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muskydan

benjs said:

muskydan said:

badbrains said:

muskydan said:

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badbrains said:

I'm wondering if this guy was hog tied and put in the van without being restrained to anything and they did as muskydan loves to brag about, bumpy ride to the station, only prob slammed their brakes and this guy went flying into the front of the van and severed his spine. My guess

Laughable………..

Pay attention to the live footage of this savage behavior guys and more importantly watch you're backs. Don't get caught with your pants down in the WRONG area wherever you may reside.

Who's laughing now? Prob you still cuz a Blackman was "murdered". Told you I was gonna remind you about this post. Enjoy the bumpy rides today.

You got me badbrain. Enjoy the party while it lasts.

Musky, I'd still appreciate an answer to my post from above. To reiterate...

I'm curious why you didn't see this coming. Is it so hard to believe that a person could do something of malicious intent to another person? Now, replace "person" with "police officer" and all of a sudden it's unfathomable?

As an aside, just a comment to you and Nart (and I learn from both of you, regardless of who I agree with) - I think we need to push forward and strive to attain accountability and justice wherever possible, and I don't think adversarial divides are healthy nor productive.

Will do benjs, I have been knee deep in protests the past 4 days (14 hr days) and today is the last one for a week since I am off to northern Wisco for the fishing Openner. I am totally shot and can't wait to get away from this stuff 4 a few days. I will get bak 2 you when I get back. Today's flavor is the Wonderful Black Bloc.... Go look up this wonderful organization. Good point about the other guys and I's Fued. He no likey me very much. Peace and love , Peace and love

Last-12-Exit

benjs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

benjs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

"Depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is an American legal term for an action where a defendant acts with a "depraved indifference" to human life and where such act results in a death. In a depraved-heart murder a defendant commits an act even though he knows his act runs an unusually high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm to someone else. If the risk of death or bodily harm is great enough, ignoring it demonstrates a "depraved indifference" to human life and the resulting death is considered to have been committed with malice aforethought aka premeditation.[1] In most states, depraved-heart killings constitute second-degree murder.[2]"

Thank you for that explanation. I've never heard of this before. I wonder why this charge was used.

It's the charge that best fits the crime, no? A man handcuffed and screaming that he's in agony while sprawled on the floor of a moving vehicle, and an indifferent police force driving happily as though this weren't the case.

I thought that was manslaughter. Like I said, I've never heard of this charge ever.

The major difference is that manslaughter has no associated malice aforethought. Here, they are saying that there was an intent to cause bodily harm, as acknowledged through indifference about placing a person in a potentially lethal situation.

Manslaughter: I was checking my email while driving, and hit a man with my car.
Depraved-indifference murder: I saw and acknowledged a man up ahead, then maintained speed and checked my emails on my phone and hit him.

Makes sense.

It sounds like a more serious charge than manslaughter. And that there's actual intent.

Last-12-Exit

It is interesting that charges were brought so quickly when you consider the prosecutor is only 35 years old. This could be a great political move for her.

badbrains

muskydan said:

benjs said:

muskydan said:

badbrains said:

muskydan said:

or

badbrains said:

I'm wondering if this guy was hog tied and put in the van without being restrained to anything and they did as muskydan loves to brag about, bumpy ride to the station, only prob slammed their brakes and this guy went flying into the front of the van and severed his spine. My guess

Laughable………..

Pay attention to the live footage of this savage behavior guys and more importantly watch you're backs. Don't get caught with your pants down in the WRONG area wherever you may reside.

Who's laughing now? Prob you still cuz a Blackman was "murdered". Told you I was gonna remind you about this post. Enjoy the bumpy rides today.

You got me badbrain. Enjoy the party while it lasts.

Musky, I'd still appreciate an answer to my post from above. To reiterate...

I'm curious why you didn't see this coming. Is it so hard to believe that a person could do something of malicious intent to another person? Now, replace "person" with "police officer" and all of a sudden it's unfathomable?

As an aside, just a comment to you and Nart (and I learn from both of you, regardless of who I agree with) - I think we need to push forward and strive to attain accountability and justice wherever possible, and I don't think adversarial divides are healthy nor productive.

Will do benjs, I have been knee deep in protests the past 4 days (14 hr days) and today is the last one for a week since I am off to northern Wisco for the fishing Openner. I am totally shot and can't wait to get away from this stuff 4 a few days. I will get bak 2 you when I get back. Today's flavor is the Wonderful Black Bloc.... Go look up this wonderful organization. Good point about the other guys and I's Fued. He no likey me very much. Peace and love , Peace and love

I'm waiting for an answer as well Dan, you gonna shoot me? Take me for a bumpy ride down the south side of Chicago or wherever the shitty side of town is?

Last-12-Exit

As much as I hate Cnn's Sonny Hostin, she makes a good point. In order to prove that the driver killed gray by driving carelessly, she will almost have to have testimony from one of the other officers. How can they prove otherwise?

There's no way any of those 5 other officers turn on the driver is there??? Even to save their own ass.

hedonist

Heartening to see these photos - moreso to know there are others out there like them.

http://acidcow.com/pics/70400-baltimore-protest-pictures-the-media-isnt-showing.html

dignin

Last-12-Exit said:

As much as I hate Cnn's Sonny Hostin, she makes a good point. In order to prove that the driver killed gray by driving carelessly, she will almost have to have testimony from one of the other officers. How can they prove otherwise?

There's no way any of those 5 other officers turn on the driver is there??? Even to save their own ass.

Criminals turn on each other all the time for a lighter sentence.

backseatLover12

Interesting that the riots, as bad as they were, caused the nation to look at Baltimore, which led to the charging of the 6 cops in the Freddie Gray death.

Without the riots, would this have happened??

JimmyV

backseatLover12 said:

Interesting that the riots, as bad as they were, caused the nation to look at Baltimore, which led to the charging of the 6 cops in the Freddie Gray death.

Without the riots, would this have happened??

I hope the prosecutor brought these charges because the evidence warranted it, not because of the riots. Prosecuting because of public pressure isn't how the system is supposed to work any more than police killing a young man in their custody is.

WhatYouTaughtMe

Last-12-Exit said:

As much as I hate Cnn's Sonny Hostin, she makes a good point. In order to prove that the driver killed gray by driving carelessly, she will almost have to have testimony from one of the other officers. How can they prove otherwise?

There's no way any of those 5 other officers turn on the driver is there??? Even to save their own ass.

My take is they are charging him for stopping the vehicle and checking on him multiple times without providing him medical attention. Yes they need some kind of testimony from the officers or the other prisoner to prove it. Maybe they weren't slamming him around the back of the van. I'm sure the prosecutor has much more info than I, hence the charges. It will be interesting to see how solid the case is. I hope they wouldn't bring a weak case if these guys didn't do what they are accused of. The resulting not guilty verdicts would make this last week look minor.

dignin

JimmyV said:

backseatLover12 said:

Interesting that the riots, as bad as they were, caused the nation to look at Baltimore, which led to the charging of the 6 cops in the Freddie Gray death.

Without the riots, would this have happened??

I hope the prosecutor brought these charges because the evidence warranted it, not because of the riots. Prosecuting because of public pressure isn't how the system is supposed to work any more than police killing a young man in their custody is.

Did you watch the show The Wire?

dignin

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/30/baltimore-rioters-parents-500000-bail-allen-bullock


Baltimore rioter turned himself in – but family can't afford $500,000 bail

JimmyV

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

backseatLover12 said:

Interesting that the riots, as bad as they were, caused the nation to look at Baltimore, which led to the charging of the 6 cops in the Freddie Gray death.

Without the riots, would this have happened??

I hope the prosecutor brought these charges because the evidence warranted it, not because of the riots. Prosecuting because of public pressure isn't how the system is supposed to work any more than police killing a young man in their custody is.

Did you watch the show The Wire?

Recommended it as a documentary earlier in the thread!

hedonist

I've heard SO many raves about this show and have yet to watch it. Will have to search it out (but no Netflix or HBO anymore).

Dirtie_Frank

http://liveblogwp.wtop.com/Event/Protests_in_Baltimore_turn_violent

Mug shots of the 6 cops

dignin

hedonist said:

I've heard SO many raves about this show and have yet to watch it. Will have to search it out (but no Netflix or HBO anymore).

I envy you and the chance to watch it for the first time. It's that good.

Bentleyspop

dignin said:

hedonist said:

I've heard SO many raves about this show and have yet to watch it. Will have to search it out (but no Netflix or HBO anymore).

I envy you and the chance to watch it for the first time. It's that good.

Having lived in Baltimore City while they were filming Homicide and then for a couple of years afterwards I can attest to the genius that is The Wire. So much so that I have watched it from beginning to end at least 6 times.

OMAR'S COMING!!

HughFreakingDillon

backseatLover12 said:

Interesting that the riots, as bad as they were, caused the nation to look at Baltimore, which led to the charging of the 6 cops in the Freddie Gray death.

Without the riots, would this have happened??

The riots had zero to do with these cops being charged. The medical examiners findings were the reason.

HughFreakingDillon

dignin said:

hedonist said:

I've heard SO many raves about this show and have yet to watch it. Will have to search it out (but no Netflix or HBO anymore).

I envy you and the chance to watch it for the first time. It's that good.

Thanks for the rec. i shall check it out as well.

hedonist

Bentleyspop said:

dignin said:

hedonist said:

I've heard SO many raves about this show and have yet to watch it. Will have to search it out (but no Netflix or HBO anymore).

I envy you and the chance to watch it for the first time. It's that good.

Having lived in Baltimore City while they were filming Homicide and then for a couple of years afterwards I can attest to the genius that is The Wire. So much so that I have watched it from beginning to end at least 6 times.

OMAR'S COMING!!

Bentley, Homicide is one of my most beloved series. It was absolute beauty in every single aspect.

I don't know how I'll access it in a watchable mode (refuse to use a laptop for that, seems like this is quality-tv material), so if I end up buying the dvd's, I'm willing to pass them on to Hugh or anyone else after I watch