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Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
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Here's one:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/09/justice/charles-manson-wife/

Why? Seriously, Star... why? There's only one answer: you're an idiot.

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    "He's nothing like that. He doesn't tell people what to do. He's not manipulative at all."

    And yet, he has a young woman willing to dedicate her life to his cause, which of course includes trying to free him. And she believes he's innocent.

    No sign of manipulation there.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    oftenreading said:

    "He's nothing like that. He doesn't tell people what to do. He's not manipulative at all."

    And yet, he has a young woman willing to dedicate her life to his cause, which of course includes trying to free him. And she believes he's innocent.

    No sign of manipulation there.

    You know... you've touched on something important here: he's still doing what he so masterfully did in the late 60s.

    A leopard can't change its spots.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    oftenreading said:

    "He's nothing like that. He doesn't tell people what to do. He's not manipulative at all."

    And yet, he has a young woman willing to dedicate her life to his cause, which of course includes trying to free him. And she believes he's innocent.

    No sign of manipulation there.

    You know... you've touched on something important here: he's still doing what he so masterfully did in the late 60s.

    A leopard can't change its spots.
    Why would he want to? It works well for him.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,168
    Charles Manson illustrates perfectly why I am pro death penalty.

    This girl is truly and without question an idiot.
    ___________________________________________

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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Ok, I'm here. Where is badbrains? =))

    Charlie is looking a little bit like Fidel Castro
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Still not in favour of the death penalty, myself. I'm not going to allow my government to bring me down to the level of these killers.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,024
    I hope they start doing some recordings together. Maybe start with a cover of Dylan's "Idiot Wind" and the Pistol, "Vacant". Hey, just trying to be helpful! :-D

    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    this just proves that there is someone for everyone. fortunately or unfortunately, i have not found my way into the marriage trap.

    as far as this gal goes, i tend to leave my opinion up to carlin...

    "i wouldn't f@@k her with a stolen d@ck!!"
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • whispering handswhispering hands Posts: 13,527
    Poor girl, so stupid.. Sad, but her statements made me laugh.. She has not a clue..
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    The mother (who supports the relationship) might actually be a gold medal winning idiot herself.

    If my daughter said to me, "Dad. I've been seeing someone. He's 80 years old and he's a mass murderer serving life in prison. His name is Charles Manson and he's really, really nice!"

    ... I think I'd blow my top. Well, actually, I'd likely have to kick myself in the balls.

    The fact that the daughter was actually able to engage in a prison courtship without any timely parental intervention speaks volumes of the parenting skills of 'mom'.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Does Charlie have a Twitter account?

    Have they exchanged selfies?

    edit - there's a MansonDirect.com??

    Anyway, I predict many other additions to this thread.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    edited November 2014
    Perhaps they met on AshleyManson.com?

    For the discerning idiot, discrete encounters with mass murderers.
    Post edited by oftenreading on
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Confessions of a Raving, Unconfined Nut: Misadventures in the Counterculture.


    “We had been briefed for a few weeks prior to the actual raiding of Spahn Ranch. We had a sheaf of memos on Manson, that they had automatic weapons at the ranch, that citizens had complained about hearing machine-guns fired at night, that firemen from the local fire station had been accosted by armed members of Manson’s band and told to get out of the area, all sorts of complaints like this.

    “We had been advised to put anything relating to Manson on a memo submitted to the station, because they were supposedly gathering information for the raid we were going to make. Deputies at the station of course started asking, ‘Why aren’t we going to make the raid sooner?’ I mean, Manson’s a parole violator, machine-guns have been heard, we know there’s narcotics and we know there’s booze. He’s living at the Spahn Ranch with a bunch of minor girls in complete violation of his parole.

    “Deputies at the station quite frankly became very annoyed that no action was being taken about Manson. My contention is this–the reason Manson was left on the street was because our department thought that he was going to attack the Black Panthers. We were getting intelligence briefings that Manson was anti-black and he had supposedly killed a Black Panther, the body of which could not be found, and the department thought that he was going to launch an attack on the Black Panthers.

    “Manson was a very ready tool, apparently, because he did have some racial hatred and he wanted to vent it. But they hadn’t anticipated him attacking someone other than the Panthers, which he did. Manson changed his score. Changed the program at the last moment and attacked the Tates and then went over to the LaBiancas and killed them. And here was the Sheriff’s Department suddenly wondering, ‘Jesus Christ, what are we gonna do about this? We can’t cover this up. Well, maybe we can.’

    “I bet those memos are no longer in existence. The memos about what Manson was doing. Citizens’ complaints. All those things I’m sure have disappeared by now. It shows the police were conscious of the fact that he had these weapons in violation of his parole. You’ve got at least involvement here on the part of Manson’s parole officer, on the part of the Sheriff’s Department, probably the sheriff himself, and whoever gave him his orders. Manson should have been [imprisoned] long before the killings, because he was on parole, period. He was living at the Spahn Ranch with an outlaw motorcycle gang. I feel that, to say the least, the sheriff of Los Angeles County is an accessory to murder.

    “The raid was a week after the Sharon Tate thing, and the intelligence information was coming in for about three weeks prior to the raid. They just didn’t want any arrests made. It was obvious they wanted the intelligence information we were gathering for some other reason. Three days after they were arrested, 72 hours later, they were all released–lack of evidence–after this mammoth raid. This raid involved two helicopters, 102 deputies and about 25 radio cars, and all the charges were dropped against everyone.

    “It appeared to me that the raid was more or less staged as an afterthought. It was like a scenario that we were going through. There was some kind of a grand plan that we were participating in, but I never had the feeling the raid was necessary or that it required so many personnel. Now, if you were a police official and you were planning a raid on the Spahn Ranch, utilizing 102 deputies and helicopters and all that, one would think that with all the information coming out a month prior to the raid, wouldn’t you have them under fairly close surveillance? If you did have them under fairly close surveillance, wouldn’t you see them leave the Spahn Ranch to go over and kill seven people and then come back?

    “So the hypothesis I put forward is, either we didn’t have them under surveillance for grand-theft-auto because it was a big farce, or else they were under surveillance by somebody much higher than the Sheriff’s Department, and they did go through this scenario of killing at the Tate house and then come back, and then we went through the motions to do our raid. Either they were under surveillance at the time, which means somebody must have seen them go to the Tate house and commit the killings, or else they weren’t under surveillance.

    “You have to remember that Charlie was on federal parole all this time from ’67 to ’69. Do you realize all the shit he was getting away with while he was on parole? Now here’s the kicker. Before the Tate killings, he had been arrested at Malibu twice for statutory rape. Never got [imprisoned for parole violation]. During the Tate killings and the Spahn Ranch raid, Manson’s parole officer was on vacation, so he had no knowledge of Manson being incarcerated, so naturally Manson was released, but why wasn’t a parole hold put on him?

    “It’s like Manson had God on his side when all these things are going down, or else somebody was watching every move he made, somebody was controlling from behind the scenes. Somebody saw that no parole hold was placed. Manson liked to ball young girls, so he just did his thing and he was released and they didn’t put any hold on him. But somebody very high up was controlling everything that was going on and was seeing to it that we didn’t bust Manson.

    “Prior to the Spahn Ranch raid, there was a memo–it was verbal, I would have loved to Xerox some things but there wasn’t anything to Xerox–that we weren’t to arrest Manson or any of his followers prior to the raid. It was intimated to us that we were going to make a raid on the Spahn ranch, but the captain came out briefly and said, ‘No action is to be taken on anybody at the Spahn ranch. I want memos submitted directly to me with a cover sheet so nobody else can read them.’

    “So deputies were submitting memos on information about the Spahn Ranch that other deputies weren’t even allowed to see. We were to submit intelligence information but not to make any arrests. Manson was in a free fire zone, so to speak. He was living a divine existence. We couldn’t touch him….”
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I'm typically not naive, but have just come to the realization that there's this whole out-there yet not-often-discussed segment of the online world dedicated to following and/or loving on these irascible criminals.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,024
    hedonist said:

    I'm typically not naive, but have just come to the realization that there's this whole out-there yet not-often-discussed segment of the online world dedicated to following and/or loving on these irascible criminals.

    Lots of people love to eat this stuff up. Sensationalist true crime books sell very well. Personally, I get about two paragraphs into an article about someone like Manson and I'm done. I'd rather read about someone doing something worthwhile and inspiring.

    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    my favorite radio show, the jason ellis show, has two awesome comedy segments that they do every few weeks. they take really odd stories from the news and read newspaper articles about the stories and provide their opinions on the stories and people in the stories.

    one segment is called "you sir, are a moron." and the other is "women.......am i right???"

    i am not sure which one this story would fall under.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux said:

    hedonist said:

    I'm typically not naive, but have just come to the realization that there's this whole out-there yet not-often-discussed segment of the online world dedicated to following and/or loving on these irascible criminals.

    Lots of people love to eat this stuff up. Sensationalist true crime books sell very well. Personally, I get about two paragraphs into an article about someone like Manson and I'm done. I'd rather read about someone doing something worthwhile and inspiring.

    I find some of it fascinating, but only to the point of reading (and even that, not so much).

    The Stranger Beside Me, by Ann Rule, detailed Ted Bundy's crimes but also her relationship with him. The curious side of me was taken by his ability to appear upstanding and "normal" despite also being a truly heinous, violent man.

    gimme, I'm not sure either category would fit - the "women" one seems to allude to all women being the same. The former one I could see on an individual guy basis but as to Manson, I think he went around the bend awhile ago, so in good conscience I can't apply the moron term to him.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    In the DP thread... I detailed the case of David Shearing who killed a family of six that was camping at Wells Gray Park (near my city). He kept captive the two really young daughters for a few days while he did what he did with them before finishing them off.

    This foul individual should have been executed for his obscenity, but this has already been debated in the DP thread- some feel that this sick, pathetic loser deserves life. Both sides to this debate lose because it's not entirely inconceivable that Canada's tissue paper soft penal system will open the doors and...

    ... allow Shearing to start a new life with...

    Idiot Exhibit #2: his wife (the name has been withheld from the public).

    It's true. Some idiot married this grotesque human being.

    * It wasn't for his looks (he's no Robert Redford to put it nicely) and it wasn't for his intelligence (he's no Einstein either). I'm thinking it's just sheer idiocy of the highest order that led some troll to think she wanted to marry this guy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Gray_Provincial_Park_Family_Murders
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Last-12-Exit said:

    Ok, I'm here. Where is badbrains? =))

    Charlie is looking a little bit like Fidel Castro

    Fuck Charlie! Fuck his dumb shit for brains gf/wife/groupie/fucktard! Oh and fuck that dude that went ape shit on that family of 6 thirty was talking about. Pretty much fuck the world!
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    On a lighter note... here's a dual-idiot sighting:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VISEvr3c0wg
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    In the DP thread... I detailed the case of David Shearing who killed a family of six that was camping at Wells Gray Park (near my city). He kept captive the two really young daughters for a few days while he did what he did with them before finishing them off.

    This foul individual should have been executed for his obscenity, but this has already been debated in the DP thread- some feel that this sick, pathetic loser deserves life. Both sides to this debate lose because it's not entirely inconceivable that Canada's tissue paper soft penal system will open the doors and...

    ... allow Shearing to start a new life with...

    Idiot Exhibit #2: his wife (the name has been withheld from the public).

    It's true. Some idiot married this grotesque human being.

    * It wasn't for his looks (he's no Robert Redford to put it nicely) and it wasn't for his intelligence (he's no Einstein either). I'm thinking it's just sheer idiocy of the highest order that led some troll to think she wanted to marry this guy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Gray_Provincial_Park_Family_Murders

    Yes, Canada's incompetent police officers investigated, caught, and prosecuted this guy, our soft-on-crime judiciary convicted and sentenced him, and our tissue paper penal system has kept him in jail for more then 30 years. Surely an example of a miscarriage of justice.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    On a lighter note... here's a dual-idiot sighting:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VISEvr3c0wg

    The only thing that would have made that video better is if the raiders didn't get the time out, the chiefs had the free play and launched one to the end zone for the win. Boneheads!
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    oftenreading said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    In the DP thread... I detailed the case of David Shearing who killed a family of six that was camping at Wells Gray Park (near my city). He kept captive the two really young daughters for a few days while he did what he did with them before finishing them off.

    This foul individual should have been executed for his obscenity, but this has already been debated in the DP thread- some feel that this sick, pathetic loser deserves life. Both sides to this debate lose because it's not entirely inconceivable that Canada's tissue paper soft penal system will open the doors and...

    ... allow Shearing to start a new life with...

    Idiot Exhibit #2: his wife (the name has been withheld from the public).

    It's true. Some idiot married this grotesque human being.

    * It wasn't for his looks (he's no Robert Redford to put it nicely) and it wasn't for his intelligence (he's no Einstein either). I'm thinking it's just sheer idiocy of the highest order that led some troll to think she wanted to marry this guy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Gray_Provincial_Park_Family_Murders

    Yes, Canada's incompetent police officers investigated, caught, and prosecuted this guy, our soft-on-crime judiciary convicted and sentenced him, and our tissue paper penal system has kept him in jail for more then 30 years. Surely an example of a miscarriage of justice.
    He's up for parole every two years with he and his advocates encouraging it. He's found religion and a wife- don't be surprised when he's released.

    The remaining family members are forced to show up with their petitions and voice their displeasure- forced to relive the event.

    Justice would have been a rope. Not conjugal visits, warm meals, internet access, clean clothes, and hope.

    I heard your perspective. You've heard mine. We'll leave it at that.

    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Last-12-Exit said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    On a lighter note... here's a dual-idiot sighting:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VISEvr3c0wg

    The only thing that would have made that video better is if the raiders didn't get the time out, the chiefs had the free play and launched one to the end zone for the win. Boneheads!
    I was hoping so badly for this when it happened!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    oftenreading said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    In the DP thread... I detailed the case of David Shearing who killed a family of six that was camping at Wells Gray Park (near my city). He kept captive the two really young daughters for a few days while he did what he did with them before finishing them off.

    This foul individual should have been executed for his obscenity, but this has already been debated in the DP thread- some feel that this sick, pathetic loser deserves life. Both sides to this debate lose because it's not entirely inconceivable that Canada's tissue paper soft penal system will open the doors and...

    ... allow Shearing to start a new life with...

    Idiot Exhibit #2: his wife (the name has been withheld from the public).

    It's true. Some idiot married this grotesque human being.

    * It wasn't for his looks (he's no Robert Redford to put it nicely) and it wasn't for his intelligence (he's no Einstein either). I'm thinking it's just sheer idiocy of the highest order that led some troll to think she wanted to marry this guy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Gray_Provincial_Park_Family_Murders

    Yes, Canada's incompetent police officers investigated, caught, and prosecuted this guy, our soft-on-crime judiciary convicted and sentenced him, and our tissue paper penal system has kept him in jail for more then 30 years. Surely an example of a miscarriage of justice.
    You never responded to my initial response to this rather cheeky post... so here's another very recent example of Canada's tissue soft stance on crime and punishment:

    An idiot shot and critically wounded a cop in our city three nights ago. The suspect Knutson has an extensive criminal past, including a lifetime firearms ban and a second-degree murder charge. The second-degree murder charge was in 2002, in connection to the death of 21-year-old Christopher Lesniak in Coquitlam.

    However, the charge was later downgraded to manslaughter after Knutson pleaded guilty to criminal negligence causing death.

    In 2009, he was convicted of three firearms charges after being found by Surrey RCMP wearing body armour and carrying a number of restricted firearms and marijuana    .

    So... the guy murders someone and serves what appears to be a whopping 5-7 years... has various other criminal convictions to his record... gets arrested for carrying restricted firearms, body armour and pot after his massive sentence... and... what happened here? Did they make him say sorry? Five years after this incident... he shoots a cop.

    If people want to be criminals, but don't really wish to be disciplined for being criminals... they should come to Canada. We think criminals rock! Well... let me rephrase: our policy makers think criminals rock.

    http://globalnews.ca/news/1709120/suspect-in-shooting-of-kamloops-rcmp-officer-identified/
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    idiot local news outlets regurgitating cop stories without fact checking

    http://www.cjr.org/united_states_project/westword_drug_bust_informant_expose_trinidad_colorado.php

    Last week, in a fantastic cover story for the Denver-based alt-weekly Westword, reporter Alan Prendergast chronicled some police work in a small southern Colorado town that was so magnificently incompetent, so recklessly negligent, it makes the Keystone Cops look like Seal Team Six.
    But, as Prendergast reports, the case against many of these alleged bad apples soon began to fall apart. In fact, he writes, “two of the accused had the perfect alibi: They were in jail at the time they were supposedly selling drugs on the streets of Trinidad to the police’s informant.”
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    ... it makes the Keystone Cops look like Seal Team Six.

    Absolutely wonderful line!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    great thread to read through this fine morning. thanks
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    thirty bills,
    canada sure is a beautiful place though. (well, i only been to british columbia & the yukon)
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Mark Walhberg should be on the list.

    In 1988 he beat two Asian elderly men with a stick while yelling racial slurs at them. One lost eyesight in an eye and he did 45 days in the pokey. That's idiot point #1.

    Today he asks for a formal pardon of an incident that maybe 1% of the population was aware of. Now anyone who surfs the internet now knows of what he has done. Why would he bring this back into the public spotlight? That's idiot point #2.
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