Things you CANT make up haha

hedonist

It's interesting - as much as it saddened / felt like a loss to my dad that I parted with Judaism, given his history and the huge role it played in his life, it wasn't so much about (belief in) god but about many of the religion's tenets.

He knew my character and heart (yet again I'm struck by how much I am my father's daughter), but when I told him that the lessons and actions demonstrated, taught and learned were evidence enough that I got the major points of life, how to live and treat it...he got it. And he respected it.

Just live life with the basic shit we learned as a kid. I'm agnostic - but if I'm a decent person throughout my life yet don't believe, would I be fucked at some point?

(as an aside, I never understood the term "god-fearing")

Smellyman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo

Halifax2TheMax

I miss George.

brianlux

I know I've probably asked this before, but has anyone read Gorman Bechards novel called The Second Greatest Story Ever Told? It's about how God decides sending Jesus here 2,000 years ago just didn't work out the way he planned so he sends His daughter, Ilona Coggswater, to earth to take care of matters. Illona has a penchant for Tab and Rolling Rock Beer, is a big Paul Westerberg fan and has one commandment: "be kind". But when she gets pissed, look out!

Last-12-Exit

George was so funny.

whispering hands

brianlux said:

I know I've probably asked this before, but has anyone read Gorman Bechards novel called The Second Greatest Story Ever Told? It's about how God decides sending Jesus here 2,000 years ago just didn't work out the way he planned so he sends His daughter, Ilona Coggswater, to earth to take care of matters. Illona has a penchant for Tab and Rolling Rock Beer, is a big Paul Westerberg fan and has one commandment: "be kind". But when she gets pissed, look out!

Lol I may have to read that! That sounds funny!

riotgrl

hedonist said:

It's interesting - as much as it saddened / felt like a loss to my dad that I parted with Judaism, given his history and the huge role it played in his life, it wasn't so much about (belief in) god but about many of the religion's tenets.

He knew my character and heart (yet again I'm struck by how much I am my father's daughter), but when I told him that the lessons and actions demonstrated, taught and learned were evidence enough that I got the major points of life, how to live and treat it...he got it. And he respected it.

Just live life with the basic shit we learned as a kid. I'm agnostic - but if I'm a decent person throughout my life yet don't believe, would I be fucked at some point?

(as an aside, I never understood the term "god-fearing")

An atheist/agnostic/humanist FB page I follow just discussed "god-fearing". I liked their explanation god fearing = reverence, respect, in religion.

I think I finally felt free to drop all pretense of religious belief when my parents told me that I would never be able to raise moral children if they weren't taught morality through church/religion. I said that if the only way you can get morality is through religion then maybe that is a bigger problem! She still tries to get me to go to church and I still respect her beliefs but for the most part we don't talk about it at all. Makes me sad, like we have lost a connection//that I've moved on//past her//left her behind :(

Last-12-Exit

riotgrl said:

hedonist said:

It's interesting - as much as it saddened / felt like a loss to my dad that I parted with Judaism, given his history and the huge role it played in his life, it wasn't so much about (belief in) god but about many of the religion's tenets.

He knew my character and heart (yet again I'm struck by how much I am my father's daughter), but when I told him that the lessons and actions demonstrated, taught and learned were evidence enough that I got the major points of life, how to live and treat it...he got it. And he respected it.

Just live life with the basic shit we learned as a kid. I'm agnostic - but if I'm a decent person throughout my life yet don't believe, would I be fucked at some point?

(as an aside, I never understood the term "god-fearing")

An atheist/agnostic/humanist FB page I follow just discussed "god-fearing". I liked their explanation god fearing = reverence, respect, in religion.

I think I finally felt free to drop all pretense of religious belief when my parents told me that I would never be able to raise moral children if they weren't taught morality through church/religion. I said that if the only way you can get morality is through religion then maybe that is a bigger problem! She still tries to get me to go to church and I still respect her beliefs but for the most part we don't talk about it at all. Makes me sad, like we have lost a connection//that I've moved on//past her//left her behind :(

I can't talk to my mother about politics or religion. EVERY time she ends up in tears because she thinks she failed as a mother because I don't believe in god. She tells me how sad it makes her to know she won't see me after I die. I try to tell her that when we die, we won't see anyone or anything, but she refuses to see my view on it.

We are total opposites on the political landscape as well. She says the same thing. That she feels she failed as a parent because I am for abortion, gay marriage, and lean left on most social issues. So any time religion or politics is brought up, I have to leave the room.

HughFreakingDillon

Last-12-Exit said:

riotgrl said:

hedonist said:

It's interesting - as much as it saddened / felt like a loss to my dad that I parted with Judaism, given his history and the huge role it played in his life, it wasn't so much about (belief in) god but about many of the religion's tenets.

He knew my character and heart (yet again I'm struck by how much I am my father's daughter), but when I told him that the lessons and actions demonstrated, taught and learned were evidence enough that I got the major points of life, how to live and treat it...he got it. And he respected it.

Just live life with the basic shit we learned as a kid. I'm agnostic - but if I'm a decent person throughout my life yet don't believe, would I be fucked at some point?

(as an aside, I never understood the term "god-fearing")

An atheist/agnostic/humanist FB page I follow just discussed "god-fearing". I liked their explanation god fearing = reverence, respect, in religion.

I think I finally felt free to drop all pretense of religious belief when my parents told me that I would never be able to raise moral children if they weren't taught morality through church/religion. I said that if the only way you can get morality is through religion then maybe that is a bigger problem! She still tries to get me to go to church and I still respect her beliefs but for the most part we don't talk about it at all. Makes me sad, like we have lost a connection//that I've moved on//past her//left her behind :(

I can't talk to my mother about politics or religion. EVERY time she ends up in tears because she thinks she failed as a mother because I don't believe in god. She tells me how sad it makes her to know she won't see me after I die. I try to tell her that when we die, we won't see anyone or anything, but she refuses to see my view on it.

We are total opposites on the political landscape as well. She says the same thing. That she feels she failed as a parent because I am for abortion, gay marriage, and lean left on most social issues. So any time religion or politics is brought up, I have to leave the room.

my mom made the same comment a while back about "failing as a parent" because of my stance on god. I find it such a weird thing to say that I would NEVER say to my girls. On one hand, she's trying to say she fucked up. But really, what she is really saying, is that she's disappointed in how I turned out. Thanks Mom!

Last-12-Exit

HughFreakingDillon said:

Last-12-Exit said:

riotgrl said:

hedonist said:

It's interesting - as much as it saddened / felt like a loss to my dad that I parted with Judaism, given his history and the huge role it played in his life, it wasn't so much about (belief in) god but about many of the religion's tenets.

He knew my character and heart (yet again I'm struck by how much I am my father's daughter), but when I told him that the lessons and actions demonstrated, taught and learned were evidence enough that I got the major points of life, how to live and treat it...he got it. And he respected it.

Just live life with the basic shit we learned as a kid. I'm agnostic - but if I'm a decent person throughout my life yet don't believe, would I be fucked at some point?

(as an aside, I never understood the term "god-fearing")

An atheist/agnostic/humanist FB page I follow just discussed "god-fearing". I liked their explanation god fearing = reverence, respect, in religion.

I think I finally felt free to drop all pretense of religious belief when my parents told me that I would never be able to raise moral children if they weren't taught morality through church/religion. I said that if the only way you can get morality is through religion then maybe that is a bigger problem! She still tries to get me to go to church and I still respect her beliefs but for the most part we don't talk about it at all. Makes me sad, like we have lost a connection//that I've moved on//past her//left her behind :(

I can't talk to my mother about politics or religion. EVERY time she ends up in tears because she thinks she failed as a mother because I don't believe in god. She tells me how sad it makes her to know she won't see me after I die. I try to tell her that when we die, we won't see anyone or anything, but she refuses to see my view on it.

We are total opposites on the political landscape as well. She says the same thing. That she feels she failed as a parent because I am for abortion, gay marriage, and lean left on most social issues. So any time religion or politics is brought up, I have to leave the room.

my mom made the same comment a while back about "failing as a parent" because of my stance on god. I find it such a weird thing to say that I would NEVER say to my girls. On one hand, she's trying to say she fucked up. But really, what she is really saying, is that she's disappointed in how I turned out. Thanks Mom!

I think that last sentence is accurate

callen

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:

You don't want to know the answer to
The question of what happens to those who remain! lol, but let's just say it's the basis upon which, many preachers cast the whke Fire and Brimmstone sermons. Like I said earlier. It boils down to a choice.. Period, you choose to believe or not.
And I respect you, at least you have fairly asked questions, with no animosity, no judgement, just pure curiosity. And I appreciate that. I will never again brow beat somebody into Salvation, as we call it. ( basically believing) I now know that the best way to present the teachings of Christ is to live them out day by day. Something's require faith, a LOT of it. Like what I'm going through now.. I have no idea, if what I'm experiencing physically is life threatening. Not until I go see the doctor on Tuesday and request testing.. But it's bad enough that I've handed over the keys to my car, because after two days ago, I don't feel it's safe for me to be on the road; in control of a 2000 lb vehicle, when I can't control the sudden muscle spasms in my arms and legs, and I can't control the sudden fatigue burnout.. So I had to make a very hard decision. But I
Have FAITH.. That there is a purpose to my going through this..

And my being HERE in these forums is another faith issue. Why AM I still here. I believe there is a reason. I was perfectly content letting my membership go. A little whiny.. Yeah, my human nature decided to show a little.. I've been here on these forums for twenty years now.. So I got attached to the idea of long distance friends.. But I was willing to walk away.. But that's not what happened, is it?? So faith is everywhere, for me., I just have to wait things out and see what happens for myself.

But again. Thank you for the honest debate.

You don't have a problem with a God that thinks it is ok to torture It's subject for disbelief??
I can't see how a compassionate person like you doesn't struggle with this.

. Like I said. It boils down to a choice.
In the end.. We are accountable for our every thought action and impositions. Period. This judgement that comes, will be based upon the things we did whke choosing to either bieve or disbelieve, if you choose to disbelieve, then YOU pay that price. But if you choose to believe that when Christ died..( I know you don't think he existed..) hePAID that price for those who DO believe.
I'm not dure if that makes anymore sense.. I may have just confused you more, which is why I feel I shouldn't be the one trying to explain this..:-)

I just can't stand behind the extreme vanity of "worship me and my son or I will burn you for eternity"

There are millions if not billions of people who lead compassionate lives, sowing peace throughout their communities, and helping to alleviate suffering where they can, all without a touch of Jesus worship. A God who condemns out of vanity is beneath my code of moral standards.

And there are Billions born in places that God knows have no way of accepting him as lord and savior. So god knows that 70% of his creations will automatically go to hell.

It just has to suck and be utterly exhausting to justify keeping it all real.

hedonist

riotgrl said:

An atheist/agnostic/humanist FB page I follow just discussed "god-fearing". I liked their explanation god fearing = reverence, respect, in religion.

I think I finally felt free to drop all pretense of religious belief when my parents told me that I would never be able to raise moral children if they weren't taught morality through church/religion. I said that if the only way you can get morality is through religion then maybe that is a bigger problem! She still tries to get me to go to church and I still respect her beliefs but for the most part we don't talk about it at all. Makes me sad, like we have lost a connection//that I've moved on//past her//left her behind :(

And yet, from this virtual stranger's perspective of you, and Hugh and Last-12 and others, you are each thoughtful, intelligent, independent thinkers, and well-spoken. I wish some parents would see those aspects, along with the utter lack of failure they perceive.

Last-12-Exit

callen said:

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:

You don't want to know the answer to
The question of what happens to those who remain! lol, but let's just say it's the basis upon which, many preachers cast the whke Fire and Brimmstone sermons. Like I said earlier. It boils down to a choice.. Period, you choose to believe or not.
And I respect you, at least you have fairly asked questions, with no animosity, no judgement, just pure curiosity. And I appreciate that. I will never again brow beat somebody into Salvation, as we call it. ( basically believing) I now know that the best way to present the teachings of Christ is to live them out day by day. Something's require faith, a LOT of it. Like what I'm going through now.. I have no idea, if what I'm experiencing physically is life threatening. Not until I go see the doctor on Tuesday and request testing.. But it's bad enough that I've handed over the keys to my car, because after two days ago, I don't feel it's safe for me to be on the road; in control of a 2000 lb vehicle, when I can't control the sudden muscle spasms in my arms and legs, and I can't control the sudden fatigue burnout.. So I had to make a very hard decision. But I
Have FAITH.. That there is a purpose to my going through this..

And my being HERE in these forums is another faith issue. Why AM I still here. I believe there is a reason. I was perfectly content letting my membership go. A little whiny.. Yeah, my human nature decided to show a little.. I've been here on these forums for twenty years now.. So I got attached to the idea of long distance friends.. But I was willing to walk away.. But that's not what happened, is it?? So faith is everywhere, for me., I just have to wait things out and see what happens for myself.

But again. Thank you for the honest debate.

You don't have a problem with a God that thinks it is ok to torture It's subject for disbelief??
I can't see how a compassionate person like you doesn't struggle with this.

. Like I said. It boils down to a choice.
In the end.. We are accountable for our every thought action and impositions. Period. This judgement that comes, will be based upon the things we did whke choosing to either bieve or disbelieve, if you choose to disbelieve, then YOU pay that price. But if you choose to believe that when Christ died..( I know you don't think he existed..) hePAID that price for those who DO believe.
I'm not dure if that makes anymore sense.. I may have just confused you more, which is why I feel I shouldn't be the one trying to explain this..:-)

I just can't stand behind the extreme vanity of "worship me and my son or I will burn you for eternity"

There are millions if not billions of people who lead compassionate lives, sowing peace throughout their communities, and helping to alleviate suffering where they can, all without a touch of Jesus worship. A God who condemns out of vanity is beneath my code of moral standards.

And there are Billions born in places that God knows have no way of accepting him as lord and savior. So god knows that 70% of his creations will automatically go to hell.

It just has to suck and be utterly exhausting to justify keeping it all real.

God's way of keeping the population of heaven under control

HughFreakingDillon

hedonist said:

riotgrl said:

An atheist/agnostic/humanist FB page I follow just discussed "god-fearing". I liked their explanation god fearing = reverence, respect, in religion.

I think I finally felt free to drop all pretense of religious belief when my parents told me that I would never be able to raise moral children if they weren't taught morality through church/religion. I said that if the only way you can get morality is through religion then maybe that is a bigger problem! She still tries to get me to go to church and I still respect her beliefs but for the most part we don't talk about it at all. Makes me sad, like we have lost a connection//that I've moved on//past her//left her behind :(

And yet, from this virtual stranger's perspective of you, and Hugh and Last-12 and others, you are each thoughtful, intelligent, independent thinkers, and well-spoken. I wish some parents would see those aspects, along with the utter lack of failure they perceive.

My mom's comment, in correct context, was actually on reference to she and my brother being the only believers left in the family. My sister, my dad, and myself, have all turned. I think it was more out of exasperation at a discussion we were all having than true disappointment. I think she just goes to church for the singing more than the faith, TBH.

badbrains

Last-12-Exit said:

callen said:

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:

You don't want to know the answer to
The question of what happens to those who remain! lol, but let's just say it's the basis upon which, many preachers cast the whke Fire and Brimmstone sermons. Like I said earlier. It boils down to a choice.. Period, you choose to believe or not.
And I respect you, at least you have fairly asked questions, with no animosity, no judgement, just pure curiosity. And I appreciate that. I will never again brow beat somebody into Salvation, as we call it. ( basically believing) I now know that the best way to present the teachings of Christ is to live them out day by day. Something's require faith, a LOT of it. Like what I'm going through now.. I have no idea, if what I'm experiencing physically is life threatening. Not until I go see the doctor on Tuesday and request testing.. But it's bad enough that I've handed over the keys to my car, because after two days ago, I don't feel it's safe for me to be on the road; in control of a 2000 lb vehicle, when I can't control the sudden muscle spasms in my arms and legs, and I can't control the sudden fatigue burnout.. So I had to make a very hard decision. But I
Have FAITH.. That there is a purpose to my going through this..

And my being HERE in these forums is another faith issue. Why AM I still here. I believe there is a reason. I was perfectly content letting my membership go. A little whiny.. Yeah, my human nature decided to show a little.. I've been here on these forums for twenty years now.. So I got attached to the idea of long distance friends.. But I was willing to walk away.. But that's not what happened, is it?? So faith is everywhere, for me., I just have to wait things out and see what happens for myself.

But again. Thank you for the honest debate.

You don't have a problem with a God that thinks it is ok to torture It's subject for disbelief??
I can't see how a compassionate person like you doesn't struggle with this.

. Like I said. It boils down to a choice.
In the end.. We are accountable for our every thought action and impositions. Period. This judgement that comes, will be based upon the things we did whke choosing to either bieve or disbelieve, if you choose to disbelieve, then YOU pay that price. But if you choose to believe that when Christ died..( I know you don't think he existed..) hePAID that price for those who DO believe.
I'm not dure if that makes anymore sense.. I may have just confused you more, which is why I feel I shouldn't be the one trying to explain this..:-)

I just can't stand behind the extreme vanity of "worship me and my son or I will burn you for eternity"

There are millions if not billions of people who lead compassionate lives, sowing peace throughout their communities, and helping to alleviate suffering where they can, all without a touch of Jesus worship. A God who condemns out of vanity is beneath my code of moral standards.

And there are Billions born in places that God knows have no way of accepting him as lord and savior. So god knows that 70% of his creations will automatically go to hell.

It just has to suck and be utterly exhausting to justify keeping it all real.

God's way of keeping the population of heaven under control

This was funny. You have your moments no doubt Scott haha

Gillycw

Someone came in to work today and asked to book the "Pad Thai" Resort in Phuket Thailand. Felt like asking if that was next door to the Green Chicken Curry Hotel.
(It's the Padma Resort) Thai names must really confuse people.