Things you CANT make up haha

dignin · April 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:
I personally don't believe in evil. just some humans are assholes.

Me too. The word makes me cringe when I hear it. It has so much religious baggage.

whispering hands · April 2015

hedonist said:

whispering hands said:
I can only apologize for it sounding that way. As for settling the score that lies upon the age old score in battle between good and evil. Period. It has nothing to do with neener neener, or anything. I have tried my best to present my faith, and to hopefully shed light into areas of question.. Though a queried mind will always remain wondering, such is the way of human nature, so while I can't answer all of joy guys' questions, I have done my best to answer what I could.
No need for me to pm you on this; I won't pry (though you put it out there!) and wouldn't expect you to keep defending yourself/your beliefs. They're yours as OURS are ours - and my point was, don't make yours, mine. And don't tsk-tsk me for it (it did come across that way, more than once).

Settling the score - still don't get that. If the rapture is indeed about good vs evil, what does it say about those who won't be lifted. Am I considered evil?

And again, the animals?

(also, do you not have a "preview" function where you can edit before posting? The typos and odd sentence breaks are fucking with me )

What do you mean by 'the animals'?

And yes I have the preview option, I have yet to ever so wisely make use of it! ;-)
It makes things more entertaining, if not equally aggravating.

HughFreakingDillon · April 2015

whispering hands said:

hedonist said:

whispering hands said:
I can only apologize for it sounding that way. As for settling the score that lies upon the age old score in battle between good and evil. Period. It has nothing to do with neener neener, or anything. I have tried my best to present my faith, and to hopefully shed light into areas of question.. Though a queried mind will always remain wondering, such is the way of human nature, so while I can't answer all of joy guys' questions, I have done my best to answer what I could.
No need for me to pm you on this; I won't pry (though you put it out there!) and wouldn't expect you to keep defending yourself/your beliefs. They're yours as OURS are ours - and my point was, don't make yours, mine. And don't tsk-tsk me for it (it did come across that way, more than once).

Settling the score - still don't get that. If the rapture is indeed about good vs evil, what does it say about those who won't be lifted. Am I considered evil?

And again, the animals?

(also, do you not have a "preview" function where you can edit before posting? The typos and odd sentence breaks are fucking with me )

What do you mean by 'the animals'?

And yes I have the preview option, I have yet to ever so wisely make use of it! ;-)
It makes things more entertaining, if not equally aggravating.

like, literally, animals. dogs, cats, cows, meese. etc.

whispering hands · April 2015

You don't want to know the answer to
The question of what happens to those who remain! lol, but let's just say it's the basis upon which, many preachers cast the whke Fire and Brimmstone sermons. Like I said earlier. It boils down to a choice.. Period, you choose to believe or not.
And I respect you, at least you have fairly asked questions, with no animosity, no judgement, just pure curiosity. And I appreciate that. I will never again brow beat somebody into Salvation, as we call it. ( basically believing) I now know that the best way to present the teachings of Christ is to live them out day by day. Something's require faith, a LOT of it. Like what I'm going through now.. I have no idea, if what I'm experiencing physically is life threatening. Not until I go see the doctor on Tuesday and request testing.. But it's bad enough that I've handed over the keys to my car, because after two days ago, I don't feel it's safe for me to be on the road; in control of a 2000 lb vehicle, when I can't control the sudden muscle spasms in my arms and legs, and I can't control the sudden fatigue burnout.. So I had to make a very hard decision. But I
Have FAITH.. That there is a purpose to my going through this..

And my being HERE in these forums is another faith issue. Why AM I still here. I believe there is a reason. I was perfectly content letting my membership go. A little whiny.. Yeah, my human nature decided to show a little.. I've been here on these forums for twenty years now.. So I got attached to the idea of long distance friends.. But I was willing to walk away.. But that's not what happened, is it?? So faith is everywhere, for me., I just have to wait things out and see what happens for myself.

But again. Thank you for the honest debate.

HughFreakingDillon · April 2015

Last-12-Exit said:
How did the idea of the rapture even take hold in christianity? It isn't even mentioned in the bible is it?

as far as I've been told, there is much debate as to whether the book of revelations should even be one of the "accepted canons".

rgambs · April 2015

whispering hands said:
You don't want to know the answer to
The question of what happens to those who remain! lol, but let's just say it's the basis upon which, many preachers cast the whke Fire and Brimmstone sermons. Like I said earlier. It boils down to a choice.. Period, you choose to believe or not.
And I respect you, at least you have fairly asked questions, with no animosity, no judgement, just pure curiosity. And I appreciate that. I will never again brow beat somebody into Salvation, as we call it. ( basically believing) I now know that the best way to present the teachings of Christ is to live them out day by day. Something's require faith, a LOT of it. Like what I'm going through now.. I have no idea, if what I'm experiencing physically is life threatening. Not until I go see the doctor on Tuesday and request testing.. But it's bad enough that I've handed over the keys to my car, because after two days ago, I don't feel it's safe for me to be on the road; in control of a 2000 lb vehicle, when I can't control the sudden muscle spasms in my arms and legs, and I can't control the sudden fatigue burnout.. So I had to make a very hard decision. But I
Have FAITH.. That there is a purpose to my going through this..

And my being HERE in these forums is another faith issue. Why AM I still here. I believe there is a reason. I was perfectly content letting my membership go. A little whiny.. Yeah, my human nature decided to show a little.. I've been here on these forums for twenty years now.. So I got attached to the idea of long distance friends.. But I was willing to walk away.. But that's not what happened, is it?? So faith is everywhere, for me., I just have to wait things out and see what happens for myself.

But again. Thank you for the honest debate.

You don't have a problem with a God that thinks it is ok to torture It's subject for disbelief??
I can't see how a compassionate person like you doesn't struggle with this.

whispering hands · April 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:

whispering hands said:

hedonist said:

whispering hands said:
I can only apologize for it sounding that way. As for settling the score that lies upon the age old score in battle between good and evil. Period. It has nothing to do with neener neener, or anything. I have tried my best to present my faith, and to hopefully shed light into areas of question.. Though a queried mind will always remain wondering, such is the way of human nature, so while I can't answer all of joy guys' questions, I have done my best to answer what I could.
No need for me to pm you on this; I won't pry (though you put it out there!) and wouldn't expect you to keep defending yourself/your beliefs. They're yours as OURS are ours - and my point was, don't make yours, mine. And don't tsk-tsk me for it (it did come across that way, more than once).

Settling the score - still don't get that. If the rapture is indeed about good vs evil, what does it say about those who won't be lifted. Am I considered evil?

And again, the animals?

(also, do you not have a "preview" function where you can edit before posting? The typos and odd sentence breaks are fucking with me )

What do you mean by 'the animals'?

And yes I have the preview option, I have yet to ever so wisely make use of it! ;-)
It makes things more entertaining, if not equally aggravating.
like, literally, animals. dogs, cats, cows, meese. etc.

I honestly don't know. I do know that everything was designed with purpose, all the way down to the beginning of the earth, Dinosaurs etc.. Horses are mentioned in the book of revelations, but as for animals in general, I would hope that as innocents, they would be saved..but I honestly can' answer that.

whispering hands · April 2015

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:
You don't want to know the answer to
The question of what happens to those who remain! lol, but let's just say it's the basis upon which, many preachers cast the whke Fire and Brimmstone sermons. Like I said earlier. It boils down to a choice.. Period, you choose to believe or not.
And I respect you, at least you have fairly asked questions, with no animosity, no judgement, just pure curiosity. And I appreciate that. I will never again brow beat somebody into Salvation, as we call it. ( basically believing) I now know that the best way to present the teachings of Christ is to live them out day by day. Something's require faith, a LOT of it. Like what I'm going through now.. I have no idea, if what I'm experiencing physically is life threatening. Not until I go see the doctor on Tuesday and request testing.. But it's bad enough that I've handed over the keys to my car, because after two days ago, I don't feel it's safe for me to be on the road; in control of a 2000 lb vehicle, when I can't control the sudden muscle spasms in my arms and legs, and I can't control the sudden fatigue burnout.. So I had to make a very hard decision. But I
Have FAITH.. That there is a purpose to my going through this..

And my being HERE in these forums is another faith issue. Why AM I still here. I believe there is a reason. I was perfectly content letting my membership go. A little whiny.. Yeah, my human nature decided to show a little.. I've been here on these forums for twenty years now.. So I got attached to the idea of long distance friends.. But I was willing to walk away.. But that's not what happened, is it?? So faith is everywhere, for me., I just have to wait things out and see what happens for myself.

But again. Thank you for the honest debate.
You don't have a problem with a God that thinks it is ok to torture It's subject for disbelief??
I can't see how a compassionate person like you doesn't struggle with this.

. Like I said. It boils down to a choice.
In the end.. We are accountable for our every thought action and impositions. Period. This judgement that comes, will be based upon the things we did whke choosing to either bieve or disbelieve, if you choose to disbelieve, then YOU pay that price. But if you choose to believe that when Christ died..( I know you don't think he existed..) hePAID that price for those who DO believe.
I'm not dure if that makes anymore sense.. I may have just confused you more, which is why I feel I shouldn't be the one trying to explain this..:-)

whispering hands · April 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:

whispering hands said:
I can only apologize for it sounding that way. As for settling the score that lies upon the age old score in battle between good and evil. Period. It has nothing to do with neener neener, or anything. I have tried my best to present my faith, and to hopefully shed light into areas of question.. Though a queried mind will always remain wondering, such is the way of human nature, so while I can't answer all of joy guys' questions, I have done my best to answer what I could.

As for prayer, it is a practice in FAITH. Sometimes, they go unanswered. Sometimes, like in the case of the little boy with the broken leg.. ( let me just re-iterate, we were in them mountains of HAITI.. There are no doctors there to 'cast' broken bones.. It was just his swollen, blistered and mangled leg., he was sick, probably from infection... I walked over, he spoke English, I asked him if I could pray for him, because I felt bad, and to be honest, led to do do in my spirit. He hobbled away, ghe next morning he came running I to camp shout Jezu Alleaveh.. Which in Creole means Jesus lives. He ran and played with his friends, telling everyone who's listen about the encounter.. It didn't end all sweet and nice.. It ended with a VooDoo chapter from the hills above threatening our lives.. There's a bit more than just that to it though..) I didn't know if my prayer would work... Shit, I was still stuck on you had to be all holy when you prayed.. But it DID work, and there was NO denying a greater force that day. And that day set in motion the end of the missions trip, which was to go dig a well for that community, and build them a school house. It challenged the VooDoo belief so much so, that they threatened to burn the village down if we were still there.. In the end, between that and the political discourse in Haiti in 1985-6, we were forced out. But it still to this day is an encouragement to me. I KNOW my faith has effect now. I can now no longer say, but it's just me.. God won't hear my insignificant little prayer.. Cause after that experience I now know ghe power if prayer; an exercise in faith.

So, I guess if you have any further questions, you may PM me. As for further debate, I don't feel I am able to fairly debate this, as I am still learning the truth behind what I read now. ( back in the day, I had it ALLL twisted.. I was ghe living version of Metallica's Hollier Than Thou. I was the reason most of you probably dislike Christians.. Now I am
Learning that it's true purpose is love, humility, and Grace.. Things that naturally unnatural to the HUMAN concept.)
I can only speak for myself. I don't dislike ALL christians. I dislike some humans who happen to be christian. a lot of non-christians display the same type of behaviour as some christians do, and not even spiritual ones. some people are car salesmen, some aren't.

I think a lot of people start out as holier than thou. not sure why, but I can only guess that it's because they are so excited about their newfound ideas/personal truth/etc, that they can't understand why someone would reject their attempts to share those ideas with them, but they don't realize that it is an incredibly personal choice and people feel intruded upon when someone is in their face challenging their beliefs as incorrect. at least that's what I got from my experience with my brother when he had his "epiphany" or whatever you want to call it in his 20's.

I whole heartedly agree with you on these points.

jeffbr · April 2015

badbrains said:

jeffbr said:

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jason P said:
I would go to church more often if this guy was my local preacher ...

WTF??? LMAO!!!

"here I stand, wielding the suit jacket of PENNANCE!! come before me, so thou can be sacrificed to the will of the thread!!!"

Oh lordy, I'll bet these folks are the type who spout gibberish on purpose and then claim the spirit took them and spoke through them. Look at the way they take a dive after getting hit...shameful, even worse than futbol!
Lol, they should all get yellow cards for simulation.

Jebus, those people are wacky.
Fuck that Jeff, straight reds for all of them.

Yes! Especially the preacher. I'd send him off and give him a 3 match ban for violent conduct.

Gern Blansten · April 2015

People get embalmed when they die so that they can be resurrected. I'm not saying that everyone does that with resurrection in mind but that's the idea behind it. Some churches actively still preach that stuff.

If you are cremated you ain't coming back when Jebus starts the party bus

HughFreakingDillon · April 2015

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:
You don't want to know the answer to
The question of what happens to those who remain! lol, but let's just say it's the basis upon which, many preachers cast the whke Fire and Brimmstone sermons. Like I said earlier. It boils down to a choice.. Period, you choose to believe or not.
And I respect you, at least you have fairly asked questions, with no animosity, no judgement, just pure curiosity. And I appreciate that. I will never again brow beat somebody into Salvation, as we call it. ( basically believing) I now know that the best way to present the teachings of Christ is to live them out day by day. Something's require faith, a LOT of it. Like what I'm going through now.. I have no idea, if what I'm experiencing physically is life threatening. Not until I go see the doctor on Tuesday and request testing.. But it's bad enough that I've handed over the keys to my car, because after two days ago, I don't feel it's safe for me to be on the road; in control of a 2000 lb vehicle, when I can't control the sudden muscle spasms in my arms and legs, and I can't control the sudden fatigue burnout.. So I had to make a very hard decision. But I
Have FAITH.. That there is a purpose to my going through this..

And my being HERE in these forums is another faith issue. Why AM I still here. I believe there is a reason. I was perfectly content letting my membership go. A little whiny.. Yeah, my human nature decided to show a little.. I've been here on these forums for twenty years now.. So I got attached to the idea of long distance friends.. But I was willing to walk away.. But that's not what happened, is it?? So faith is everywhere, for me., I just have to wait things out and see what happens for myself.

But again. Thank you for the honest debate.
You don't have a problem with a God that thinks it is ok to torture It's subject for disbelief??
I can't see how a compassionate person like you doesn't struggle with this.
. Like I said. It boils down to a choice.
In the end.. We are accountable for our every thought action and impositions. Period. This judgement that comes, will be based upon the things we did whke choosing to either bieve or disbelieve, if you choose to disbelieve, then YOU pay that price. But if you choose to believe that when Christ died..( I know you don't think he existed..) hePAID that price for those who DO believe.
I'm not dure if that makes anymore sense.. I may have just confused you more, which is why I feel I shouldn't be the one trying to explain this..:-)

and this is the crux of the problem a lot of people have with religion. if we are god's children, it is the opinion of many that he should love us unconditionally, as I love my children unconditionally. if they choose a different path than I have set out for them, I will not abandon them for that, for they have free will, they are not perfect, etc. I will love them no matter what they do.

so for "the father" to say "fuck you, I created you, and you did not follow my teachings, here, you shall live in hell for all eternity with all of your hethen brothers and sisters and suffer under the rule of the fallen angel" is just downright shitty. and I personally cannot subscribe to the notion of a god that would treat his children in that manner. people call him all loving and merciful. that's actually the very opposite of those two things.

if he knew that many would reject him, it makes no sense that he gave us free will. and this is why so many reject it: it seems as though it is an ideology based on fear of the individual: follow us and give us money, or you will live in hell forever. to me, that's just a way of controlling people, not saving them.

rgambs · April 2015

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:
You don't want to know the answer to
The question of what happens to those who remain! lol, but let's just say it's the basis upon which, many preachers cast the whke Fire and Brimmstone sermons. Like I said earlier. It boils down to a choice.. Period, you choose to believe or not.
And I respect you, at least you have fairly asked questions, with no animosity, no judgement, just pure curiosity. And I appreciate that. I will never again brow beat somebody into Salvation, as we call it. ( basically believing) I now know that the best way to present the teachings of Christ is to live them out day by day. Something's require faith, a LOT of it. Like what I'm going through now.. I have no idea, if what I'm experiencing physically is life threatening. Not until I go see the doctor on Tuesday and request testing.. But it's bad enough that I've handed over the keys to my car, because after two days ago, I don't feel it's safe for me to be on the road; in control of a 2000 lb vehicle, when I can't control the sudden muscle spasms in my arms and legs, and I can't control the sudden fatigue burnout.. So I had to make a very hard decision. But I
Have FAITH.. That there is a purpose to my going through this..

And my being HERE in these forums is another faith issue. Why AM I still here. I believe there is a reason. I was perfectly content letting my membership go. A little whiny.. Yeah, my human nature decided to show a little.. I've been here on these forums for twenty years now.. So I got attached to the idea of long distance friends.. But I was willing to walk away.. But that's not what happened, is it?? So faith is everywhere, for me., I just have to wait things out and see what happens for myself.

But again. Thank you for the honest debate.
You don't have a problem with a God that thinks it is ok to torture It's subject for disbelief??
I can't see how a compassionate person like you doesn't struggle with this.
. Like I said. It boils down to a choice.
In the end.. We are accountable for our every thought action and impositions. Period. This judgement that comes, will be based upon the things we did whke choosing to either bieve or disbelieve, if you choose to disbelieve, then YOU pay that price. But if you choose to believe that when Christ died..( I know you don't think he existed..) hePAID that price for those who DO believe.
I'm not dure if that makes anymore sense.. I may have just confused you more, which is why I feel I shouldn't be the one trying to explain this..:-)

I just can't stand behind the extreme vanity of "worship me and my son or I will burn you for eternity"

There are millions if not billions of people who lead compassionate lives, sowing peace throughout their communities, and helping to alleviate suffering where they can, all without a touch of Jesus worship. A God who condemns out of vanity is beneath my code of moral standards.

jeffbr · April 2015

Gern Blansten said:
People get embalmed when they die so that they can be resurrected. I'm not saying that everyone does that with resurrection in mind but that's the idea behind it. Some churches actively still preach that stuff.

If you are cremated you ain't coming back when Jebus starts the party bus

Weird, I thought these deities were omniscient, omnipresent and all powerful. You'd think they'd be able to gather up all the little ashes and bits, and make a new body! And what happens to those poor believers who die is fiery car crashes, or house fires? Will they be SOL?

I'm good with being cremated. No service, no fancy urn, no burial plot or mausoleum. Toss my ashes in a landfill, spread them around the town, throw them in a stash box. I'll be long past caring at that point.

Godfather. · April 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

whispering hands said:
I wish I could explain how simple it is.. And as for Jesus existing.. Yes, historically he DID exist.. You need to examine that history.. There IS historical proof of acounts that took place in the Bible.

As for fact based minds.. I feel
Bad for those types.. Because you have no ability to grasp alternate aspects of our world. As a Christian we call this outside force if you will God. I have no
Idea what the atheists refer to it as.. Or if you even acknowledge that there IS something beyond our mortal 'natural' comprehension, that is out there. Science only covers so much. I have seen people healed through my prayers. And I'm not a charlatan preacher seeding 'lame' folks into my audience, yet when I was 13, I prayed over a child with a broken leg, and the very next day, saw that same child RUN into our encampment yelling in Creole that he woke up and he could walk.. He hobbled home on crutches, leg still broken, and it was OBVIOUSLY broken... But tan back to school the next day.. That kid was in our camp for the rest of the summer, begging us to teach him about God do he could share with his friends.. It was the ONLY time I ever saw anything like that other than TV evangelists, or sponsored productions. But after that.. Even when I walked away from my faith.. I still KNEW there was a God. So no one can sway my belief.. I'be SEEN MIRACLES.. And I know. But how sad that people can't wrap
Their heads around something as simple as.. Believe..
Faith, some have it some do not.
I am glad to see you do.

Godfather.

do you believe a broken leg can be healed by human prayer?

I believe in prayer,I've seen something that enforces that but my statement to her was about her faith not healing.
and I am not hoping for the total disturction of the world, I personally don't know anybody that is..not even the Christians I know wish that.
and as your sig. says "be kind" right ? not a bad idea for all of us.

Godfather.

don't want to answer the question, then?

and whispering basically stated outright that is looking forward to the second coming. this occurs during the rapture/apocalypse, right?

bachmann is a christian. and she is "thanking" obama for bringing the end times nearer, as she puts it. there was that guy who had a radio show who bilked millions from other christians who were marking the rapture on their calendar like it was a family vacation.
if I do what then ? I get into a debate with you and the rest of the non belivers ? I'm not asking you or anybody to change your view so why is so important to and some others to make jokes about a believers faith ? I am not a perfect Christian and I don't stand still in the storm ...so to speak.
if you have issues about Christ and need some kind of guidance I hope you find it but I really don't need to explain anything about my faith to espically you as you were once a beliver.

Godfather.

then the discussion continues organically, as it should. I'm not asking you to change your view, I'm trying to ascertain what it is. I have no issues about christ. I don't believe he existed (I have admittedly gone back and forth on the historical "evidence" of such, but either way, whether he was a real man or not is irrelevant to me....there have been zillions of men) and I get my guidance from experience and my parents and others I respect.

I only really make jokes about the extremists, like the people in that GIF posted above. I can only assume you don't fall into that category.

you can ask me questions about my beliefs in extra terrestrials, and make fun throughout that entire thread (there's like 3 pages in a row of just you making alien jokes), but when I ask you a legitimate question about your beliefs, you clam up and go on the defensive claiming you don't have to explain anything to me. Especially to me? not sure why that is. many people grew up believers, for no other reason than indoctrination. a very small portion of the christian population makes the independent choice to believe. they are taught it as fact from birth. so yes, I once believed, but not of my own valition.

I came to the conclusion as a pre-teen that, in my opinion, it was all made up stories for people who are weak minded. I no longer hold that specific position (the weak-minded part), because we all need something to keep us sane. And that position would be inherently judgemental, which I try (and sometimes fail) not to be.

if you don't want to discuss your beliefs, I'm really not clear as to why you continue to enter the conversations.

I always thought my faith was pretty open on here

HughFreakingDillon · April 2015

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

whispering hands said:
I wish I could explain how simple it is.. And as for Jesus existing.. Yes, historically he DID exist.. You need to examine that history.. There IS historical proof of acounts that took place in the Bible.

As for fact based minds.. I feel
Bad for those types.. Because you have no ability to grasp alternate aspects of our world. As a Christian we call this outside force if you will God. I have no
Idea what the atheists refer to it as.. Or if you even acknowledge that there IS something beyond our mortal 'natural' comprehension, that is out there. Science only covers so much. I have seen people healed through my prayers. And I'm not a charlatan preacher seeding 'lame' folks into my audience, yet when I was 13, I prayed over a child with a broken leg, and the very next day, saw that same child RUN into our encampment yelling in Creole that he woke up and he could walk.. He hobbled home on crutches, leg still broken, and it was OBVIOUSLY broken... But tan back to school the next day.. That kid was in our camp for the rest of the summer, begging us to teach him about God do he could share with his friends.. It was the ONLY time I ever saw anything like that other than TV evangelists, or sponsored productions. But after that.. Even when I walked away from my faith.. I still KNEW there was a God. So no one can sway my belief.. I'be SEEN MIRACLES.. And I know. But how sad that people can't wrap
Their heads around something as simple as.. Believe..
Faith, some have it some do not.
I am glad to see you do.

Godfather.

do you believe a broken leg can be healed by human prayer?

I believe in prayer,I've seen something that enforces that but my statement to her was about her faith not healing.
and I am not hoping for the total disturction of the world, I personally don't know anybody that is..not even the Christians I know wish that.
and as your sig. says "be kind" right ? not a bad idea for all of us.

Godfather.

don't want to answer the question, then?

and whispering basically stated outright that is looking forward to the second coming. this occurs during the rapture/apocalypse, right?

bachmann is a christian. and she is "thanking" obama for bringing the end times nearer, as she puts it. there was that guy who had a radio show who bilked millions from other christians who were marking the rapture on their calendar like it was a family vacation.
if I do what then ? I get into a debate with you and the rest of the non belivers ? I'm not asking you or anybody to change your view so why is so important to and some others to make jokes about a believers faith ? I am not a perfect Christian and I don't stand still in the storm ...so to speak.
if you have issues about Christ and need some kind of guidance I hope you find it but I really don't need to explain anything about my faith to espically you as you were once a beliver.

Godfather.

then the discussion continues organically, as it should. I'm not asking you to change your view, I'm trying to ascertain what it is. I have no issues about christ. I don't believe he existed (I have admittedly gone back and forth on the historical "evidence" of such, but either way, whether he was a real man or not is irrelevant to me....there have been zillions of men) and I get my guidance from experience and my parents and others I respect.

I only really make jokes about the extremists, like the people in that GIF posted above. I can only assume you don't fall into that category.

you can ask me questions about my beliefs in extra terrestrials, and make fun throughout that entire thread (there's like 3 pages in a row of just you making alien jokes), but when I ask you a legitimate question about your beliefs, you clam up and go on the defensive claiming you don't have to explain anything to me. Especially to me? not sure why that is. many people grew up believers, for no other reason than indoctrination. a very small portion of the christian population makes the independent choice to believe. they are taught it as fact from birth. so yes, I once believed, but not of my own valition.

I came to the conclusion as a pre-teen that, in my opinion, it was all made up stories for people who are weak minded. I no longer hold that specific position (the weak-minded part), because we all need something to keep us sane. And that position would be inherently judgemental, which I try (and sometimes fail) not to be.

if you don't want to discuss your beliefs, I'm really not clear as to why you continue to enter the conversations.

I always thought my faith was pretty open on here

in a general sense, yes. but I asked a simple question, and you refuse to answer for, I can only assume, fear of mockery. I'm not mocking anyone. I sincerely want to know if and maybe why someone would believe something they believe, as you do the same with other things. if you believe someone can be healed through prayer, by all means, tell us the story of why.

I never said whispering was lying about what she saw. I just disagree as to how/why it occured. if you have an experience you'd be inclined to share to tell us why you believe something you do, by all means, share away. if you don't wish to, fine, but don't paint it as "I don't owe you anything". nobody here owes anyone anything. we're all just hear to discuss. no need to play passive/agressive.

Godfather. · April 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

whispering hands said:
I wish I could explain how simple it is.. And as for Jesus existing.. Yes, historically he DID exist.. You need to examine that history.. There IS historical proof of acounts that took place in the Bible.

As for fact based minds.. I feel
Bad for those types.. Because you have no ability to grasp alternate aspects of our world. As a Christian we call this outside force if you will God. I have no
Idea what the atheists refer to it as.. Or if you even acknowledge that there IS something beyond our mortal 'natural' comprehension, that is out there. Science only covers so much. I have seen people healed through my prayers. And I'm not a charlatan preacher seeding 'lame' folks into my audience, yet when I was 13, I prayed over a child with a broken leg, and the very next day, saw that same child RUN into our encampment yelling in Creole that he woke up and he could walk.. He hobbled home on crutches, leg still broken, and it was OBVIOUSLY broken... But tan back to school the next day.. That kid was in our camp for the rest of the summer, begging us to teach him about God do he could share with his friends.. It was the ONLY time I ever saw anything like that other than TV evangelists, or sponsored productions. But after that.. Even when I walked away from my faith.. I still KNEW there was a God. So no one can sway my belief.. I'be SEEN MIRACLES.. And I know. But how sad that people can't wrap
Their heads around something as simple as.. Believe..
Faith, some have it some do not.
I am glad to see you do.

Godfather.

do you believe a broken leg can be healed by human prayer?

I believe in prayer,I've seen something that enforces that but my statement to her was about her faith not healing.
and I am not hoping for the total disturction of the world, I personally don't know anybody that is..not even the Christians I know wish that.
and as your sig. says "be kind" right ? not a bad idea for all of us.

Godfather.

don't want to answer the question, then?

and whispering basically stated outright that is looking forward to the second coming. this occurs during the rapture/apocalypse, right?

bachmann is a christian. and she is "thanking" obama for bringing the end times nearer, as she puts it. there was that guy who had a radio show who bilked millions from other christians who were marking the rapture on their calendar like it was a family vacation.
if I do what then ? I get into a debate with you and the rest of the non belivers ? I'm not asking you or anybody to change your view so why is so important to and some others to make jokes about a believers faith ? I am not a perfect Christian and I don't stand still in the storm ...so to speak.
if you have issues about Christ and need some kind of guidance I hope you find it but I really don't need to explain anything about my faith to espically you as you were once a beliver.

Godfather.

then the discussion continues organically, as it should. I'm not asking you to change your view, I'm trying to ascertain what it is. I have no issues about christ. I don't believe he existed (I have admittedly gone back and forth on the historical "evidence" of such, but either way, whether he was a real man or not is irrelevant to me....there have been zillions of men) and I get my guidance from experience and my parents and others I respect.

I only really make jokes about the extremists, like the people in that GIF posted above. I can only assume you don't fall into that category.

you can ask me questions about my beliefs in extra terrestrials, and make fun throughout that entire thread (there's like 3 pages in a row of just you making alien jokes), but when I ask you a legitimate question about your beliefs, you clam up and go on the defensive claiming you don't have to explain anything to me. Especially to me? not sure why that is. many people grew up believers, for no other reason than indoctrination. a very small portion of the christian population makes the independent choice to believe. they are taught it as fact from birth. so yes, I once believed, but not of my own valition.

I came to the conclusion as a pre-teen that, in my opinion, it was all made up stories for people who are weak minded. I no longer hold that specific position (the weak-minded part), because we all need something to keep us sane. And that position would be inherently judgemental, which I try (and sometimes fail) not to be.

if you don't want to discuss your beliefs, I'm really not clear as to why you continue to enter the conversations.

I always thought my faith was pretty open on here

in a general sense, yes. but I asked a simple question, and you refuse to answer for, I can only assume, fear of mockery. I'm not mocking anyone. I sincerely want to know if and maybe why someone would believe something they believe, as you do the same with other things. if you believe someone can be healed through prayer, by all means, tell us the story of why.

I never said whispering was lying about what she saw. I just disagree as to how/why it occured. if you have an experience you'd be inclined to share to tell us why you believe something you do, by all means, share away. if you don't wish to, fine, but don't paint it as "I don't owe you anything". nobody here owes anyone anything. we're all just hear to discuss. no need to play passive/agressive.

cool enough, yes I believe prayer can heal (but I don't dance with snakes) but as I have said I don't really want to get in the story of why,sorry.
if I thought the story I had to tell could make you guys undrstand I would tell it but it's pretty clear that most of the members here have made up thier minds about faith in Christ so I will keep it to myself.

Godfather.

oftenreading · April 2015

whispering hands said:
If nothing else.. No
Matter the subject, my typos remain freakishly hilarious, I'm going to
Laugh allllllll day about do do'ing in my Spirit.. Clean up in Spirit four!

The typos do add a special quality to the posts that is all yours

. I particularly liked "joy guys" - I know you meant "you guys", but "joy guy" is so much better.

HughFreakingDillon · April 2015

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

whispering hands said:
I wish I could explain how simple it is.. And as for Jesus existing.. Yes, historically he DID exist.. You need to examine that history.. There IS historical proof of acounts that took place in the Bible.

As for fact based minds.. I feel
Bad for those types.. Because you have no ability to grasp alternate aspects of our world. As a Christian we call this outside force if you will God. I have no
Idea what the atheists refer to it as.. Or if you even acknowledge that there IS something beyond our mortal 'natural' comprehension, that is out there. Science only covers so much. I have seen people healed through my prayers. And I'm not a charlatan preacher seeding 'lame' folks into my audience, yet when I was 13, I prayed over a child with a broken leg, and the very next day, saw that same child RUN into our encampment yelling in Creole that he woke up and he could walk.. He hobbled home on crutches, leg still broken, and it was OBVIOUSLY broken... But tan back to school the next day.. That kid was in our camp for the rest of the summer, begging us to teach him about God do he could share with his friends.. It was the ONLY time I ever saw anything like that other than TV evangelists, or sponsored productions. But after that.. Even when I walked away from my faith.. I still KNEW there was a God. So no one can sway my belief.. I'be SEEN MIRACLES.. And I know. But how sad that people can't wrap
Their heads around something as simple as.. Believe..
Faith, some have it some do not.
I am glad to see you do.

Godfather.

do you believe a broken leg can be healed by human prayer?

I believe in prayer,I've seen something that enforces that but my statement to her was about her faith not healing.
and I am not hoping for the total disturction of the world, I personally don't know anybody that is..not even the Christians I know wish that.
and as your sig. says "be kind" right ? not a bad idea for all of us.

Godfather.

don't want to answer the question, then?

and whispering basically stated outright that is looking forward to the second coming. this occurs during the rapture/apocalypse, right?

bachmann is a christian. and she is "thanking" obama for bringing the end times nearer, as she puts it. there was that guy who had a radio show who bilked millions from other christians who were marking the rapture on their calendar like it was a family vacation.
if I do what then ? I get into a debate with you and the rest of the non belivers ? I'm not asking you or anybody to change your view so why is so important to and some others to make jokes about a believers faith ? I am not a perfect Christian and I don't stand still in the storm ...so to speak.
if you have issues about Christ and need some kind of guidance I hope you find it but I really don't need to explain anything about my faith to espically you as you were once a beliver.

Godfather.

then the discussion continues organically, as it should. I'm not asking you to change your view, I'm trying to ascertain what it is. I have no issues about christ. I don't believe he existed (I have admittedly gone back and forth on the historical "evidence" of such, but either way, whether he was a real man or not is irrelevant to me....there have been zillions of men) and I get my guidance from experience and my parents and others I respect.

I only really make jokes about the extremists, like the people in that GIF posted above. I can only assume you don't fall into that category.

you can ask me questions about my beliefs in extra terrestrials, and make fun throughout that entire thread (there's like 3 pages in a row of just you making alien jokes), but when I ask you a legitimate question about your beliefs, you clam up and go on the defensive claiming you don't have to explain anything to me. Especially to me? not sure why that is. many people grew up believers, for no other reason than indoctrination. a very small portion of the christian population makes the independent choice to believe. they are taught it as fact from birth. so yes, I once believed, but not of my own valition.

I came to the conclusion as a pre-teen that, in my opinion, it was all made up stories for people who are weak minded. I no longer hold that specific position (the weak-minded part), because we all need something to keep us sane. And that position would be inherently judgemental, which I try (and sometimes fail) not to be.

if you don't want to discuss your beliefs, I'm really not clear as to why you continue to enter the conversations.

I always thought my faith was pretty open on here

in a general sense, yes. but I asked a simple question, and you refuse to answer for, I can only assume, fear of mockery. I'm not mocking anyone. I sincerely want to know if and maybe why someone would believe something they believe, as you do the same with other things. if you believe someone can be healed through prayer, by all means, tell us the story of why.

I never said whispering was lying about what she saw. I just disagree as to how/why it occured. if you have an experience you'd be inclined to share to tell us why you believe something you do, by all means, share away. if you don't wish to, fine, but don't paint it as "I don't owe you anything". nobody here owes anyone anything. we're all just hear to discuss. no need to play passive/agressive.

cool enough, yes I believe prayer can heal (but I don't dance with snakes) but as I have said I don't really want to get in the story of why,sorry.
if I thought the story I had to tell could make you guys undrstand I would tell it but it's pretty clear that most of the members here have made up thier minds about faith in Christ so I will keep it to myself.

Godfather.

that is fine, and well within your right. just as an aside, the point of why I'm asking is out of curiosity, and not trying to look for a reason to change my stance.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · April 2015

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:
You don't want to know the answer to
The question of what happens to those who remain! lol, but let's just say it's the basis upon which, many preachers cast the whke Fire and Brimmstone sermons. Like I said earlier. It boils down to a choice.. Period, you choose to believe or not.
And I respect you, at least you have fairly asked questions, with no animosity, no judgement, just pure curiosity. And I appreciate that. I will never again brow beat somebody into Salvation, as we call it. ( basically believing) I now know that the best way to present the teachings of Christ is to live them out day by day. Something's require faith, a LOT of it. Like what I'm going through now.. I have no idea, if what I'm experiencing physically is life threatening. Not until I go see the doctor on Tuesday and request testing.. But it's bad enough that I've handed over the keys to my car, because after two days ago, I don't feel it's safe for me to be on the road; in control of a 2000 lb vehicle, when I can't control the sudden muscle spasms in my arms and legs, and I can't control the sudden fatigue burnout.. So I had to make a very hard decision. But I
Have FAITH.. That there is a purpose to my going through this..

And my being HERE in these forums is another faith issue. Why AM I still here. I believe there is a reason. I was perfectly content letting my membership go. A little whiny.. Yeah, my human nature decided to show a little.. I've been here on these forums for twenty years now.. So I got attached to the idea of long distance friends.. But I was willing to walk away.. But that's not what happened, is it?? So faith is everywhere, for me., I just have to wait things out and see what happens for myself.

But again. Thank you for the honest debate.
You don't have a problem with a God that thinks it is ok to torture It's subject for disbelief??
I can't see how a compassionate person like you doesn't struggle with this.
. Like I said. It boils down to a choice.
In the end.. We are accountable for our every thought action and impositions. Period. This judgement that comes, will be based upon the things we did whke choosing to either bieve or disbelieve, if you choose to disbelieve, then YOU pay that price. But if you choose to believe that when Christ died..( I know you don't think he existed..) hePAID that price for those who DO believe.
I'm not dure if that makes anymore sense.. I may have just confused you more, which is why I feel I shouldn't be the one trying to explain this..:-)

And this is how they hold you.

Playing on your fear and your hope.

Things you CANT make up haha

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