship wasn't valid maybe?). Many... in fact... most of these people have since divorced.

rgambs · July 2015

Godfather. said:

goingtoverona said:
@godfather, I don't think you fully comprehend the ramifications of what happened when you said you would vote. you're still saying your attitude is "believe as you wish" but when you said you would vote you put a little asterisk at the bottom saying, "hey guys, I know I said believe what you want to believe, but I have these moral values that I live by that stem from my religion and given the opportunity I am going to try and make all of you live by my same values.....just a heads up."

that's the subtle message you send when you say you would vote to have people abide by your own personal religious preferences.
o.k but in a vote situation we all have the same opertunity right ? I am not asking anybody to change thier morals or opinions but if the state/fed's are going to force a law on us it's up to us to accept that law at a personal leval meaning we may abide by that law but may not agree with it (and there are a lot of those) it's not my place to force anything on anybody, all I have are my personal views and on this site we talk about those views and opinions most of the time, just because you accept G/M and I do not does not mean either one of is a bad person it just means we have different opinions on the subject and we can talk about our opinions and still respect each other.

Godfather.

You are missing the point, the state/Fed isn't forcing anything on you. If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a dude. It's that simple. This is America, where we are supposed to be free to do as we please if it doesn't harm anyone else.
By voting against It, YOU are the one forcing something on someone else.

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