The Idiot Thread

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Here is something that makes ZERO sense:
The very idea of adults drinking human breast milk is considered disgusting by pretty much every single person. Ever.
Yet somehow drinking breastmilk from a cow is completely normal. A different species' milk is good to go but your own is gross?
How ass-backward is that!

I don't find drinking human breast milk gross at all. Every baby drinks it all day and night, so how is it gross?? I really don't get that thinking at all. Obviously making it available for mass consumption isn't possible unless there are women out there who are willing to be hooked up to milking machines as a job, lol.
I'm sure the argument about human milk vs cow milk is easily argued by saying, "Yeah, and I don't eat human flesh either". Fair enough argument, logically, lol. But still, not sure how human milk became such a gross thing to so many people even while they watch their own babies eat it for months on end. Bizarre.
For the record, I've tried human milk as an adult (I'm surprised so many people haven't), and it just tasted like warm normal milk with sugar in it.

yeah, I gave my wife's a taste when she was still breastfeeding our kids (from a bottle, you sickos! LOL). just tastes like sweet milk.

I personally think it's disgusting that we consume the milk of ANY animal after babyhood. we don't need it. it's not natural. do I drink it? yes, because as someone who grew up drinking it, sometimes I have a thirst for it, even though I think it's kind of gross. I just try not to think about it. But I don't drink it much.

good thing it doesn't take like beer OR make me want to dance involuntarily.

Milk (cow) is super nutritious though. It's packed with vitamins and minerals. I think it's actually undervalued as a healthy food for adults - I get the impression that most people aren't even aware of the nutritional value of milk for any age group (there really aren't any foods that are healthy for children but not healthy for adults). I am not clear on why you would say it's not "natural". It's an animal product. It's as natural as eating eggs, steak, chicken, or any other animal product.

rgambs said:

jeffbr said:

rgambs said:

Here is something that makes ZERO sense:
The very idea of adults drinking human breast milk is considered disgusting by pretty much every single person. Ever.
Yet somehow drinking breastmilk from a cow is completely normal. A different species' milk is good to go but your own is gross?
How ass-backward is that!

Haha, apparently it is the energy drink of the future for pro athletes! http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/bodywork/performance-plate/Breast-Is-Not-Best-for-Athletes.html

But as the article points out, you don't know what you're buying due to lack of oversight, you could pick up some nasty viruses, you won't be able to process some of the good things in it, it is super expensive, etc...

But did they make sure to study Cambodian breastmilk? It IS the finest to be found.

riotgrl said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Here is something that makes ZERO sense:
The very idea of adults drinking human breast milk is considered disgusting by pretty much every single person. Ever.
Yet somehow drinking breastmilk from a cow is completely normal. A different species' milk is good to go but your own is gross?
How ass-backward is that!

I don't find drinking human breast milk gross at all. Every baby drinks it all day and night, so how is it gross?? I really don't get that thinking at all. Obviously making it available for mass consumption isn't possible unless there are women out there who are willing to be hooked up to milking machines as a job, lol.
I'm sure the argument about human milk vs cow milk is easily argued by saying, "Yeah, and I don't eat human flesh either". Fair enough argument, logically, lol. But still, not sure how human milk became such a gross thing to so many people even while they watch their own babies eat it for months on end. Bizarre.
For the record, I've tried human milk as an adult (I'm surprised so many people haven't), and it just tasted like warm normal milk with sugar in it.

yeah, I gave my wife's a taste when she was still breastfeeding our kids (from a bottle, you sickos! LOL). just tastes like sweet milk.

I personally think it's disgusting that we consume the milk of ANY animal after babyhood. we don't need it. it's not natural. do I drink it? yes, because as someone who grew up drinking it, sometimes I have a thirst for it, even though I think it's kind of gross. I just try not to think about it. But I don't drink it much.

good thing it doesn't take like beer OR make me want to dance involuntarily.

Milk (cow) is super nutritious though. It's packed with vitamins and minerals. I think it's actually undervalued as a healthy food for adults - I get the impression that most people aren't even aware of the nutritional value of milk for any age group (there really aren't any foods that are healthy for children but not healthy for adults). I am not clear on why you would say it's not "natural". It's an animal product. It's as natural as eating eggs, steak, chicken, or any other animal product.

Yes, it is super nutricious. So apparently is eating the placenta of a recently birthed child. I know, extreme example. But I am starting to wonder why, if so natural, why so many human bodies are starting to reject it.

Being carnivorous is natural. Even eating the unborn young of another animal is natural, as sick as that sounds. But doesn't it strike you as odd that we are the only mammal to drink the milk of another? I find it weird.

Less likely that we are rejecting the milk and more likely that we are rejecting the hormones and antibiotics contained within the milk itself. Also, likely that we are rejecting the protein profile of milk because of GMOs. I've done some preliminary research that says that a lot of current food allergies are linked to intolerance of proteins especially GMO proteins.

PJ_Soul said:

badbrains said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Here is something that makes ZERO sense:
The very idea of adults drinking human breast milk is considered disgusting by pretty much every single person. Ever.
Yet somehow drinking breastmilk from a cow is completely normal. A different species' milk is good to go but your own is gross?
How ass-backward is that!

I don't find drinking human breast milk gross at all. Every baby drinks it all day and night, so how is it gross?? I really don't get that thinking at all. Obviously making it available for mass consumption isn't possible unless there are women out there who are willing to be hooked up to milking machines as a job, lol.
I'm sure the argument about human milk vs cow milk is easily argued by saying, "Yeah, and I don't eat human flesh either". Fair enough argument, logically, lol. But still, not sure how human milk became such a gross thing to so many people even while they watch their own babies eat it for months on end. Bizarre.
For the record, I've tried human milk as an adult (I'm surprised so many people haven't), and it just tasted like warm normal milk with sugar in it.

Video or it didn't happen pjsoul hahaha

It wouldn't be a very interesting video. Me standing in the kitchen squirting it on my wrist from a bottle and licking it off, lol.
I personally think it's rude to expect any human being to eat something that you won't try yourself so you at least know what the other person is dealing with. And yes, I mean in ALL cases.

HughFreakingDillon said:

riotgrl said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Here is something that makes ZERO sense:
The very idea of adults drinking human breast milk is considered disgusting by pretty much every single person. Ever.
Yet somehow drinking breastmilk from a cow is completely normal. A different species' milk is good to go but your own is gross?
How ass-backward is that!

I don't find drinking human breast milk gross at all. Every baby drinks it all day and night, so how is it gross?? I really don't get that thinking at all. Obviously making it available for mass consumption isn't possible unless there are women out there who are willing to be hooked up to milking machines as a job, lol.
I'm sure the argument about human milk vs cow milk is easily argued by saying, "Yeah, and I don't eat human flesh either". Fair enough argument, logically, lol. But still, not sure how human milk became such a gross thing to so many people even while they watch their own babies eat it for months on end. Bizarre.
For the record, I've tried human milk as an adult (I'm surprised so many people haven't), and it just tasted like warm normal milk with sugar in it.

yeah, I gave my wife's a taste when she was still breastfeeding our kids (from a bottle, you sickos! LOL). just tastes like sweet milk.

I personally think it's disgusting that we consume the milk of ANY animal after babyhood. we don't need it. it's not natural. do I drink it? yes, because as someone who grew up drinking it, sometimes I have a thirst for it, even though I think it's kind of gross. I just try not to think about it. But I don't drink it much.

good thing it doesn't take like beer OR make me want to dance involuntarily.

Milk (cow) is super nutritious though. It's packed with vitamins and minerals. I think it's actually undervalued as a healthy food for adults - I get the impression that most people aren't even aware of the nutritional value of milk for any age group (there really aren't any foods that are healthy for children but not healthy for adults). I am not clear on why you would say it's not "natural". It's an animal product. It's as natural as eating eggs, steak, chicken, or any other animal product.

Yes, it is super nutricious. So apparently is eating the placenta of a recently birthed child. I know, extreme example. But I am starting to wonder why, if so natural, why so many human bodies are starting to reject it.

Being carnivorous is natural. Even eating the unborn young of another animal is natural, as sick as that sounds. But doesn't it strike you as odd that we are the only mammal to drink the milk of another? I find it weird.

Less likely that we are rejecting the milk and more likely that we are rejecting the hormones and antibiotics contained within the milk itself. Also, likely that we are rejecting the protein profile of milk because of GMOs. I've done some preliminary research that says that a lot of current food allergies are linked to intolerance of proteins especially GMO proteins.

Lactose is the issue, is it not? I know the hormones, etc, are also an issue, but aren't people rejecting lactose on its own as well?

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Here is something that makes ZERO sense:
The very idea of adults drinking human breast milk is considered disgusting by pretty much every single person. Ever.
Yet somehow drinking breastmilk from a cow is completely normal. A different species' milk is good to go but your own is gross?
How ass-backward is that!

I don't find drinking human breast milk gross at all. Every baby drinks it all day and night, so how is it gross?? I really don't get that thinking at all. Obviously making it available for mass consumption isn't possible unless there are women out there who are willing to be hooked up to milking machines as a job, lol.
I'm sure the argument about human milk vs cow milk is easily argued by saying, "Yeah, and I don't eat human flesh either". Fair enough argument, logically, lol. But still, not sure how human milk became such a gross thing to so many people even while they watch their own babies eat it for months on end. Bizarre.
For the record, I've tried human milk as an adult (I'm surprised so many people haven't), and it just tasted like warm normal milk with sugar in it.

yeah, I gave my wife's a taste when she was still breastfeeding our kids (from a bottle, you sickos! LOL). just tastes like sweet milk.

I personally think it's disgusting that we consume the milk of ANY animal after babyhood. we don't need it. it's not natural. do I drink it? yes, because as someone who grew up drinking it, sometimes I have a thirst for it, even though I think it's kind of gross. I just try not to think about it. But I don't drink it much.

good thing it doesn't take like beer OR make me want to dance involuntarily.

Milk (cow) is super nutritious though. It's packed with vitamins and minerals. I think it's actually undervalued as a healthy food for adults - I get the impression that most people aren't even aware of the nutritional value of milk for any age group (there really aren't any foods that are healthy for children but not healthy for adults). I am not clear on why you would say it's not "natural". It's an animal product. It's as natural as eating eggs, steak, chicken, or any other animal product.

Yes, it is super nutricious. So apparently is eating the placenta of a recently birthed child. I know, extreme example. But I am starting to wonder why, if so natural, why so many human bodies are starting to reject it.

Being carnivorous is natural. Even eating the unborn young of another animal is natural, as sick as that sounds. But doesn't it strike you as odd that we are the only mammal to drink the milk of another? I find it weird.

Yeah, i can't say that your comparison even makes sense, lol. Humans eat human milk, cows eat cow milk, humans eat cows and cow milk. Makes perfect sense. It would be crazy not to eat it, lol.
People are allergic to everything. That doesn't mean that thing isn't good for the rest of us. I knkw people who are allergic to nuts, eggs, broccoli, onions, strawberries, trees, flowers, animals, etc etc etc etc etc etc. Should we suspect all of those things of not being "natural" for us too?
Milk makes me feel good, fills me up, and it's super nutritious, low in fat and calories (i like 1%), and it's super affordable. I think it would be stupid of me to not drink it! ..... Now where is my job offer from the Canadian Milk Association?

FWIW, we are the only animal to do a LOT of things. I don't think that is a very good measuring stick you're using there. I'm not even sure it's true that there aren't other animals that drink the milk of another, but either way, I find it irrelevant. I mean, we're also the only animals to cook our food or create recipes out of it. The only ones to breed animals for food, to practice agriculture... and so on.

my comparison was only to illustrate that just because something is nutritious, does not mean that alone makes it good for our diet.

yes, we are the only mammal that do a lot of things. but I'm speaking of carnivorous behaviour specifically, not of "well foxes don't make chocolate" type of comparison.

Many other carnivores eat the young, unborn and born, of other animals. But they only drink the milk of their own species (except in extreme cases where one mother takes in an abandoned calf/young of another species).

yes, humans can be allergic to a lot of things. But I think it's odd that lactose allergy/intolerance is on the extreme rise. So is peanuts. But the theory behind that one now is that everyone in the last decade was so freaked out about introducing their kids to nuts before age 2, it increased the reaction percentage. our bodies were saying "whoa! what the fuck is this??". But with cow's milk we injest it from a very young age, usually right after we are finished breastfeeding, so there's no real reason, logically, that out of nowhere we should be rejecting it. Unless, in my opinion, it maybe shouldn't be part of our diet.

anyway, I just realized this is the idiot thread. not a cow's milk thread. so I'll stop now.

dignin said:

riotgrl said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Here is something that makes ZERO sense:
The very idea of adults drinking human breast milk is considered disgusting by pretty much every single person. Ever.
Yet somehow drinking breastmilk from a cow is completely normal. A different species' milk is good to go but your own is gross?
How ass-backward is that!

I don't find drinking human breast milk gross at all. Every baby drinks it all day and night, so how is it gross?? I really don't get that thinking at all. Obviously making it available for mass consumption isn't possible unless there are women out there who are willing to be hooked up to milking machines as a job, lol.
I'm sure the argument about human milk vs cow milk is easily argued by saying, "Yeah, and I don't eat human flesh either". Fair enough argument, logically, lol. But still, not sure how human milk became such a gross thing to so many people even while they watch their own babies eat it for months on end. Bizarre.
For the record, I've tried human milk as an adult (I'm surprised so many people haven't), and it just tasted like warm normal milk with sugar in it.

yeah, I gave my wife's a taste when she was still breastfeeding our kids (from a bottle, you sickos! LOL). just tastes like sweet milk.

I personally think it's disgusting that we consume the milk of ANY animal after babyhood. we don't need it. it's not natural. do I drink it? yes, because as someone who grew up drinking it, sometimes I have a thirst for it, even though I think it's kind of gross. I just try not to think about it. But I don't drink it much.

good thing it doesn't take like beer OR make me want to dance involuntarily.

Milk (cow) is super nutritious though. It's packed with vitamins and minerals. I think it's actually undervalued as a healthy food for adults - I get the impression that most people aren't even aware of the nutritional value of milk for any age group (there really aren't any foods that are healthy for children but not healthy for adults). I am not clear on why you would say it's not "natural". It's an animal product. It's as natural as eating eggs, steak, chicken, or any other animal product.

Yes, it is super nutricious. So apparently is eating the placenta of a recently birthed child. I know, extreme example. But I am starting to wonder why, if so natural, why so many human bodies are starting to reject it.

Being carnivorous is natural. Even eating the unborn young of another animal is natural, as sick as that sounds. But doesn't it strike you as odd that we are the only mammal to drink the milk of another? I find it weird.

Yeah, i can't say that your comparison even makes sense, lol. Humans eat human milk, cows eat cow milk, humans eat cows and cow milk. Makes perfect sense. It would be crazy not to eat it, lol.
People are allergic to everything. That doesn't mean that thing isn't good for the rest of us. I knkw people who are allergic to nuts, eggs, broccoli, onions, strawberries, trees, flowers, animals, etc etc etc etc etc etc. Should we suspect all of those things of not being "natural" for us too?
Milk makes me feel good, fills me up, and it's super nutritious, low in fat and calories (i like 1%), and it's super affordable. I think it would be stupid of me to not drink it! ..... Now where is my job offer from the Canadian Milk Association?

FWIW, we are the only animal to do a LOT of things. I don't think that is a very good measuring stick you're using there. I'm not even sure it's true that there aren't other animals that drink the milk of another, but either way, I find it irrelevant. I mean, we're also the only animals to cook our food or create recipes out of it. The only ones to breed animals for food, to practice agriculture... and so on.

my comparison was only to illustrate that just because something is nutritious, does not mean that alone makes it good for our diet.

yes, we are the only mammal that do a lot of things. but I'm speaking of carnivorous behaviour specifically, not of "well foxes don't make chocolate" type of comparison.

Many other carnivores eat the young, unborn and born, of other animals. But they only drink the milk of their own species (except in extreme cases where one mother takes in an abandoned calf/young of another species).

yes, humans can be allergic to a lot of things. But I think it's odd that lactose allergy/intolerance is on the extreme rise. So is peanuts. But the theory behind that one now is that everyone in the last decade was so freaked out about introducing their kids to nuts before age 2, it increased the reaction percentage. our bodies were saying "whoa! what the fuck is this??". But with cow's milk we injest it from a very young age, usually right after we are finished breastfeeding, so there's no real reason, logically, that out of nowhere we should be rejecting it. Unless, in my opinion, it maybe shouldn't be part of our diet.

anyway, I just realized this is the idiot thread. not a cow's milk thread. so I'll stop now.

PJ Soul/Hughfreakingdillon hope you don't mind me jumping in on this....

All humans have the ability to digest milk/lactose when born because that is how we get all of our nutrition until we can ingest foods. In many cultures, people then switch to animal milk and they are able to continue ingesting dairy because they retain the enzymes to digest milk/lactose because they never stopped drinking milk. In some cultures, however, people stop drinking milk as young infants/children and the enzyme that is used to digest milk/lactose is lost and people become lactose intolerant. True dairy allergies are far more rare. I am at work and can't find the study that references protein profiles/dairy allergies here but I have it at home. I'll post it tonight as it addresses some of these issues.

You may want to check out the history of lactose tolerance, because it sounds quite different then what you are implying. The history of lactose tolerance is super interesting.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolution/2012/10/evolution_of_lactose_tolerance_why_do_humans_keep_drinking_milk.html

dignin said:

riotgrl said:

dignin said:

riotgrl said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Here is something that makes ZERO sense:
The very idea of adults drinking human breast milk is considered disgusting by pretty much every single person. Ever.
Yet somehow drinking breastmilk from a cow is completely normal. A different species' milk is good to go but your own is gross?
How ass-backward is that!

I don't find drinking human breast milk gross at all. Every baby drinks it all day and night, so how is it gross?? I really don't get that thinking at all. Obviously making it available for mass consumption isn't possible unless there are women out there who are willing to be hooked up to milking machines as a job, lol.
I'm sure the argument about human milk vs cow milk is easily argued by saying, "Yeah, and I don't eat human flesh either". Fair enough argument, logically, lol. But still, not sure how human milk became such a gross thing to so many people even while they watch their own babies eat it for months on end. Bizarre.
For the record, I've tried human milk as an adult (I'm surprised so many people haven't), and it just tasted like warm normal milk with sugar in it.

yeah, I gave my wife's a taste when she was still breastfeeding our kids (from a bottle, you sickos! LOL). just tastes like sweet milk.

I personally think it's disgusting that we consume the milk of ANY animal after babyhood. we don't need it. it's not natural. do I drink it? yes, because as someone who grew up drinking it, sometimes I have a thirst for it, even though I think it's kind of gross. I just try not to think about it. But I don't drink it much.

good thing it doesn't take like beer OR make me want to dance involuntarily.

Milk (cow) is super nutritious though. It's packed with vitamins and minerals. I think it's actually undervalued as a healthy food for adults - I get the impression that most people aren't even aware of the nutritional value of milk for any age group (there really aren't any foods that are healthy for children but not healthy for adults). I am not clear on why you would say it's not "natural". It's an animal product. It's as natural as eating eggs, steak, chicken, or any other animal product.

Yes, it is super nutricious. So apparently is eating the placenta of a recently birthed child. I know, extreme example. But I am starting to wonder why, if so natural, why so many human bodies are starting to reject it.

Being carnivorous is natural. Even eating the unborn young of another animal is natural, as sick as that sounds. But doesn't it strike you as odd that we are the only mammal to drink the milk of another? I find it weird.

Yeah, i can't say that your comparison even makes sense, lol. Humans eat human milk, cows eat cow milk, humans eat cows and cow milk. Makes perfect sense. It would be crazy not to eat it, lol.
People are allergic to everything. That doesn't mean that thing isn't good for the rest of us. I knkw people who are allergic to nuts, eggs, broccoli, onions, strawberries, trees, flowers, animals, etc etc etc etc etc etc. Should we suspect all of those things of not being "natural" for us too?
Milk makes me feel good, fills me up, and it's super nutritious, low in fat and calories (i like 1%), and it's super affordable. I think it would be stupid of me to not drink it! ..... Now where is my job offer from the Canadian Milk Association?

FWIW, we are the only animal to do a LOT of things. I don't think that is a very good measuring stick you're using there. I'm not even sure it's true that there aren't other animals that drink the milk of another, but either way, I find it irrelevant. I mean, we're also the only animals to cook our food or create recipes out of it. The only ones to breed animals for food, to practice agriculture... and so on.

my comparison was only to illustrate that just because something is nutritious, does not mean that alone makes it good for our diet.

yes, we are the only mammal that do a lot of things. but I'm speaking of carnivorous behaviour specifically, not of "well foxes don't make chocolate" type of comparison.

Many other carnivores eat the young, unborn and born, of other animals. But they only drink the milk of their own species (except in extreme cases where one mother takes in an abandoned calf/young of another species).

yes, humans can be allergic to a lot of things. But I think it's odd that lactose allergy/intolerance is on the extreme rise. So is peanuts. But the theory behind that one now is that everyone in the last decade was so freaked out about introducing their kids to nuts before age 2, it increased the reaction percentage. our bodies were saying "whoa! what the fuck is this??". But with cow's milk we injest it from a very young age, usually right after we are finished breastfeeding, so there's no real reason, logically, that out of nowhere we should be rejecting it. Unless, in my opinion, it maybe shouldn't be part of our diet.

anyway, I just realized this is the idiot thread. not a cow's milk thread. so I'll stop now.

PJ Soul/Hughfreakingdillon hope you don't mind me jumping in on this....

All humans have the ability to digest milk/lactose when born because that is how we get all of our nutrition until we can ingest foods. In many cultures, people then switch to animal milk and they are able to continue ingesting dairy because they retain the enzymes to digest milk/lactose because they never stopped drinking milk. In some cultures, however, people stop drinking milk as young infants/children and the enzyme that is used to digest milk/lactose is lost and people become lactose intolerant. True dairy allergies are far more rare. I am at work and can't find the study that references protein profiles/dairy allergies here but I have it at home. I'll post it tonight as it addresses some of these issues.

You may want to check out the history of lactose tolerance, because it sounds quite different then what you are implying. The history of lactose tolerance is super interesting.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolution/2012/10/evolution_of_lactose_tolerance_why_do_humans_keep_drinking_milk.html

Really like that article! Especially his comments about our declining health being linked to the Neolithic Revolution and becoming farmers.

It was not my intent to misrepresent the historical development of the genetic mutation of lactose intolerance. I was approaching it from a more modern standpoint as we see more and more people who *should* (like european descended people) be able to tolerate milk that are unable. I have no doubt that genetic mutations explain many of these instances but there are still rising concerns about GMOs and their protein profiles creating a whole host of allergy issues. In addition, there is new research to suggest that pasteurized milk has created allergy and intolerance issues that raw milk drinkers don't encounter.

Cool, glad you enjoyed the article as much as I did. Weird how it came up from a thread about idiots and fetish subject matter.

I will have to do some more research about the possible links between GMO's and possible allergies.