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Drowned Out · May 2015

Dirtie_Frank said:
The only problem I have with Moore's comments is he only wanted Black non violent criminals released. Maybe he should have said all?

Def agree with that. And....to just say non-violent is way too broad a stroke. I want more non-violent, criminals in jail.....of the white-collar variety.

pjhawks · May 2015

while i agree that lots of people are in prison for what should be minor drug offenses the fact is crime as a whole in this country is lower than it ever has been. i don't think that's a coincidence.

badbrains · May 2015

muskydan said:
or
badbrains said:
I'm wondering if this guy was hog tied and put in the van without being restrained to anything and they did as muskydan loves to brag about, bumpy ride to the station, only prob slammed their brakes and this guy went flying into the front of the van and severed his spine. My guess

Laughable………..

Pay attention to the live footage of this savage behavior guys and more importantly watch you're backs. Don't get caught with your pants down in the WRONG area wherever you may reside.

Who's laughing now? Prob you still cuz a Blackman was "murdered". Told you I was gonna remind you about this post. Enjoy the bumpy rides today.

benjs · May 2015

muskydan said:

Last-12-Exit said:
What is second degree depraved-heart murder? Did I read that right?
I don't know what the hell that is…shocking stuff thou. I can honestly say I did not see this coming. stay safe

I'm curious why you didn't see this coming. Is it so hard to believe that a person could do something of malicious intent to another person? Now, replace "person" with "police officer" and all of a sudden it's unfathomable?

JimmyV · May 2015

Glad to see these guys have been charged. There should be a trial, no doubt. They may still be found not guilty, but there should be a trial. That is how our legal system should work.

muskydan · May 2015

badbrains said:

muskydan said:
or
badbrains said:
I'm wondering if this guy was hog tied and put in the van without being restrained to anything and they did as muskydan loves to brag about, bumpy ride to the station, only prob slammed their brakes and this guy went flying into the front of the van and severed his spine. My guess

Laughable………..

Pay attention to the live footage of this savage behavior guys and more importantly watch you're backs. Don't get caught with your pants down in the WRONG area wherever you may reside.
Who's laughing now? Prob you still cuz a Blackman was "murdered". Told you I was gonna remind you about this post. Enjoy the bumpy rides today.

You got me badbrain. Enjoy the party while it lasts.

badbrains · May 2015

muskydan said:

badbrains said:

muskydan said:
or
badbrains said:
I'm wondering if this guy was hog tied and put in the van without being restrained to anything and they did as muskydan loves to brag about, bumpy ride to the station, only prob slammed their brakes and this guy went flying into the front of the van and severed his spine. My guess

Laughable………..

Pay attention to the live footage of this savage behavior guys and more importantly watch you're backs. Don't get caught with your pants down in the WRONG area wherever you may reside.
Who's laughing now? Prob you still cuz a Blackman was "murdered". Told you I was gonna remind you about this post. Enjoy the bumpy rides today.
You got me badbrain. Enjoy the party while it lasts.

Party while it lasts? What, you gonna shoot me too?

benjs · May 2015

muskydan said:

badbrains said:

muskydan said:
or
badbrains said:
I'm wondering if this guy was hog tied and put in the van without being restrained to anything and they did as muskydan loves to brag about, bumpy ride to the station, only prob slammed their brakes and this guy went flying into the front of the van and severed his spine. My guess

Laughable………..

Pay attention to the live footage of this savage behavior guys and more importantly watch you're backs. Don't get caught with your pants down in the WRONG area wherever you may reside.
Who's laughing now? Prob you still cuz a Blackman was "murdered". Told you I was gonna remind you about this post. Enjoy the bumpy rides today.
You got me badbrain. Enjoy the party while it lasts.

Musky, I'd still appreciate an answer to my post from above. To reiterate...

I'm curious why you didn't see this coming. Is it so hard to believe that a person could do something of malicious intent to another person? Now, replace "person" with "police officer" and all of a sudden it's unfathomable?

As an aside, just a comment to you and Nart (and I learn from both of you, regardless of who I agree with) - I think we need to push forward and strive to attain accountability and justice wherever possible, and I don't think adversarial divides are healthy nor productive.

Halifax2TheMax · May 2015

Drowned Out said:

muskydan said:
Anyone see the tweets from that picture of health Michael Moore today??? He must have been really got wasted on twinkles last night.

In the first tweet, sent at 3:16 a.m., Moore wrote: “Imprison u, shoot u, sever your spine, crush your larynx, send u to war, keep u poor, call u a thug, not let u vote. But u can sing for us.”

In the second tweet, sent at 4:03 a.m, he wrote, “Here’s my demand: I want every African-American currently incarcerated for drug ‘crimes’ or nonviolent offenses released from prison today.”

In the final tweet, sent at 5:05 a.m, Moore added, “Next demand: Disarm the police. We have a 1/4 billion 2nd amendment guns in our homes 4 protection. We’ll survive til the right cops r hired.”

I luv this guy……...
You know what? For the most part I agree with him. The penal system is a huge part of the racial divide in your country. And ya....disarm the police. Say it's unrealistic if you want, I don't really care. Police should be peace keepers, and in most instances they seem to escalate any situation they're called to.
oh, and....while you're making fun of Moore's weight....chew on this:
http://time.com/3637967/police-officers-fattest-profession-study/
oink oink
muskydan said:

Last-12-Exit said:
What is second degree depraved-heart murder? Did I read that right?
I don't know what the hell that is…shocking stuff thou. I can honestly say I did not see this coming. stay safe
I guess not:
muskydan said:
Wait till you hear what REALLY Happed to Freddy Grey. Some info should be coming out soon, but the Police still have lots to go through before they conclude and release the official findings to public. And I am not talking about the 22 arrests this upstanding individual was able to achieve in his life. Many people on here are really going to feel stupid and duped, just like they did , or should have After the TRUTH came out about all the Mike Brown NonSence.

Police Fuck up like we all do because afterall they are human, but why The hell are people choosing to rally behind the wrong tragedies??? I will tell you....THE MEDIA. They needed this one.

What the hell are the "Young people" going to do throughout the country when they hear the TRUTH?? You already know the answer to that...

I Can't wait to hear the justifications from some of the leftists best-it's on here....spin it baby, spin it....

Bang you Head...QR

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seriously....'bang your head', coming from the guy who brags about 'bumpy rides'....this is twisted shit.

And to think he was sworn to "serve and protect" the taxpayers of Illinois. What a waste of taxpayer money.

rgambs · May 2015

"Depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is an American legal term for an action where a defendant acts with a "depraved indifference" to human life and where such act results in a death. In a depraved-heart murder a defendant commits an act even though he knows his act runs an unusually high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm to someone else. If the risk of death or bodily harm is great enough, ignoring it demonstrates a "depraved indifference" to human life and the resulting death is considered to have been committed with malice aforethought aka premeditation.[1] In most states, depraved-heart killings constitute second-degree murder.[2]"

rgambs · May 2015

http://time.com/3637967/police-officers-fattest-profession-study/

Thank you Drowned Out for posting this! I have suspected there was an obesity problem on the force for a long time, it's nice to see I was not far off.
It is hard to imagine that this doesn't factor into the policd brutality issue...in a very very tiny way statistically of course.

Last-12-Exit · May 2015

rgambs said:
"Depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is an American legal term for an action where a defendant acts with a "depraved indifference" to human life and where such act results in a death. In a depraved-heart murder a defendant commits an act even though he knows his act runs an unusually high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm to someone else. If the risk of death or bodily harm is great enough, ignoring it demonstrates a "depraved indifference" to human life and the resulting death is considered to have been committed with malice aforethought aka premeditation.[1] In most states, depraved-heart killings constitute second-degree murder.[2]"

Thank you for that explanation. I've never heard of this before. I wonder why this charge was used.

benjs · May 2015

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:
"Depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is an American legal term for an action where a defendant acts with a "depraved indifference" to human life and where such act results in a death. In a depraved-heart murder a defendant commits an act even though he knows his act runs an unusually high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm to someone else. If the risk of death or bodily harm is great enough, ignoring it demonstrates a "depraved indifference" to human life and the resulting death is considered to have been committed with malice aforethought aka premeditation.[1] In most states, depraved-heart killings constitute second-degree murder.[2]"
Thank you for that explanation. I've never heard of this before. I wonder why this charge was used.

It's the charge that best fits the crime, no? A man handcuffed and screaming that he's in agony while sprawled on the floor of a moving vehicle, and an indifferent police force driving happily as though this weren't the case.

Last-12-Exit · May 2015

benjs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:
"Depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is an American legal term for an action where a defendant acts with a "depraved indifference" to human life and where such act results in a death. In a depraved-heart murder a defendant commits an act even though he knows his act runs an unusually high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm to someone else. If the risk of death or bodily harm is great enough, ignoring it demonstrates a "depraved indifference" to human life and the resulting death is considered to have been committed with malice aforethought aka premeditation.[1] In most states, depraved-heart killings constitute second-degree murder.[2]"
Thank you for that explanation. I've never heard of this before. I wonder why this charge was used.
It's the charge that best fits the crime, no? A man handcuffed and screaming that he's in agony while sprawled on the floor of a moving vehicle, and an indifferent police force driving happily as though this weren't the case.

I thought that was manslaughter. Like I said, I've never heard of this charge ever.

Last-12-Exit · May 2015

We're all 6 officers in the van? If Gray was killed from the ride, why would all 6 be charged (if they weren't all in the van)?

Drowned Out · May 2015

Last-12-Exit said:

benjs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:
"Depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is an American legal term for an action where a defendant acts with a "depraved indifference" to human life and where such act results in a death. In a depraved-heart murder a defendant commits an act even though he knows his act runs an unusually high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm to someone else. If the risk of death or bodily harm is great enough, ignoring it demonstrates a "depraved indifference" to human life and the resulting death is considered to have been committed with malice aforethought aka premeditation.[1] In most states, depraved-heart killings constitute second-degree murder.[2]"
Thank you for that explanation. I've never heard of this before. I wonder why this charge was used.
It's the charge that best fits the crime, no? A man handcuffed and screaming that he's in agony while sprawled on the floor of a moving vehicle, and an indifferent police force driving happily as though this weren't the case.
I thought that was manslaughter. Like I said, I've never heard of this charge ever.

Unless there was an intentional 'bumpy ride' involved. And multiple quick stops. A search on this forum will show that this is pretty typical to police both as entertainment and judge/jury/executioner mentality.
In my neck o' the woods (Canadian prairies), it's natives who are usually the victims....and instead of bumpy rides, these fine civil servants drive people to the countryside in the dead of winter and drop them off to find their own way back to the city.

JimmyV · May 2015

benjs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:
"Depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is an American legal term for an action where a defendant acts with a "depraved indifference" to human life and where such act results in a death. In a depraved-heart murder a defendant commits an act even though he knows his act runs an unusually high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm to someone else. If the risk of death or bodily harm is great enough, ignoring it demonstrates a "depraved indifference" to human life and the resulting death is considered to have been committed with malice aforethought aka premeditation.[1] In most states, depraved-heart killings constitute second-degree murder.[2]"
Thank you for that explanation. I've never heard of this before. I wonder why this charge was used.
It's the charge that best fits the crime, no? A man handcuffed and screaming that he's in agony while sprawled on the floor of a moving vehicle, and an indifferent police force driving happily as though this weren't the case.

I don't want to defend these cops because I don't think they deserve it, but I think what you describe happens quite often. Someone is arrested and the cuffs are too tight or their leg hurts or suddenly they are dizzy, etc. I think cops probably have to learn to tune it out. This guy was obviously in legit pain, potentially caused by these cops, so there is no excuse.

Last-12-Exit · May 2015

It sounds like the defense strategy will gear towards the policy of the Baltimore police department rather than the actions of the policeman themselves. This trial will get ugly.

Cliffy6745 · May 2015

Last-12-Exit said:
We're all 6 officers in the van? If Gray was killed from the ride, why would all 6 be charged (if they weren't all in the van)?

Charges vary. Only the driver was charged with murder, I believe.

benjs · May 2015

Last-12-Exit said:

benjs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:
"Depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is an American legal term for an action where a defendant acts with a "depraved indifference" to human life and where such act results in a death. In a depraved-heart murder a defendant commits an act even though he knows his act runs an unusually high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm to someone else. If the risk of death or bodily harm is great enough, ignoring it demonstrates a "depraved indifference" to human life and the resulting death is considered to have been committed with malice aforethought aka premeditation.[1] In most states, depraved-heart killings constitute second-degree murder.[2]"
Thank you for that explanation. I've never heard of this before. I wonder why this charge was used.
It's the charge that best fits the crime, no? A man handcuffed and screaming that he's in agony while sprawled on the floor of a moving vehicle, and an indifferent police force driving happily as though this weren't the case.
I thought that was manslaughter. Like I said, I've never heard of this charge ever.

The major difference is that manslaughter has no associated malice aforethought. Here, they are saying that there was an intent to cause bodily harm, as acknowledged through indifference about placing a person in a potentially lethal situation.

Manslaughter: I was checking my email while driving, and hit a man with my car.
Depraved-indifference murder: I saw and acknowledged a man up ahead, then maintained speed and checked my emails on my phone and hit him.

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